Celtics (11-8) at Kings (9-11) Game #20 2/3/21

[jambr380]

Tremont Waters is JUST AWFUL. Makes bad decisions - takes bad shots. He can't hit the side of a barn with his shot. Man time to dump this kid. Yes he made one good pass last night in desperation as he drove himself under the backboard and was swallowed up but it certainly wasn'y his plan. He just stinks.

I have no idea what the thought process was in keeping him around this season. I guess he was part of the organization last year, and with no G-League, it helps to have players who know the system(?), but he just really can't effectively play in the NBA, but makes decisions like he thinks he can. It's a recipe for wasted possessions and frustration.

[Goldstar88]

We all know the bench is the downfall of this team but not having Walker and Smart is tough

The Celtics are wasting roster spots with guys like Waters/Edwards/Greene, Tacko and possibly G.Williams who has one good game followed by 3 bad ones. Those guys are just not NBA players. In last nights game the +\- for those guys: G Williams-10, Edwards -5, Waters -6, Greeene, -15. It’s pathetic. 

[Birdman]

We all know the bench is the downfall of this team but not having Walker and Smart is tough

The Celtics are wasting roster spots with guys like Waters/Edwards/Greene, Tacko and possibly G.Williams who has one good game followed by 3 bad ones. Those guys are just not NBA players. In last nights game the +\- for those guys: G Williams-10, Edwards -5, Waters -6, Greeene, -15. It’s pathetic.

I agree a hundred percent.. all these guys wouldn’t be playing on other teams

[BMark]

Did not like our rotations at all tonight. Just garbage. Thompson plays his best 3 quarters this year, nearly dropping 20/10, and he is benched for the 4th. We persevered with Teague and Waters over Nesmith and Ojeleye despite the former two being utter garbage all game. Just terrible moves by our coach

This is correct.  Why are the Cs' substitution patterns dictated by "matchups"?  This means we react to the substitutions of the other coach instead of forcing the other coach to react to ours.

Walton played his best five guys down the stretch, which included Barnes at the 4.  We did not, apparently because of "matchups".

The Kings did not have an answer for TT last night.  Theis could have covered Barnes quite easily.

I know this was the second of a back to back, but we could have easily won this game.  It is a pity.

[celts55]

We all know the bench is the downfall of this team but not having Walker and Smart is tough

The Celtics are wasting roster spots with guys like Waters/Edwards/Greene, Tacko and possibly G.Williams who has one good game followed by 3 bad ones. Those guys are just not NBA players. In last nights game the +\- for those guys: G Williams-10, Edwards -5, Waters -6, Greeene, -15. It’s pathetic.

I might be tempted to keep Grant and Tacko around for a bit, as maybe they have some potential, but the other three could be gone tomorrow. Still not sold on Semi either.

They should take Teague along when they go.

[Phantom255x]

Agree with some of the posts. I'm not advocating that we dump all of them, but certainly you can find some upgrades over guys like Waters/Edwards/Green on the bench

Reminds me last season when we kept Poirier for absolutely no reason, and then dumped him anyways in the offseason. If Danny can acquire someone using a future 1st rounder, and attaching a player (or needing to dump him for a roster spot) there really shouldn't be a problem.

I do think our Top-8 has legit potential if Thompson can keep it up and we are able to be healthy.

Kemba/Brown/Tatum/Theis/Thompson/Smart/Timelord/Pritchard/Teague and hopefully 1-2 more addition.

[slamtheking]

Agree with some of the posts. I'm not advocating that we dump all of them, but certainly you can find some upgrades over guys like Waters/Edwards/Green on the bench

Reminds me last season when we kept Poirier for absolutely no reason, and then dumped him anyways in the offseason. If Danny can acquire someone using a future 1st rounder, and attaching a player (or needing to dump him for a roster spot) there really shouldn't be a problem.

I do think our Top-8 has legit potential if Thompson can keep it up and we are able to be healthy.

