Why is Nesmith glued to the bench?

[slamtheking]

Why is Nesmith glued to the bench?

Because the pressure is on and we're limited in the players we can trust and stevens is going to go with guys he knows what he's going to get out of them.


Which goes back to the fact that we should not have been drafting players the past couple seasons.

 Danny strayed from the plan, probably overplayed his hand by wanting way too much in return and now we're sunk because this specific reason.

Is it a fireable offense? I don't know, but I just can't believe he'd be so stupid after all that work in acquiring all those assets, even going so far as to refer to all those draft picks as assets and not pull the trigger???

I don't know if he needs to be fired but he needs to go sit in a corner for a day or two and think about what he's done... Maybe go to bed with no supper.

A great woman once said - "sometimes when you lose you actually win".

It takes two to make a trade. It sometimes takes three in sign and trades when you include the player has the power in those types of trades.

No one traded out of the top 15 picks last year. So there was no consolidation trade to get a higher pick. That seems to be a common critique of Ainge, why he didn't consolidate picks to get higher picks, but those types of trades do not happen very often as teams would rather have one top 10 pick than 3 picks from 14 and lower

The same thing happened the year he grabbed Yabusele and Zizic. Danny didn't want those picks but couldn't find takers and had a roster crunch due to the number of guaranteed contracts on the team.

I have no problem being critical of picks and trades Danny does make, but it's hard to criticize trades he didn't make as we are clueless if:

A.) They were even available to make

Prime example: the 2020 draft consolidation trade to move up from #14. No one trade down in the top 15. The trade most likely simply was not there.

B.) We don't know if they will even work.

Prime examples of B: Hayward was that offseason's best free agent and Danny landed him. Great signing. 5 minutes into the first season with Hayward, he snaps his leg and suddenly that signing looks terrible given the team lost prime Gordo for 2 years.

Another. Danny pulls off the trade for Kyrie. Trade looks brilliant, especially that first year. Then Kyrie returned to being head case Kyrie and then 2018-19 happens, Kyrie leaves in free agency and the trade looks terrible.

Ok I think you're missing the point.

We should not have been participating in the past 2 drafts. Weather it was moving up or not. We should not be concerning ourselves with so and so panning out - we're past that point.

If that meant at worst rolling the picks over every yr. then so be it.

This started when we didn't move rozier at the deadline. We should have been looking to move him and any number of picks for either veterans or 2030 draft picks.

The very last thing we should be doing at this point is drafting guys to play them.

Danny painted us into a corner and now the only option is to rely on the draft and the players we pick.

Bad, bad, bad roster and asset management.

to be clear, you're a fan of that trade of the pick that ended up being Bane this year?  that's an example of what you're advocating.  I think you'd be in the minority if you think that was what Danny should have done.

[GreenWarrior]

Why is Nesmith glued to the bench?

Because the pressure is on and we're limited in the players we can trust and stevens is going to go with guys he knows what he's going to get out of them.


Which goes back to the fact that we should not have been drafting players the past couple seasons.

 Danny strayed from the plan, probably overplayed his hand by wanting way too much in return and now we're sunk because this specific reason.

Is it a fireable offense? I don't know, but I just can't believe he'd be so stupid after all that work in acquiring all those assets, even going so far as to refer to all those draft picks as assets and not pull the trigger???

I don't know if he needs to be fired but he needs to go sit in a corner for a day or two and think about what he's done... Maybe go to bed with no supper.

A great woman once said - "sometimes when you lose you actually win".

It takes two to make a trade. It sometimes takes three in sign and trades when you include the player has the power in those types of trades.

No one traded out of the top 15 picks last year. So there was no consolidation trade to get a higher pick. That seems to be a common critique of Ainge, why he didn't consolidate picks to get higher picks, but those types of trades do not happen very often as teams would rather have one top 10 pick than 3 picks from 14 and lower

The same thing happened the year he grabbed Yabusele and Zizic. Danny didn't want those picks but couldn't find takers and had a roster crunch due to the number of guaranteed contracts on the team.

I have no problem being critical of picks and trades Danny does make, but it's hard to criticize trades he didn't make as we are clueless if:

A.) They were even available to make

Prime example: the 2020 draft consolidation trade to move up from #14. No one trade down in the top 15. The trade most likely simply was not there.

B.) We don't know if they will even work.

Prime examples of B: Hayward was that offseason's best free agent and Danny landed him. Great signing. 5 minutes into the first season with Hayward, he snaps his leg and suddenly that signing looks terrible given the team lost prime Gordo for 2 years.

Another. Danny pulls off the trade for Kyrie. Trade looks brilliant, especially that first year. Then Kyrie returned to being head case Kyrie and then 2018-19 happens, Kyrie leaves in free agency and the trade looks terrible.

Ok I think you're missing the point.

We should not have been participating in the past 2 drafts. Weather it was moving up or not. We should not be concerning ourselves with so and so panning out - we're past that point.

If that meant at worst rolling the picks over every yr. then so be it.

This started when we didn't move rozier at the deadline. We should have been looking to move him and any number of picks for either veterans or 2030 draft picks.

