At what point will Ainge make a move this season? (poll)

[NKY fan]

I was thinking at some point that the tpe could be used at the deadline to trade for teams’ MLE signings they have buyers remorse on like ibaka and Jones Jr. but then trystan started playing invisible and realized that we are the team with buyers remorse on their MLE signing

[CFAN38]

The season is so much different then past seasons that teams really have to be smart about panic over their early season records. Currently the Raptors (8-12) and the Heat ( 7-13) are out of the playoffs. Improved teams like ATL, Cavs and the Hornets are all in the playoffs. I suspect after the allstar break we will see the East standings shake out to something resembling last seasons just with the Nets in the top 3 and a tight competition between for the last few playoff spots. ( The play in for the 7th and 8th seeds should be great!).

As for the Cs making a move I suspect it will be an underwhelming trade at the deadline to add a youngish (27-30) vet wing to this roster.   

HIGHER COST OPTIONS (1st rd pick(s))

Fournier, FA so not idea but a great fit as 6th man

Ross, inconsistent but signed to a decent contract for 2years after this one. Another nice 6th man option

Thad Young, older then I would like at 32 but under contract next season and having a nice season (really passing well)

LOWER COST (2nd round pick guys)

Alec Burke, FA but nice bench scoring option

Tomas Satoransky, having a down year coming off of Covid but should be attainable for cheap, is under contract next year, and as a 6'7 PG he bring a lot of utility to the bench unit

Wayne Ellington, rather then looking at JJ Redick the Cs can trade for Ellington using one of their smaller TPEs

I think most likely we see Teague traded away to a team with space for a future 2nd ( and Cash) to be then bought out and a player like Burke or Ellington is added via the smaller TPE and a 2nd.

I should have added that I suspect DA used the smaller TPE for a Burke or Ellington type and saves the large TPE for the off-season making the Cs a player in free agency.

Its not a stretch to see a  player at the level of Fournier, Hardaway Jr., Will Barton, Josh Richardson, Norm Powell, or Oubre (if he comes out of slump) enter free agency and make a Hayward like move of picking the Celtics but allowing his old team to acquire a TPE and 2nd round pick. Its also not a stretch to see the Celtics make a run at John Collins as a S&T option. The rise of Tatum and Brown might pay off with some of these FAs looking for a long term fit on a perennial contender. 

[pearljammer10]

So we’re just not going to mention that in that 7 game stretch the fives loses were three games without Tatum, we lost by 4 to SAS, and by 1 to the defending champions?

Over react much?

[mobilija]

The season is so much different then past seasons that teams really have to be smart about panic over their early season records. Currently the Raptors (8-12) and the Heat ( 7-13) are out of the playoffs. Improved teams like ATL, Cavs and the Hornets are all in the playoffs. I suspect after the allstar break we will see the East standings shake out to something resembling last seasons just with the Nets in the top 3 and a tight competition between for the last few playoff spots. ( The play in for the 7th and 8th seeds should be great!).

As for the Cs making a move I suspect it will be an underwhelming trade at the deadline to add a youngish (27-30) vet wing to this roster.   

HIGHER COST OPTIONS (1st rd pick(s))

Fournier, FA so not idea but a great fit as 6th man

Ross, inconsistent but signed to a decent contract for 2years after this one. Another nice 6th man option

Thad Young, older then I would like at 32 but under contract next season and having a nice season (really passing well)

LOWER COST (2nd round pick guys)

Alec Burke, FA but nice bench scoring option

Tomas Satoransky, having a down year coming off of Covid but should be attainable for cheap, is under contract next year, and as a 6'7 PG he bring a lot of utility to the bench unit

Wayne Ellington, rather then looking at JJ Redick the Cs can trade for Ellington using one of their smaller TPEs

I think most likely we see Teague traded away to a team with space for a future 2nd ( and Cash) to be then bought out and a player like Burke or Ellington is added via the smaller TPE and a 2nd.

I should have added that I suspect DA used the smaller TPE for a Burke or Ellington type and saves the large TPE for the off-season making the Cs a player in free agency.

Its not a stretch to see a  player at the level of Fournier, Hardaway Jr., Will Barton, Josh Richardson, Norm Powell, or Oubre (if he comes out of slump) enter free agency and make a Hayward like move of picking the Celtics but allowing his old team to acquire a TPE and 2nd round pick. Its also not a stretch to see the Celtics make a run at John Collins as a S&T option. The rise of Tatum and Brown might pay off with some of these FAs looking for a long term fit on a perennial contender.

