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...is to trade Kemba for Al Horford. Do you do it or not?

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Re: Possibly The Only Potential Way to Dump Kemba’s Contract..,
« Reply #15 on: February 11, 2021, 10:43:06 AM »

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You really want to add Horford after that abysmal performance last night against the Lakers? He had 25pts, 8Reb, 8Ast, 4stl, 1 Blk while shooting 11-18 from the field. Is that really the type of player you want to see in a C’s uniform?
« Last Edit: February 11, 2021, 10:58:39 AM by Goldstar88 »
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Re: Possibly The Only Potential Way to Dump Kemba’s Contract..,
« Reply #16 on: February 11, 2021, 02:16:25 PM »

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Absolutely would trade Kemba for Horford straight up and absolutely convinced that no GM would deal Horford for Kemba straight up right now.

Re: Possibly The Only Potential Way to Dump Kemba’s Contract..,
« Reply #17 on: February 11, 2021, 02:43:03 PM »

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Absolutely would trade Kemba for Horford straight up and absolutely convinced that no GM would deal Horford for Kemba straight up right now.


I just think it’s funny when people say Horford’s contract is so terrible, but then say nothing about Kemba’s. Horford is no longer a DPOY candidate so he’s no longer good enough and wouldn’t help the C’s despite him still being able to shoot, pass, and rebound at a high level.
Quoting Nick from the now locked Ime thread:
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At some point you have to blame the performance on the court on the players on the court. Every loss is not the coach's fault and every win isn't because of the players.

Re: Possibly The Only Potential Way to Dump Kemba’s Contract..,
« Reply #18 on: February 11, 2021, 02:47:59 PM »

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Absolutely would trade Kemba for Horford straight up and absolutely convinced that no GM would deal Horford for Kemba straight up right now.
Hmm maybe we can add Timelord to the deal so OKC bites. TL might develop better in OKC than here. Even if OKC ask for more like Romeo it might still be worth it especially if they give us Hill.

Re: Possibly The Only Potential Way to Dump Kemba’s Contract..,
« Reply #19 on: February 11, 2021, 02:58:15 PM »

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You know who is rooting for us to get Horford back, The Sixers! He played 33 minutes vs us in the playoffs and managed 7 points and 7 boards a game. Embiid would eat Horford like a banana split and hopefully he wont get that chance.

Re: Possibly The Only Potential Way to Dump Kemba’s Contract..,
« Reply #20 on: February 11, 2021, 03:00:09 PM »

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Absolutely would trade Kemba for Horford straight up and absolutely convinced that no GM would deal Horford for Kemba straight up right now.


I just think it’s funny when people say Horford’s contract is so terrible, but then say nothing about Kemba’s. Horford is no longer a DPOY candidate so he’s no longer good enough and wouldn’t help the C’s despite him still being able to shoot, pass, and rebound at a high level.

I think that is the point some are missing.  Horford's contract is horrible but Kemba's is too.  To me the question is do you want a decent to good big on a bad contract or do you want to roll the dice with Kemba and his contract.  If Kemba gets better, the contract won't seem so bad.  If Kemba gets no better or gets worse (worst case, knee forces him to shut down) then Kemba deal is worse.

That is why this is an interesting trade to debate.  There is no right answer or wrong answer.  You can feel sure you know how good Kemba will be in a month or two but you don't know.  In two months is he an all star?  In two months is he inactive due to knee soreness?  Something in between?  Of course Horford could get hurt or wear down too  but more likely, Al just keeps on being Al.

Re: Possibly The Only Potential Way to Dump Kemba’s Contract..,
« Reply #21 on: February 11, 2021, 03:19:56 PM »

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No Al wasn't Al last year anymore  and there is everything to overevalue his contract, his level, his future. Al want to show he is not done and has a lot of opportunity to show it in a poor team. Al will be 35 in 4 moonth. In 1 and even more in 2 years, Horford will be an horrible contract.
For Kemba the only way to see interest is if we know he is totally cooked. I don't see at all that. He is just 30 with 4 years less in the legs. I think the problem isn't that much physic now or about his knee, it looks more mental and shape problems. But this is just my strong opinion. His value as a player will very probably improve, not for sure to the all star level but he may still learn his new role and seem one time to become a wonderfull 6th men if he needs to rest more.  If he comes just to an OK Kemba we can still trade him to a bad team against youth or pick or vet. We have to be patient.