The very last thing we should be doing at this point is drafting guys to play them.

Danny painted us into a corner and now the only option is to rely on the draft and the players we pick.

Bad, bad, bad roster and asset management.

to be clear, you're a fan of that trade of the pick that ended up being Bane this year?  that's an example of what you're advocating.  I think you'd be in the minority if you think that was what Danny should have done.

No crap I'm in the minority!

And no matter how much you guys want to bicker about "could've, should've taken this guy" keep in mind that was not the plan!

Danny never intended to use these picks that you guys are obsessed with. He referred to all those draft picks as assets.

So yeah it would've been me and danny sitting here worrying about weather we could get the 1 or 2 spot in the east with the veteran role players we acquired through all those assets.

 Instead we're sitting here wondering if we're even going to make the playoffs because we don't know what we got surrounding brown and tatum.

All because Danny didn't stick to the plan!

[nickagneta]

Why is Nesmith glued to the bench?

Because the pressure is on and we're limited in the players we can trust and stevens is going to go with guys he knows what he's going to get out of them.


Which goes back to the fact that we should not have been drafting players the past couple seasons.

 Danny strayed from the plan, probably overplayed his hand by wanting way too much in return and now we're sunk because this specific reason.

Is it a fireable offense? I don't know, but I just can't believe he'd be so stupid after all that work in acquiring all those assets, even going so far as to refer to all those draft picks as assets and not pull the trigger???

I don't know if he needs to be fired but he needs to go sit in a corner for a day or two and think about what he's done... Maybe go to bed with no supper.

A great woman once said - "sometimes when you lose you actually win".

It takes two to make a trade. It sometimes takes three in sign and trades when you include the player has the power in those types of trades.

No one traded out of the top 15 picks last year. So there was no consolidation trade to get a higher pick. That seems to be a common critique of Ainge, why he didn't consolidate picks to get higher picks, but those types of trades do not happen very often as teams would rather have one top 10 pick than 3 picks from 14 and lower

The same thing happened the year he grabbed Yabusele and Zizic. Danny didn't want those picks but couldn't find takers and had a roster crunch due to the number of guaranteed contracts on the team.

I have no problem being critical of picks and trades Danny does make, but it's hard to criticize trades he didn't make as we are clueless if:

A.) They were even available to make

Prime example: the 2020 draft consolidation trade to move up from #14. No one trade down in the top 15. The trade most likely simply was not there.

B.) We don't know if they will even work.

Prime examples of B: Hayward was that offseason's best free agent and Danny landed him. Great signing. 5 minutes into the first season with Hayward, he snaps his leg and suddenly that signing looks terrible given the team lost prime Gordo for 2 years.

Another. Danny pulls off the trade for Kyrie. Trade looks brilliant, especially that first year. Then Kyrie returned to being head case Kyrie and then 2018-19 happens, Kyrie leaves in free agency and the trade looks terrible.

Ok I think you're missing the point.

We should not have been participating in the past 2 drafts. Weather it was moving up or not. We should not be concerning ourselves with so and so panning out - we're past that point.

If that meant at worst rolling the picks over every yr. then so be it.

This started when we didn't move rozier at the deadline. We should have been looking to move him and any number of picks for either veterans or 2030 draft picks.

The very last thing we should be doing at this point is drafting guys to play them.

Danny painted us into a corner and now the only option is to rely on the draft and the players we pick.

Bad, bad, bad roster and asset management.

to be clear, you're a fan of that trade of the pick that ended up being Bane this year?  that's an example of what you're advocating.  I think you'd be in the minority if you think that was what Danny should have done.

No crap I'm in the minority!

And no matter how much you guys want to bicker about "could've, should've taken this guy" keep in mind that was not the plan!

Danny never intended to use these picks that you guys are obsessed with. He referred to all those draft picks as assets.

So yeah it would've been me and danny sitting here worrying about weather we could get the 1 or 2 spot in the east with the veteran role players we acquired through all those assets.

 Instead we're sitting here wondering if we're even going to make the playoffs because we don't know what we got surrounding brown and tatum.

All because Danny didn't stick to the plan!

The plan is yours, not Ainge's.

All players and picks are assets. Saying picks are assets does not mean Danny planned to trade them all away.

[tstorey_97]

Look at the upside, Nesmith had a good run there for a rookie. Stevens gave him time to work on his NBA game and he looked great on defense. As you know, Stevens doesn't really play rookies except for some defense. Brown Tatum, Walker and Smart injuries gave him a chance and he was rookie Avery Bradley defense 2.0 which is really good.

Nesmith played 18 college games, thus, he waits.

The rotation for the last 5 or 6 games has been...

Tatum or Brown with

Robert
Pritchard
Semi
Teague

Stevens is trying to keep Brown and Walker at 32 minutes

Semi is scarily consistent. He doesn't make mistakes at either end and gets a point or two. He has good lateral quickness and has respect from opponents when he is on defense. He has played in countless big games and also, at the end of close games.

Once Nesmith starts to get minutes, whenever that may be, he will assuredly win a spot in the rotation spelling Tatum and Brown as he has a great three point shot.