Kemba/Brown/Tatum/Theis/Thompson/Smart/Timelord/Pritchard/Teague and hopefully 1-2 more addition.

I wouldn't include Teague in that group.  fully ready to move on from him.

[Vermont Green]

We all know the bench is the downfall of this team but not having Walker and Smart is tough

The Celtics are wasting roster spots with guys like Waters/Edwards/Greene, Tacko and possibly G.Williams who has one good game followed by 3 bad ones. Those guys are just not NBA players. In last nights game the +\- for those guys: G Williams-10, Edwards -5, Waters -6, Greeene, -15. It’s pathetic.

Not just Walker and Smart but also Prichard.  We played with what is likely our 4th and 5th best options at PG.

As to the bench, yes, Edwards, Waters, and Green are really AAAA players.  That is true.  That is the reality for this team.  But you can't lump Grant Williams in with them.  You see posts all the time saying Grant should start or he should play more.  Grant is a fine enough NBA bench player, better than a AAAA player, but that is all he is.

[LilRip]

Tremont Waters is JUST AWFUL. Makes bad decisions - takes bad shots. He can't hit the side of a barn with his shot. Man time to dump this kid. Yes he made one good pass last night in desperation as he drove himself under the backboard and was swallowed up but it certainly wasn'y his plan. He just stinks.

I have no idea what the thought process was in keeping him around this season. I guess he was part of the organization last year, and with no G-League, it helps to have players who know the system(?), but he just really can't effectively play in the NBA, but makes decisions like he thinks he can. It's a recipe for wasted possessions and frustration.

Tremont Waters is the best healthy PG we have right now. Kemba/Smart/Pritchard are ahead of him on the depth chart but I think Waters outplays Teague on defense (Altho they both stink on offense).

[Goldstar88]

We all know the bench is the downfall of this team but not having Walker and Smart is tough

The Celtics are wasting roster spots with guys like Waters/Edwards/Greene, Tacko and possibly G.Williams who has one good game followed by 3 bad ones. Those guys are just not NBA players. In last nights game the +\- for those guys: G Williams-10, Edwards -5, Waters -6, Greeene, -15. It’s pathetic.

Not just Walker and Smart but also Prichard.  We played with what is likely our 4th and 5th best options at PG.

As to the bench, yes, Edwards, Waters, and Green are really AAAA players.  That is true.  That is the reality for this team.  But you can't lump Grant Williams in with them.  You see posts all the time saying Grant should start or he should play more.  Grant is a fine enough NBA bench player, better than a AAAA player, but that is all he is.

I’m not sold that Grant Williams belongs in the NBA. He’s undersized and super inconsistent. If he can consistently make the 3 ball and play average D, he may be an end of bench type role player. IMO, He does not have much upside due to his lack of size and athleticism. There aren’t many 6’6” PF/C in the league for a reason.

[gouki88]

We all know the bench is the downfall of this team but not having Walker and Smart is tough

The Celtics are wasting roster spots with guys like Waters/Edwards/Greene, Tacko and possibly G.Williams who has one good game followed by 3 bad ones. Those guys are just not NBA players. In last nights game the +\- for those guys: G Williams-10, Edwards -5, Waters -6, Greeene, -15. It’s pathetic.

Not just Walker and Smart but also Prichard.  We played with what is likely our 4th and 5th best options at PG.

As to the bench, yes, Edwards, Waters, and Green are really AAAA players.  That is true.  That is the reality for this team.  But you can't lump Grant Williams in with them.  You see posts all the time saying Grant should start or he should play more.  Grant is a fine enough NBA bench player, better than a AAAA player, but that is all he is.

I’m not sold that Grant Williams belongs in the NBA. He’s undersized and super inconsistent. If he can consistently make the 3 ball and play average D, he may be an end of bench type role player. IMO, He does not have much upside due to his lack of size and athleticism. There aren’t many 6’6” PF/C in the league for a reason.

