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Possibly The Only Potential Way to Dump Kemba’s Contract..,
« on: February 10, 2021, 11:19:29 PM »

Offline GreenlyGreeny

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Al’s averaging 13.7 PPG, 7.1 RPG, and 3.0 AST. We could use him in our front court and we’d only be saddled with the bad contract for one more year (and it’s not like we’ll have room to sign anybody this off-season, anyway). He’s 34 with this year and next left on his contract, so he’s cheaper than Kemba with a shorter contract (Al’s fourth year is a team option whereas Kemba is guaranteed the next two years). OKC may be willing to make the trade if they suspect Kemba will be back and tradeable this time next year (nobody’s going to give up a 1st for a 35 year old Horford next year, but it Kemba bounces back they may give up a 1st for a 31 year old Kemba, with Shai in the meantime back at the SG position).

Do you do the trade to rid ourselves of the Kemba contract? Why or why not?

And I don’t wanna hear “oh, you don’t leave Danny; he doesn’t forget.” We’ve not won a championship in 13 years, so frankly I’m sick of hearing Danny spoken about like he’s some maestro who always wins amazing trades and brings home titles (a title is singular). It’s clear that overpaying Horford would have done more good for us than bringing in Kemba. Let’s make this right now that the opportunity might be there.
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« Reply #1 on: February 11, 2021, 06:54:35 AM »

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If C's got a first back I'd say yes. The Potential for Kemba to be a 18pt 4ast PG is still there. Horford is mediocre.
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« Reply #2 on: February 11, 2021, 07:28:52 AM »

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How many Al Horford trade threads does it take to screw in a lightbulb?

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« Reply #3 on: February 11, 2021, 07:54:45 AM »

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No way.. Al ship has sailed..plus he left here on his own
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« Reply #4 on: February 11, 2021, 07:56:18 AM »

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I understand that premise of this trade with Horford and Walker as the Principals but I don't think OKC would do a trade where they ended up with more salary.  This could be adjusted to be Horford + Hill for Kemba and say Teague to make the salaries match better while not really changing the core of the trade.

This is an interesting idea in my mind.  Horford is a known quantity.  We can probably count on 13 pts and 7 rebs with decent team defense and some passing out of a big man.  That would help based on the fact that our current rotation of bigs is so mediocre.

With Walker, you can't be sure what you are trading away.  If it is "what you see now is what you get", this would be a good trade.  If Walker continues to get his game back and approaches being the player he was for most of last season, then you want to keep him.

I think the Celtics are going to keep him and I guess this is the right move.  To me though, this is a tough call for fans.  We just don't know enough about Kemba's knee.
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« Reply #5 on: February 11, 2021, 07:56:39 AM »

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I like Al, but with him instead of Kemba, we have zero chance of actually contending. I realize things are currently grim on the Kemba front, but I will take the potential of him getting back to or near his previous form over Al's definite low ceiling.

Both of their contracts end in two years. Yes, Al's 2nd year is more palatable, but it's not likely we would cut him and eat the $14.5M, so you would be paying him the $26.5M anyway.

Our best chance is trying to get Kemba right again. Unless an opportunity comes along for a younger, also overpaid player, I think we just have to stick it out with him.
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« Reply #6 on: February 11, 2021, 08:03:19 AM »

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So if at this point trading Kemba is called a "dump" should tell everyone this is not the time to trade him.   

Selling low. 
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« Reply #7 on: February 11, 2021, 08:03:52 AM »

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Sadly Al Horford may have more trade value. I think they would have to send out salary to make it work. We may have to add a pick.

Al and George Hill for Kemba and Teague. Add Javonte Green if necessary for salaries to work.

Al was 25/8/8 last night in almost beating Lakers. Still got game. Hill has thumb surgery. Don’t know how long he’s out.

Use Tristan and TPE as centerpiece to trade for Barnes.
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« Reply #8 on: February 11, 2021, 08:29:14 AM »

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Quote from: jambr380 on February 11, 2021, 07:56:39 AM
I like Al, but with him instead of Kemba, we have zero chance of actually contending. I realize things are currently grim on the Kemba front, but I will take the potential of him getting back to or near his previous form over Al's definite low ceiling.

Both of their contracts end in two years. Yes, Al's 2nd year is more palatable, but it's not likely we would cut him and eat the $14.5M, so you would be paying him the $26.5M anyway.

Our best chance is trying to get Kemba right again. Unless an opportunity comes along for a younger, also overpaid player, I think we just have to stick it out with him.