Look at Robert, in two years he played 61 games at Texas A&M and he got very little play in Boston until late season last year.

[GreenWarrior]

Why is Nesmith glued to the bench?

Because the pressure is on and we're limited in the players we can trust and stevens is going to go with guys he knows what he's going to get out of them.


Which goes back to the fact that we should not have been drafting players the past couple seasons.

 Danny strayed from the plan, probably overplayed his hand by wanting way too much in return and now we're sunk because this specific reason.

Is it a fireable offense? I don't know, but I just can't believe he'd be so stupid after all that work in acquiring all those assets, even going so far as to refer to all those draft picks as assets and not pull the trigger???

I don't know if he needs to be fired but he needs to go sit in a corner for a day or two and think about what he's done... Maybe go to bed with no supper.

A great woman once said - "sometimes when you lose you actually win".

It takes two to make a trade. It sometimes takes three in sign and trades when you include the player has the power in those types of trades.

No one traded out of the top 15 picks last year. So there was no consolidation trade to get a higher pick. That seems to be a common critique of Ainge, why he didn't consolidate picks to get higher picks, but those types of trades do not happen very often as teams would rather have one top 10 pick than 3 picks from 14 and lower

The same thing happened the year he grabbed Yabusele and Zizic. Danny didn't want those picks but couldn't find takers and had a roster crunch due to the number of guaranteed contracts on the team.

I have no problem being critical of picks and trades Danny does make, but it's hard to criticize trades he didn't make as we are clueless if:

A.) They were even available to make

Prime example: the 2020 draft consolidation trade to move up from #14. No one trade down in the top 15. The trade most likely simply was not there.

B.) We don't know if they will even work.

Prime examples of B: Hayward was that offseason's best free agent and Danny landed him. Great signing. 5 minutes into the first season with Hayward, he snaps his leg and suddenly that signing looks terrible given the team lost prime Gordo for 2 years.

Another. Danny pulls off the trade for Kyrie. Trade looks brilliant, especially that first year. Then Kyrie returned to being head case Kyrie and then 2018-19 happens, Kyrie leaves in free agency and the trade looks terrible.

Ok I think you're missing the point.

We should not have been participating in the past 2 drafts. Weather it was moving up or not. We should not be concerning ourselves with so and so panning out - we're past that point.

If that meant at worst rolling the picks over every yr. then so be it.

This started when we didn't move rozier at the deadline. We should have been looking to move him and any number of picks for either veterans or 2030 draft picks.

The very last thing we should be doing at this point is drafting guys to play them.

Danny painted us into a corner and now the only option is to rely on the draft and the players we pick.

Bad, bad, bad roster and asset management.

to be clear, you're a fan of that trade of the pick that ended up being Bane this year?  that's an example of what you're advocating.  I think you'd be in the minority if you think that was what Danny should have done.

Also yup!

(Can't even believe I have to explain this, but) plain n simple hindsight is 20/20.

If you go into a draft with high expectations of anyone out of the top 2 picks you're setting yourself up for failure.

No one saw giannis being the player he is, if they had he would have went 1 overall. But if you're banking on finding that in every draft that's a hard way to live.

[GreenWarrior]

Why is Nesmith glued to the bench?

Because the pressure is on and we're limited in the players we can trust and stevens is going to go with guys he knows what he's going to get out of them.


Which goes back to the fact that we should not have been drafting players the past couple seasons.

 Danny strayed from the plan, probably overplayed his hand by wanting way too much in return and now we're sunk because this specific reason.

Is it a fireable offense? I don't know, but I just can't believe he'd be so stupid after all that work in acquiring all those assets, even going so far as to refer to all those draft picks as assets and not pull the trigger???

I don't know if he needs to be fired but he needs to go sit in a corner for a day or two and think about what he's done... Maybe go to bed with no supper.

A great woman once said - "sometimes when you lose you actually win".

It takes two to make a trade. It sometimes takes three in sign and trades when you include the player has the power in those types of trades.

No one traded out of the top 15 picks last year. So there was no consolidation trade to get a higher pick. That seems to be a common critique of Ainge, why he didn't consolidate picks to get higher picks, but those types of trades do not happen very often as teams would rather have one top 10 pick than 3 picks from 14 and lower

The same thing happened the year he grabbed Yabusele and Zizic. Danny didn't want those picks but couldn't find takers and had a roster crunch due to the number of guaranteed contracts on the team.

I have no problem being critical of picks and trades Danny does make, but it's hard to criticize trades he didn't make as we are clueless if:

A.) They were even available to make

Prime example: the 2020 draft consolidation trade to move up from #14. No one trade down in the top 15. The trade most likely simply was not there.

B.) We don't know if they will even work.

Prime examples of B: Hayward was that offseason's best free agent and Danny landed him. Great signing. 5 minutes into the first season with Hayward, he snaps his leg and suddenly that signing looks terrible given the team lost prime Gordo for 2 years.