Over his last 34 games (this season + the playoffs) Grant Williams has hit 26/52 from behind the arc, a very neat 50% on 1.5 attempts per game. I think he's also generally played pretty solid defence for the most part. He gets hit sometimes by being slow or trying to use his strength too much on opposing offensive players, but I think he's been pretty good for the most part.

He is already more than an end of bench player on a serious playoff team...

[Goldstar88]

We all know the bench is the downfall of this team but not having Walker and Smart is tough

The Celtics are wasting roster spots with guys like Waters/Edwards/Greene, Tacko and possibly G.Williams who has one good game followed by 3 bad ones. Those guys are just not NBA players. In last nights game the +\- for those guys: G Williams-10, Edwards -5, Waters -6, Greeene, -15. It’s pathetic.

Not just Walker and Smart but also Prichard.  We played with what is likely our 4th and 5th best options at PG.

As to the bench, yes, Edwards, Waters, and Green are really AAAA players.  That is true.  That is the reality for this team.  But you can't lump Grant Williams in with them.  You see posts all the time saying Grant should start or he should play more.  Grant is a fine enough NBA bench player, better than a AAAA player, but that is all he is.

I’m not sold that Grant Williams belongs in the NBA. He’s undersized and super inconsistent. If he can consistently make the 3 ball and play average D, he may be an end of bench type role player. IMO, He does not have much upside due to his lack of size and athleticism. There aren’t many 6’6” PF/C in the league for a reason.

Over his last 34 games (this season + the playoffs) Grant Williams has hit 26/52 from behind the arc, a very neat 50% on 1.5 attempts per game. I think he's also generally played pretty solid defence for the most part. He gets hit sometimes by being slow or trying to use his strength too much on opposing offensive players, but I think he's been pretty good for the most part.

He is already more than an end of bench player on a serious playoff team...

Right, which helps illustrate just how terrible the C’s bigs are lol. His 3pt shot is the only thing keeping him on the court right now. He has been on fire, though.

[hwangjini_1]

We all know the bench is the downfall of this team but not having Walker and Smart is tough

The Celtics are wasting roster spots with guys like Waters/Edwards/Greene, Tacko and possibly G.Williams who has one good game followed by 3 bad ones. Those guys are just not NBA players. In last nights game the +\- for those guys: G Williams-10, Edwards -5, Waters -6, Greeene, -15. It’s pathetic.

Not just Walker and Smart but also Prichard.  We played with what is likely our 4th and 5th best options at PG.

As to the bench, yes, Edwards, Waters, and Green are really AAAA players.  That is true.  That is the reality for this team.  But you can't lump Grant Williams in with them.  You see posts all the time saying Grant should start or he should play more.  Grant is a fine enough NBA bench player, better than a AAAA player, but that is all he is.

I’m not sold that Grant Williams belongs in the NBA. He’s undersized and super inconsistent. If he can consistently make the 3 ball and play average D, he may be an end of bench type role player. IMO, He does not have much upside due to his lack of size and athleticism. There aren’t many 6’6” PF/C in the league for a reason.

Over his last 34 games (this season + the playoffs) Grant Williams has hit 26/52 from behind the arc, a very neat 50% on 1.5 attempts per game. I think he's also generally played pretty solid defence for the most part. He gets hit sometimes by being slow or trying to use his strength too much on opposing offensive players, but I think he's been pretty good for the most part.

He is already more than an end of bench player on a serious playoff team...

Right, which helps illustrate just how terrible the C’s bigs are lol. His 3pt shot is the only thing keeping him on the court right now. He has been on fire, though.

Grant Williams is hard to assess right now. last year he clearly was an nba player and helped the team with his offense, defense, and very smart play.

for much of this season he has been anti-Grant. he misses assignments, makes bone headed plays, lazy on defense, and over all a disappointment.

but, in the last few games saw the 2020-Grant, at least a little. his defense and effort are better, but inconsistent during the past few games.

so, we shall see. i am hopeful, but will wait to see whether this recent and brief level of play continues.