Re: Possibly The Only Potential Way to Dump Kemba’s Contract..,
« Reply #22 on: February 11, 2021, 03:30:56 PM »

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Absolutely would trade Kemba for Horford straight up and absolutely convinced that no GM would deal Horford for Kemba straight up right now.


I just think it’s funny when people say Horford’s contract is so terrible, but then say nothing about Kemba’s. Horford is no longer a DPOY candidate so he’s no longer good enough and wouldn’t help the C’s despite him still being able to shoot, pass, and rebound at a high level.

I think that is the point some are missing.  Horford's contract is horrible but Kemba's is too.  To me the question is do you want a decent to good big on a bad contract or do you want to roll the dice with Kemba and his contract.  If Kemba gets better, the contract won't seem so bad.  If Kemba gets no better or gets worse (worst case, knee forces him to shut down) then Kemba deal is worse.

That is why this is an interesting trade to debate.  There is no right answer or wrong answer.  You can feel sure you know how good Kemba will be in a month or two but you don't know.  In two months is he an all star?  In two months is he inactive due to knee soreness?  Something in between?  Of course Horford could get hurt or wear down too  but more likely, Al just keeps on being Al.
Kemba reminds me of IT after he came back from his hip injury. It was known that the hip issue is for life and IT never even had a decent stretch of games after that. I’m afraid Kemba is what he is now. Unless he starts shooting like curry he’s not gonna contribute to winning.

Re: Possibly The Only Potential Way to Dump Kemba’s Contract..,
« Reply #23 on: February 11, 2021, 03:31:20 PM »

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I think only way possible is

Timelord + Walker + 1st for Horford and Hill

In other words, overpay

Re: Possibly The Only Potential Way to Dump Kemba’s Contract..,
« Reply #24 on: February 11, 2021, 03:43:45 PM »

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I think only way possible is

Timelord + Walker + 1st for Horford and Hill

In other words, overpay
Replace first rounder with Romeo or Nesmith .
We need to preserve picks for future trades I think.
OKC have plenty of picks but currently kind of lack projects players to develop given them trying to rebuild.
If we get a small contract back (Muscala ) that fits into one of our smaller TPEs then we can end up with a TPE the size of Kembas contract $34.4M and can use that till next trade deadline. It might not be a horrible trade 🤷🏻‍♂️

Re: Possibly The Only Potential Way to Dump Kemba’s Contract..,
« Reply #25 on: February 11, 2021, 03:51:35 PM »

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Absolutely would trade Kemba for Horford straight up and absolutely convinced that no GM would deal Horford for Kemba straight up right now.


I just think it’s funny when people say Horford’s contract is so terrible, but then say nothing about Kemba’s. Horford is no longer a DPOY candidate so he’s no longer good enough and wouldn’t help the C’s despite him still being able to shoot, pass, and rebound at a high level.

I think that is the point some are missing.  Horford's contract is horrible but Kemba's is too.  To me the question is do you want a decent to good big on a bad contract or do you want to roll the dice with Kemba and his contract.  If Kemba gets better, the contract won't seem so bad.  If Kemba gets no better or gets worse (worst case, knee forces him to shut down) then Kemba deal is worse.

That is why this is an interesting trade to debate.  There is no right answer or wrong answer.  You can feel sure you know how good Kemba will be in a month or two but you don't know.  In two months is he an all star?  In two months is he inactive due to knee soreness?  Something in between?  Of course Horford could get hurt or wear down too  but more likely, Al just keeps on being Al.