Another. Danny pulls off the trade for Kyrie. Trade looks brilliant, especially that first year. Then Kyrie returned to being head case Kyrie and then 2018-19 happens, Kyrie leaves in free agency and the trade looks terrible.

Ok I think you're missing the point.

We should not have been participating in the past 2 drafts. Weather it was moving up or not. We should not be concerning ourselves with so and so panning out - we're past that point.

If that meant at worst rolling the picks over every yr. then so be it.

This started when we didn't move rozier at the deadline. We should have been looking to move him and any number of picks for either veterans or 2030 draft picks.

The very last thing we should be doing at this point is drafting guys to play them.

Danny painted us into a corner and now the only option is to rely on the draft and the players we pick.

Bad, bad, bad roster and asset management.

to be clear, you're a fan of that trade of the pick that ended up being Bane this year?  that's an example of what you're advocating.  I think you'd be in the minority if you think that was what Danny should have done.

No crap I'm in the minority!

And no matter how much you guys want to bicker about "could've, should've taken this guy" keep in mind that was not the plan!

Danny never intended to use these picks that you guys are obsessed with. He referred to all those draft picks as assets.

So yeah it would've been me and danny sitting here worrying about weather we could get the 1 or 2 spot in the east with the veteran role players we acquired through all those assets.

 Instead we're sitting here wondering if we're even going to make the playoffs because we don't know what we got surrounding brown and tatum.

All because Danny didn't stick to the plan!

The plan is yours, not Ainge's.

All players and picks are assets. Saying picks are assets does not mean Danny planned to trade them all away.

Lol, ok...

as·set
/ˈaset/
noun
property owned by a person or company, regarded as having value and available to meet debts, commitments, or legacies.


What more do you need? I can't understand it for you.

[nickagneta]

Why is Nesmith glued to the bench?

Because the pressure is on and we're limited in the players we can trust and stevens is going to go with guys he knows what he's going to get out of them.


Which goes back to the fact that we should not have been drafting players the past couple seasons.

 Danny strayed from the plan, probably overplayed his hand by wanting way too much in return and now we're sunk because this specific reason.

Is it a fireable offense? I don't know, but I just can't believe he'd be so stupid after all that work in acquiring all those assets, even going so far as to refer to all those draft picks as assets and not pull the trigger???

I don't know if he needs to be fired but he needs to go sit in a corner for a day or two and think about what he's done... Maybe go to bed with no supper.

A great woman once said - "sometimes when you lose you actually win".

It takes two to make a trade. It sometimes takes three in sign and trades when you include the player has the power in those types of trades.

No one traded out of the top 15 picks last year. So there was no consolidation trade to get a higher pick. That seems to be a common critique of Ainge, why he didn't consolidate picks to get higher picks, but those types of trades do not happen very often as teams would rather have one top 10 pick than 3 picks from 14 and lower

The same thing happened the year he grabbed Yabusele and Zizic. Danny didn't want those picks but couldn't find takers and had a roster crunch due to the number of guaranteed contracts on the team.

I have no problem being critical of picks and trades Danny does make, but it's hard to criticize trades he didn't make as we are clueless if:

A.) They were even available to make

Prime example: the 2020 draft consolidation trade to move up from #14. No one trade down in the top 15. The trade most likely simply was not there.

B.) We don't know if they will even work.

Prime examples of B: Hayward was that offseason's best free agent and Danny landed him. Great signing. 5 minutes into the first season with Hayward, he snaps his leg and suddenly that signing looks terrible given the team lost prime Gordo for 2 years.

Another. Danny pulls off the trade for Kyrie. Trade looks brilliant, especially that first year. Then Kyrie returned to being head case Kyrie and then 2018-19 happens, Kyrie leaves in free agency and the trade looks terrible.

Ok I think you're missing the point.

We should not have been participating in the past 2 drafts. Weather it was moving up or not. We should not be concerning ourselves with so and so panning out - we're past that point.

If that meant at worst rolling the picks over every yr. then so be it.

This started when we didn't move rozier at the deadline. We should have been looking to move him and any number of picks for either veterans or 2030 draft picks.

The very last thing we should be doing at this point is drafting guys to play them.

Danny painted us into a corner and now the only option is to rely on the draft and the players we pick.

Bad, bad, bad roster and asset management.

to be clear, you're a fan of that trade of the pick that ended up being Bane this year?  that's an example of what you're advocating.  I think you'd be in the minority if you think that was what Danny should have done.

No crap I'm in the minority!

And no matter how much you guys want to bicker about "could've, should've taken this guy" keep in mind that was not the plan!

Danny never intended to use these picks that you guys are obsessed with. He referred to all those draft picks as assets.

So yeah it would've been me and danny sitting here worrying about weather we could get the 1 or 2 spot in the east with the veteran role players we acquired through all those assets.

 Instead we're sitting here wondering if we're even going to make the playoffs because we don't know what we got surrounding brown and tatum.

All because Danny didn't stick to the plan!

The plan is yours, not Ainge's.

All players and picks are assets. Saying picks are assets does not mean Danny planned to trade them all away.

Lol, ok...

as·set
/ˈaset/
noun
property owned by a person or company, regarded as having value and available to meet debts, commitments, or legacies.