As of a week ago:
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  2 Feb 2021  Oklahoma City Thunder guard George Hill will miss at least four weeks after having a procedure on his right thumb, the team announced Tuesday.  Hill had a procedure to address a mallet finger injury at the Kerlen-Jobe Institute in Los Angeles and will be re-evaluated in four weeks.  He is averaging 11.8 points and 3.1 assists in 14 starts this season, shooting 50.8% from the field and 38.6% from 3-point range.

I think the above summary on Al vs. Kemba is exactly right.  With Al, you pretty much know what you will get but the ceiling is low.  With Kemba, it could be anything from returning to All Star form to having an issue with his knee and being shut down for the season.  I understand and am fine with the Celtics rolling with Kemba for this season.

I think the team with Al would be good though.  We would be "big by committee" where  Al, Tristan, and Daniel are a decent core rotation with some young guys on the bench for depth.  I think we have enough weapons overall to still be a good team.  Not a title contender, but probably we are not one right now anyway.  In either case, a nice TPE add could make a difference,
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« Reply #9 on: February 11, 2021, 09:04:10 AM »

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I think I like the premise, but I think I would try to make it a 3 team or immediately also trade for another Guard.  Someone like Beal.  This trade would require picks for sure(a lot of them) and maybe a filler contract to slightly modify salary structures.  This would give the C's a choice to use part of the TPE, but they would not have to.  I would think it would take 3-5 1's/swaps to entice Washington, but would make for a solid lineup I would think

Beal, smart,Brown, tatum, Horford

PP, waters, nessmith, GW, RW3

With 3 empty slots for buy outs/FA/small trades using TPE slots.
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« Reply #10 on: February 11, 2021, 09:28:36 AM »

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This idea that Kemba Walker can't be traded is just downright strange to me.  I mean do people not think the Clippers would trade off parts for him (Beverly, Williams, Morris works for example).  New Orleans seems like a good fit (Bledsoe and Redick for Walker makes sense).  I could totally see Utah doing a Conley for Walker swap if they didn't think they were going to keep Conley past this season same thing with Toronto and Lowry. There are a bunch of other teams that could absolutely use Kemba and would acquire him without giving it much thought.  Obviously the package back and out would change based on team, but Walker absolutely can be moved and I don't think it would be all that difficult either if Boston wasn't super interested in the return.
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« Reply #11 on: February 11, 2021, 09:34:25 AM »

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Quote from: Moranis on February 11, 2021, 09:28:36 AM
This idea that Kemba Walker can't be traded is just downright strange to me.

Of course Kemba could be traded.

He's just not going to be traded to OKC for Al Horford. And there's about 3-4 threads where this is being needlessly debated at the same time.

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« Reply #12 on: February 11, 2021, 10:01:48 AM »

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Quote from: Moranis on February 11, 2021, 09:28:36 AM
This idea that Kemba Walker can't be traded is just downright strange to me.  I mean do people not think the Clippers would trade off parts for him (Beverly, Williams, Morris works for example).  New Orleans seems like a good fit (Bledsoe and Redick for Walker makes sense).  I could totally see Utah doing a Conley for Walker swap if they didn't think they were going to keep Conley past this season same thing with Toronto and Lowry. There are a bunch of other teams that could absolutely use Kemba and would acquire him without giving it much thought.  Obviously the package back and out would change based on team, but Walker absolutely can be moved and I don't think it would be all that difficult either if Boston wasn't super interested in the return.
But this is the key to every deal, or should be.  the return on a trade should always matter.   despite Kemba's current state, he should be worth a decent return.  he won't net an all-star in return at the moment but a couple of decent role players or a good role player and a lotto-protected first rounder wouldn't be unreasonable. 

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Quote from: Moranis on February 11, 2021, 09:28:36 AM
This idea that Kemba Walker can't be traded is just downright strange to me.

Of course Kemba could be traded.

He's just not going to be traded to OKC for Al Horford. And there's about 3-4 threads (by the same poster) where this is being needlessly debated at the same time.
fixed that for you.  some people just have to beat that dead horse
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« Reply #13 on: February 11, 2021, 10:03:07 AM »

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Dumping valuable and highly paid players when they are at their lowest value due to injuries or other issues is what desperate and/or stupid GMs do. 

Let's hope Danny Ainge is neither.
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« Reply #14 on: February 11, 2021, 10:31:07 AM »

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Quote from: PhoSita on February 11, 2021, 10:03:07 AM
Dumping valuable and highly paid players when they are at their lowest value due to injuries or other issues is what desperate and/or stupid GMs do. 

Let's hope Danny Ainge is neither.

Was thinking about this earlier. When was the last time Ainge did so? With the qualifications noted above, the answer is 'never" i believe. I don't think Rondo or Antoine qualify.

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