Boston won yet another game against a great team without Jaylen Brown. At some point will this board finally catch up to the idea that the only person that truly matters is Tatum. He is the guy everyone else is just filler.
I hope it is a joke ! We may not forget that we missed our omega player and our defensive dog, but so did they with George and Beverley. It must relativise our win. Tatum almost lost two balls in the last 2 mns with a 3 point missed. Still question about his clutchitude. Whatever if we win it all at one time it will be because of our duo
Of course it isn't a joke. I've been saying it for years. In fact since Tatum joined the team, Boston is well below .500 without him and actually wins a greater rate when Brown misses games and it is around 40 games missed by Brown (so a decent sample size). Last year, Brown missed 15 games and Boston went 10-5, the exact same win percentage in the games he played while Boston was 2-4 without Tatum and 2-3 without Tatum thus far this year. Entering tonight, Boston is 13.1 points per 100 possessions better with Tatum on the floor than with him off and just 2.3 better with Brown than without him. And it doesn't matter who Tatum plays with, the results are the same when you hit a big enough sample size no matter what 4 you put on the floor with him. Tatum is the person that drives Boston's success and he has driven it since basically the first game he played. No one else really matters to that discussion as the team wins at around the same rate, if not better, when basically any other player misses games. Just not the case with Tatum.
Tatum is the most important piece on the team, but to lump Jaylen in with all of the other guys on the team is ridiculous. Tatum isn’t winning in the playoffs without Jaylen.
How do you know? Brown has missed 2 playoff games in his career (one of them was his rookie year so can't put any real stock in that). Boston won both of them. Without Brown in the regular season last year, Boston went 4-3 against playoff teams and is 1-0 this year (I'm going to assume LA makes the playoffs).
The simple reality is Boston wins games at a higher percentage when Brown doesn't play then when Brown does play since Tatum joined the team. That is a fact. It is basically a fact for every player that isn't Tatum.
Brown is a great player, but he just doesn't meaningfully impact the only thing that really matters at the end of the day and that is wins and losses. He never has. Maybe he will someday, maybe even soon, but thus far in his career he just doesn't move the needle.
omg come on. The sample size you are listing is so small. It feels like you are missing the forest for the trees with your take on Brown.
lol. I know you have some really good posts sometimes, but the total distain that you have for Brown is just too much. I don't get it. We have two great young players, and we need BOTH of them.
Since the start of the 17-18 season, Boston is now 27-9 without Brown during the regular season.
without / with
17-18 season - 8-4 / 47-23
18-19 season - 8-0 / 41-33
19-20 season - 10-5 / 38-19
20-21 season - 1-0 / 11-9
So 27-9 without Brown or 75% and 137-84 with Brown or 61.99%
I get 36 games isn't a huge sample size, but it isn't that small either. And that is just with removing Brown and not replacing him with anyone (I was making this exact argument pretty consistently Irving's last year and low and behold remove Irving for a lesser player in Walker and Boston magically became a lot better). Last year in particular was a pretty good mix of home and away, good and bad, etc. for games played without Brown. And some of the games without Brown were also without Tatum (they both missed the last game in the bubble against Washington last year, a Boston loss - though the C's did beat Orlando last year without either).
And I don't have disdain for Brown, I just recognize he isn't that important to the team's ultimate success. I do think he could be replaced and Boston wouldn't miss a beat because Boston doesn't miss a beat in the random games he misses. He is a great fit next to Tatum, so I wouldn't just move on from him for no reason, but I was pushing for a Harden trade pretty hard because of this fact. Harden would have elevated Boston into the next tier. Something Brown just can't do. And there are a lot of great players, even 2-way ones, that are more suited for complimentary roles. I think you could reasonably argue that describes Anthony Davis. Davis is obviously a great player, but he has been a disappointment from the team win standpoint, except with James. His teams just seemed to consistently underperform (and it isn't like they were a lot worse without him the year after he left). Now Davis was still youngish, so maybe he would have eventually elevated into that class or maybe he never would have. The same obviously holds for Brown, but at some point game after game missed by Brown and yet the team keeps right on winning no longer becomes a coincidence and is in fact a pattern.
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