What more do you need? I can't understand it for you.

My understanding is quite fine. Perhaps you should re-read that definition.

Players are assets. Player contracts are assets. Draft picks are assets. TPEs are assets. All those things can be used to build the equity in the team through higher performance of the team as a whole. So you can keep them, use them, or trade them.

As I said, your plan was for Danny to do exactly what you wanted him to do. That wasn't necessarily Danny's plan.

[cltc5]

Look at the upside, Nesmith had a good run there for a rookie. Stevens gave him time to work on his NBA game and he looked great on defense. As you know, Stevens doesn't really play rookies except for some defense. Brown Tatum, Walker and Smart injuries gave him a chance and he was rookie Avery Bradley defense 2.0 which is really good.

Nesmith played 18 college games, thus, he waits.

The rotation for the last 5 or 6 games has been...

Tatum or Brown with

Robert
Pritchard
Semi
Teague

Stevens is trying to keep Brown and Walker at 32 minutes

Semi is scarily consistent. He doesn't make mistakes at either end and gets a point or two. He has good lateral quickness and has respect from opponents when he is on defense. He has played in countless big games and also, at the end of close games.

Once Nesmith starts to get minutes, whenever that may be, he will assuredly win a spot in the rotation spelling Tatum and Brown as he has a great three point shot.

Look at Robert, in two years he played 61 games at Texas A&M and he got very little play in Boston until late season last year.

Perhaps the hinderence of this team is that brad doesn’t play the rookies.  Every year we practically have a new roster never fielding a consistent team as we wait for trader Dan to swing in and save the team with fireworks.  If you have all these guys use them if they’ve proven effective instead of clogging up the rosters with vets

[tonydelk]

I've been asking this question the last few games.  Semi and teague are getting run over him.  I was shocked Brad started Green over him.  I'm getting a little sick of not seeing Nesmith play versus the other guys.  Maybe Nesmith established decent trade value and the C's don't want to ruin it before the trade deadline in case they can get a good piece for him.

[GreenWarrior]

Why is Nesmith glued to the bench?

Because the pressure is on and we're limited in the players we can trust and stevens is going to go with guys he knows what he's going to get out of them.


Which goes back to the fact that we should not have been drafting players the past couple seasons.

 Danny strayed from the plan, probably overplayed his hand by wanting way too much in return and now we're sunk because this specific reason.

Is it a fireable offense? I don't know, but I just can't believe he'd be so stupid after all that work in acquiring all those assets, even going so far as to refer to all those draft picks as assets and not pull the trigger???

I don't know if he needs to be fired but he needs to go sit in a corner for a day or two and think about what he's done... Maybe go to bed with no supper.

A great woman once said - "sometimes when you lose you actually win".

It takes two to make a trade. It sometimes takes three in sign and trades when you include the player has the power in those types of trades.

No one traded out of the top 15 picks last year. So there was no consolidation trade to get a higher pick. That seems to be a common critique of Ainge, why he didn't consolidate picks to get higher picks, but those types of trades do not happen very often as teams would rather have one top 10 pick than 3 picks from 14 and lower

The same thing happened the year he grabbed Yabusele and Zizic. Danny didn't want those picks but couldn't find takers and had a roster crunch due to the number of guaranteed contracts on the team.

I have no problem being critical of picks and trades Danny does make, but it's hard to criticize trades he didn't make as we are clueless if:

A.) They were even available to make

Prime example: the 2020 draft consolidation trade to move up from #14. No one trade down in the top 15. The trade most likely simply was not there.

B.) We don't know if they will even work.

Prime examples of B: Hayward was that offseason's best free agent and Danny landed him. Great signing. 5 minutes into the first season with Hayward, he snaps his leg and suddenly that signing looks terrible given the team lost prime Gordo for 2 years.

Another. Danny pulls off the trade for Kyrie. Trade looks brilliant, especially that first year. Then Kyrie returned to being head case Kyrie and then 2018-19 happens, Kyrie leaves in free agency and the trade looks terrible.

Ok I think you're missing the point.

We should not have been participating in the past 2 drafts. Weather it was moving up or not. We should not be concerning ourselves with so and so panning out - we're past that point.

If that meant at worst rolling the picks over every yr. then so be it.

This started when we didn't move rozier at the deadline. We should have been looking to move him and any number of picks for either veterans or 2030 draft picks.

The very last thing we should be doing at this point is drafting guys to play them.

Danny painted us into a corner and now the only option is to rely on the draft and the players we pick.

Bad, bad, bad roster and asset management.

to be clear, you're a fan of that trade of the pick that ended up being Bane this year?  that's an example of what you're advocating.  I think you'd be in the minority if you think that was what Danny should have done.

No crap I'm in the minority!

And no matter how much you guys want to bicker about "could've, should've taken this guy" keep in mind that was not the plan!

Danny never intended to use these picks that you guys are obsessed with. He referred to all those draft picks as assets.

So yeah it would've been me and danny sitting here worrying about weather we could get the 1 or 2 spot in the east with the veteran role players we acquired through all those assets.