As a third option, best case scenario for Kemba is 18ppg and if he gets his shooting back to career averages, he’ll be 42% from the field and 35% from 3pt. Add in 3-4 assists and a couple of rebounds a game with below average D. He will never be able to live up to the $34-37M/year he will be earning over the next few years. Horford will be making $27M next year and $26M the year after. It’s an overpay, but not nearly as much as the one the C’s are for a Kemba. Kemba makes almost the same as Horford and George Hill combined. Say what you want about Michael Jordan as a GM, but he made the right call by not paying Kemba. Danny rolled the dice on him and it didn’t work out. Time to salvage things.
« Last Edit: February 11, 2021, 03:56:45 PM by Goldstar88 »
Quoting Nick from the now locked Ime thread:
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At some point you have to blame the performance on the court on the players on the court. Every loss is not the coach's fault and every win isn't because of the players.

Re: Possibly The Only Potential Way to Dump Kemba’s Contract..,
« Reply #26 on: February 11, 2021, 03:51:48 PM »

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I think only way possible is

Timelord + Walker + 1st for Horford and Hill

In other words, overpay
Replace first rounder with Romeo or Nesmith .
We need to preserve picks for future trades I think.
OKC have plenty of picks but currently kind of lack projects players to develop given them trying to rebuild.
If we get a small contract back (Muscala ) that fits into one of our smaller TPEs then we can end up with a TPE the size of Kembas contract $34.4M and can use that till next trade deadline. It might not be a horrible trade 🤷🏻‍♂️

OKC is mainly after picks , unless they are going to obtain a stunning player

Nesmith/ Langford would just logjam their already packed roster (except frontcourt)

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« Reply #27 on: February 11, 2021, 03:55:07 PM »

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I think only way possible is

Timelord + Walker + 1st for Horford and Hill

In other words, overpay
Replace first rounder with Romeo or Nesmith .
We need to preserve picks for future trades I think.
OKC have plenty of picks but currently kind of lack projects players to develop given them trying to rebuild.
If we get a small contract back (Muscala ) that fits into one of our smaller TPEs then we can end up with a TPE the size of Kembas contract $34.4M and can use that till next trade deadline. It might not be a horrible trade 🤷🏻‍♂️

OKC is mainly after picks , unless they are going to obtain a stunning player

Nesmith/ Langford would just logjam their already packed roster (except frontcourt)
They have 3 useless (barely playing) small forwards that they refuse to waive because they combined make $25M .. I think they can fit a project at the 2/3/4 in their rotation. If not Romeo maybe they like Grant.
Another thing to consider is that there is such thing / paradox as having too many picks and or assets. Exhibit 1 is the 2015-19 Boston Celtics lol

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« Reply #28 on: February 11, 2021, 04:21:14 PM »

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I think only way possible is

Timelord + Walker + 1st for Horford and Hill

In other words, overpay
Replace first rounder with Romeo or Nesmith .
We need to preserve picks for future trades I think.
OKC have plenty of picks but currently kind of lack projects players to develop given them trying to rebuild.
If we get a small contract back (Muscala ) that fits into one of our smaller TPEs then we can end up with a TPE the size of Kembas contract $34.4M and can use that till next trade deadline. It might not be a horrible trade 🤷🏻‍♂️

OKC is mainly after picks , unless they are going to obtain a stunning player

Nesmith/ Langford would just logjam their already packed roster (except frontcourt)
They have 3 useless (barely playing) small forwards that they refuse to waive because they combined make $25M .. I think they can fit a project at the 2/3/4 in their rotation. If not Romeo maybe they like Grant.
Another thing to consider is that there is such thing / paradox as having too many picks and or assets. Exhibit 1 is the 2015-19 Boston Celtics lol

yes and yes

but 1st round picks hold more value than 15-17 and above picked players. Unless they are good/show promise

All Langford has shown is frequent trips to the injured reserve.  Nesmith is not off to a hot start

Re: Possibly The Only Potential Way to Dump Kemba’s Contract..,
« Reply #29 on: February 11, 2021, 04:45:49 PM »

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The shell of Horford from yesterday. 25/8/8.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=vP1vz6isBBo
Quoting Nick from the now locked Ime thread:
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At some point you have to blame the performance on the court on the players on the court. Every loss is not the coach's fault and every win isn't because of the players.