 Instead we're sitting here wondering if we're even going to make the playoffs because we don't know what we got surrounding brown and tatum.

All because Danny didn't stick to the plan!

The plan is yours, not Ainge's.

All players and picks are assets. Saying picks are assets does not mean Danny planned to trade them all away.

Lol, ok...

as·set
/ˈaset/
noun
property owned by a person or company, regarded as having value and available to meet debts, commitments, or legacies.


What more do you need? I can't understand it for you.

My understanding is quite fine. Perhaps you should re-read that definition.

Players are assets. Player contracts are assets. Draft picks are assets. TPEs are assets. All those things can be used to build the equity in the team through higher performance of the team as a whole. So you can keep them, use them, or trade them.

As I said, your plan was for Danny to do exactly what you wanted him to do. That wasn't necessarily Danny's plan.

No sorry danny and wyc both said they preferred not using all those draft picks to draft players.

98.5 on felger and mazz.

[Moranis]

Why is Nesmith glued to the bench?

Because the pressure is on and we're limited in the players we can trust and stevens is going to go with guys he knows what he's going to get out of them.


Which goes back to the fact that we should not have been drafting players the past couple seasons.

 Danny strayed from the plan, probably overplayed his hand by wanting way too much in return and now we're sunk because this specific reason.

Is it a fireable offense? I don't know, but I just can't believe he'd be so stupid after all that work in acquiring all those assets, even going so far as to refer to all those draft picks as assets and not pull the trigger???

I don't know if he needs to be fired but he needs to go sit in a corner for a day or two and think about what he's done... Maybe go to bed with no supper.

A great woman once said - "sometimes when you lose you actually win".

It takes two to make a trade. It sometimes takes three in sign and trades when you include the player has the power in those types of trades.

No one traded out of the top 15 picks last year. So there was no consolidation trade to get a higher pick. That seems to be a common critique of Ainge, why he didn't consolidate picks to get higher picks, but those types of trades do not happen very often as teams would rather have one top 10 pick than 3 picks from 14 and lower

The same thing happened the year he grabbed Yabusele and Zizic. Danny didn't want those picks but couldn't find takers and had a roster crunch due to the number of guaranteed contracts on the team.

I have no problem being critical of picks and trades Danny does make, but it's hard to criticize trades he didn't make as we are clueless if:

A.) They were even available to make

Prime example: the 2020 draft consolidation trade to move up from #14. No one trade down in the top 15. The trade most likely simply was not there.

B.) We don't know if they will even work.

Prime examples of B: Hayward was that offseason's best free agent and Danny landed him. Great signing. 5 minutes into the first season with Hayward, he snaps his leg and suddenly that signing looks terrible given the team lost prime Gordo for 2 years.

Another. Danny pulls off the trade for Kyrie. Trade looks brilliant, especially that first year. Then Kyrie returned to being head case Kyrie and then 2018-19 happens, Kyrie leaves in free agency and the trade looks terrible.

Ok I think you're missing the point.

We should not have been participating in the past 2 drafts. Weather it was moving up or not. We should not be concerning ourselves with so and so panning out - we're past that point.

If that meant at worst rolling the picks over every yr. then so be it.

This started when we didn't move rozier at the deadline. We should have been looking to move him and any number of picks for either veterans or 2030 draft picks.

The very last thing we should be doing at this point is drafting guys to play them.

Danny painted us into a corner and now the only option is to rely on the draft and the players we pick.

Bad, bad, bad roster and asset management.

to be clear, you're a fan of that trade of the pick that ended up being Bane this year?  that's an example of what you're advocating.  I think you'd be in the minority if you think that was what Danny should have done.

No crap I'm in the minority!

And no matter how much you guys want to bicker about "could've, should've taken this guy" keep in mind that was not the plan!

Danny never intended to use these picks that you guys are obsessed with. He referred to all those draft picks as assets.

So yeah it would've been me and danny sitting here worrying about weather we could get the 1 or 2 spot in the east with the veteran role players we acquired through all those assets.

 Instead we're sitting here wondering if we're even going to make the playoffs because we don't know what we got surrounding brown and tatum.

All because Danny didn't stick to the plan!

The plan is yours, not Ainge's.

All players and picks are assets. Saying picks are assets does not mean Danny planned to trade them all away.

Lol, ok...

as·set
/ˈaset/
noun
property owned by a person or company, regarded as having value and available to meet debts, commitments, or legacies.


What more do you need? I can't understand it for you.

My understanding is quite fine. Perhaps you should re-read that definition.

Players are assets. Player contracts are assets. Draft picks are assets. TPEs are assets. All those things can be used to build the equity in the team through higher performance of the team as a whole. So you can keep them, use them, or trade them.

As I said, your plan was for Danny to do exactly what you wanted him to do. That wasn't necessarily Danny's plan.

No GM in any sport refers to players on the team as assets when speaking about them, but they do refer to future picks as assets all the time.  So while you are correct that all players are in fact assets, a GM would never refer to an actual player as an asset because it is a terrible message to send and GM's tend not to send terrible messages to the the players, the fans, and everyone else associated with a team.

[Csfan1984]

I feel Teague and Semi are ahead of him in rotation. Currently I see things as starters then depth of players as ...

Walker, JB, JT, Theis, TT

6th Smart
7th TL
8th Pritchard (3rd guard)
9th Semi (main backup wing)
10th Teague  (4th guard)

If Teague and Semi are playing well we probably won't see any Nesmith or Langford. Once Smart is back there will be a lot more DNPs

I understand that Semi has the strength to cover power forwards, so either you play him or Grant Williams some minutes. I prefer Williams because I haven't given up on him evolving, but Semi is fully baked, and is never going to amount to much.

Playing Teague after it's clear that he's cooked makes no sense whatsoever.

It seems to me that it is critically important for the C's to push the development of Langford and Nesmith, even if it has some early costs. You can give Ainge and Stevens the benefit of the doubt on some of their decisions, but Teague, Javonte Green and Semi are not going to be the future, and they haven't separated themselves on the court at all.

Not playing Nesmith is hard to accept. They better not make the same mistake with Langford.

I'd like to see them keep playing young guys but the team's record probably hinders it.

[BitterJim]

Why is Nesmith glued to the bench?

Because the pressure is on and we're limited in the players we can trust and stevens is going to go with guys he knows what he's going to get out of them.


Which goes back to the fact that we should not have been drafting players the past couple seasons.

 Danny strayed from the plan, probably overplayed his hand by wanting way too much in return and now we're sunk because this specific reason.

Is it a fireable offense? I don't know, but I just can't believe he'd be so stupid after all that work in acquiring all those assets, even going so far as to refer to all those draft picks as assets and not pull the trigger???

I don't know if he needs to be fired but he needs to go sit in a corner for a day or two and think about what he's done... Maybe go to bed with no supper.

A great woman once said - "sometimes when you lose you actually win".

It takes two to make a trade. It sometimes takes three in sign and trades when you include the player has the power in those types of trades.

No one traded out of the top 15 picks last year. So there was no consolidation trade to get a higher pick. That seems to be a common critique of Ainge, why he didn't consolidate picks to get higher picks, but those types of trades do not happen very often as teams would rather have one top 10 pick than 3 picks from 14 and lower

The same thing happened the year he grabbed Yabusele and Zizic. Danny didn't want those picks but couldn't find takers and had a roster crunch due to the number of guaranteed contracts on the team.

I have no problem being critical of picks and trades Danny does make, but it's hard to criticize trades he didn't make as we are clueless if:

A.) They were even available to make

Prime example: the 2020 draft consolidation trade to move up from #14. No one trade down in the top 15. The trade most likely simply was not there.

B.) We don't know if they will even work.

Prime examples of B: Hayward was that offseason's best free agent and Danny landed him. Great signing. 5 minutes into the first season with Hayward, he snaps his leg and suddenly that signing looks terrible given the team lost prime Gordo for 2 years.

Another. Danny pulls off the trade for Kyrie. Trade looks brilliant, especially that first year. Then Kyrie returned to being head case Kyrie and then 2018-19 happens, Kyrie leaves in free agency and the trade looks terrible.

Ok I think you're missing the point.

We should not have been participating in the past 2 drafts. Weather it was moving up or not. We should not be concerning ourselves with so and so panning out - we're past that point.

If that meant at worst rolling the picks over every yr. then so be it.

This started when we didn't move rozier at the deadline. We should have been looking to move him and any number of picks for either veterans or 2030 draft picks.

The very last thing we should be doing at this point is drafting guys to play them.

Danny painted us into a corner and now the only option is to rely on the draft and the players we pick.

Bad, bad, bad roster and asset management.

to be clear, you're a fan of that trade of the pick that ended up being Bane this year?  that's an example of what you're advocating.  I think you'd be in the minority if you think that was what Danny should have done.

No crap I'm in the minority!

And no matter how much you guys want to bicker about "could've, should've taken this guy" keep in mind that was not the plan!

Danny never intended to use these picks that you guys are obsessed with. He referred to all those draft picks as assets.

So yeah it would've been me and danny sitting here worrying about weather we could get the 1 or 2 spot in the east with the veteran role players we acquired through all those assets.

 Instead we're sitting here wondering if we're even going to make the playoffs because we don't know what we got surrounding brown and tatum.

All because Danny didn't stick to the plan!

The plan is yours, not Ainge's.

All players and picks are assets. Saying picks are assets does not mean Danny planned to trade them all away.

Lol, ok...

as·set
/ˈaset/
noun
property owned by a person or company, regarded as having value and available to meet debts, commitments, or legacies.


What more do you need? I can't understand it for you.

My understanding is quite fine. Perhaps you should re-read that definition.

Players are assets. Player contracts are assets. Draft picks are assets. TPEs are assets. All those things can be used to build the equity in the team through higher performance of the team as a whole. So you can keep them, use them, or trade them.

As I said, your plan was for Danny to do exactly what you wanted him to do. That wasn't necessarily Danny's plan.

I don't know how anyone can look at the moves Danny has made since he came here and think that there is some massive, set plan that he has years in advance and rigidly sticks to. He rolls with the punches to get the team into (what he thinks is) the best possible situation.

The entire idea that Danny would be rigidly planning to trade the picks no matter what (rather than being prepared to keep or trade them based on what he can get in return), just doesn't line up with anything we've actually seen during his tenure.

[GreenWarrior]

Well hate to break it to you guys but danny did infact refer to the draft picks he acquired from the nets and grizzlies, etc. as assets.

Then wyc, said the plan was to get back in the playoffs mix asap and preferred not building through the draft completely.

Putting 2+2 together that told me they didn't plan on using all the draft picks and were planning to trade the picks, or maybe trade the players they drafted.

Maybe I just read more into that ...

[nickagneta]

Why is Nesmith glued to the bench?

Because the pressure is on and we're limited in the players we can trust and stevens is going to go with guys he knows what he's going to get out of them.


Which goes back to the fact that we should not have been drafting players the past couple seasons.

 Danny strayed from the plan, probably overplayed his hand by wanting way too much in return and now we're sunk because this specific reason.

Is it a fireable offense? I don't know, but I just can't believe he'd be so stupid after all that work in acquiring all those assets, even going so far as to refer to all those draft picks as assets and not pull the trigger???

I don't know if he needs to be fired but he needs to go sit in a corner for a day or two and think about what he's done... Maybe go to bed with no supper.

A great woman once said - "sometimes when you lose you actually win".

It takes two to make a trade. It sometimes takes three in sign and trades when you include the player has the power in those types of trades.

No one traded out of the top 15 picks last year. So there was no consolidation trade to get a higher pick. That seems to be a common critique of Ainge, why he didn't consolidate picks to get higher picks, but those types of trades do not happen very often as teams would rather have one top 10 pick than 3 picks from 14 and lower

The same thing happened the year he grabbed Yabusele and Zizic. Danny didn't want those picks but couldn't find takers and had a roster crunch due to the number of guaranteed contracts on the team.

I have no problem being critical of picks and trades Danny does make, but it's hard to criticize trades he didn't make as we are clueless if:

A.) They were even available to make

Prime example: the 2020 draft consolidation trade to move up from #14. No one trade down in the top 15. The trade most likely simply was not there.

B.) We don't know if they will even work.

Prime examples of B: Hayward was that offseason's best free agent and Danny landed him. Great signing. 5 minutes into the first season with Hayward, he snaps his leg and suddenly that signing looks terrible given the team lost prime Gordo for 2 years.

Another. Danny pulls off the trade for Kyrie. Trade looks brilliant, especially that first year. Then Kyrie returned to being head case Kyrie and then 2018-19 happens, Kyrie leaves in free agency and the trade looks terrible.

Ok I think you're missing the point.

We should not have been participating in the past 2 drafts. Weather it was moving up or not. We should not be concerning ourselves with so and so panning out - we're past that point.

If that meant at worst rolling the picks over every yr. then so be it.

This started when we didn't move rozier at the deadline. We should have been looking to move him and any number of picks for either veterans or 2030 draft picks.

The very last thing we should be doing at this point is drafting guys to play them.

Danny painted us into a corner and now the only option is to rely on the draft and the players we pick.

Bad, bad, bad roster and asset management.

to be clear, you're a fan of that trade of the pick that ended up being Bane this year?  that's an example of what you're advocating.  I think you'd be in the minority if you think that was what Danny should have done.

No crap I'm in the minority!

And no matter how much you guys want to bicker about "could've, should've taken this guy" keep in mind that was not the plan!

Danny never intended to use these picks that you guys are obsessed with. He referred to all those draft picks as assets.

So yeah it would've been me and danny sitting here worrying about weather we could get the 1 or 2 spot in the east with the veteran role players we acquired through all those assets.

 Instead we're sitting here wondering if we're even going to make the playoffs because we don't know what we got surrounding brown and tatum.

All because Danny didn't stick to the plan!

The plan is yours, not Ainge's.

All players and picks are assets. Saying picks are assets does not mean Danny planned to trade them all away.

Lol, ok...

as·set
/ˈaset/
noun
property owned by a person or company, regarded as having value and available to meet debts, commitments, or legacies.


What more do you need? I can't understand it for you.

My understanding is quite fine. Perhaps you should re-read that definition.

Players are assets. Player contracts are assets. Draft picks are assets. TPEs are assets. All those things can be used to build the equity in the team through higher performance of the team as a whole. So you can keep them, use them, or trade them.

As I said, your plan was for Danny to do exactly what you wanted him to do. That wasn't necessarily Danny's plan.

I don't know how anyone can look at the moves Danny has made since he came here and think that there is some massive, set plan that he has years in advance and rigidly sticks to. He rolls with the punches to get the team into (what he thinks is) the best possible situation.

The entire idea that Danny would be rigidly planning to trade the picks no matter what (rather than being prepared to keep or trade them based on what he can get in return), just doesn't line up with anything we've actually seen during his tenure.

TP. Spot on.