TP, agree completely. Smaller TPE might get used and will hold onto the bigger one for a bigger swing at some bigger fish.

[Tr1boy]

So we’re just not going to mention that in that 7 game stretch the fives loses were three games without Tatum, we lost by 4 to SAS, and by 1 to the defending champions?

Over react much?

Nope.

Means cant close

Cant hold/blown leads. There is a pattern

[kraidstar]

When the trade deadline nears, so does buyout season. I expect Ainge to keep his first-rounders and go after some of those buyout candidates, getting them for practically free via the TPE.

This benefits our trading partner because they save money buy not having to agree to a buyout. And it gives us that player's bird rights for the future.

If I'm Ainge I'm letting teams know to call me before the deadline if they plan on buying a player out.

He's not giving up our picks unless a really good player becomes available.

[Atzar]

I don't think Ainge will make a major move this season.  Obviously unexpected opportunities can always change the equation, but as it is, I wouldn't expect anything.

As much as a lot of fans might wish otherwise, he appears to be content to play the long game with the Jays.  And IMHO it's the right approach. 

[wdleehi]

I don't think Ainge will make a major move this season.  Obviously unexpected opportunities can always change the equation, but as it is, I wouldn't expect anything.

As much as a lot of fans might wish otherwise, he appears to be content to play the long game with the Jays.  And IMHO it's the right approach.

I think the long term is to make a trade this season using the TPE.   It has to be a player that is signed beyond this season.   It gives the Celtics both a player that help this team past this season and a possible contract that can be used in a bigger trade next season that doesn't have the same restrictions that a TPE would have.   

[PhoSita]

So we’re just not going to mention that in that 7 game stretch the fives loses were three games without Tatum, we lost by 4 to SAS, and by 1 to the defending champions?

Over react much?

Nope.

Means cant close

Cant hold/blown leads. There is a pattern

So if the team instead lost by 3-5 points after never having had the lead all game, you would feel better about  the team's competitiveness?

[nickagneta]

Ainge will make a move when he feels he is making a deal that will make the team better. That could happen at anytime and probably won't be a reaction to wins and losses happening on the court.

[kraidstar]

I don't think Ainge will make a major move this season.  Obviously unexpected opportunities can always change the equation, but as it is, I wouldn't expect anything.

As much as a lot of fans might wish otherwise, he appears to be content to play the long game with the Jays.  And IMHO it's the right approach.

I think the long term is to make a trade this season using the TPE.   It has to be a player that is signed beyond this season.   It gives the Celtics both a player that help this team past this season and a possible contract that can be used in a bigger trade next season that doesn't have the same restrictions that a TPE would have.

Agree it would definitely be helpful getting back a mid-to-large size contract that could be used in a trade later. Being able to add additional prospects and players makes it much more likely we could execute a trade for an actual star.

[mef730]

I assume that saying, "Well, we were really close on a couple of big moves and thought that it was going to get done, but it fell apart at the last minute" doesn't count as a move?

Unless it does, he won't.

Mike

[NKY fan]

I assume that saying, "Well, we were really close on a couple of big moves and thought that it was going to get done, but it fell apart at the last minute" doesn't count as a move?

Unless it does, he won't.

Mike

Well you’re laughing but with exception of 2-3 Orlando magic players and a couple from the bulls and kings there really isn’t anything realistic given hard cap and luxury tax constraints.
George hill and all Horford are also possibilities but either injuries or size of contract make things complicated.
Anyway it’s really hard to envision anything that would make people on here excited because all players mentioned as possibilities are average at best at their craft and or past their prime years.

[Walker Wiggle]

When the trade deadline nears, so does buyout season. I expect Ainge to keep his first-rounders and go after some of those buyout candidates, getting them for practically free via the TPE.

This benefits our trading partner because they save money buy not having to agree to a buyout. And it gives us that player's bird rights for the future.

If I'm Ainge I'm letting teams know to call me before the deadline if they plan on buying a player out.

He's not giving up our picks unless a really good player becomes available.

Major Tommy point for this. Very smart idea and I’d be shocked if the team isn’t considering it.

No other contending teams, to my knowledge, have a large TPE or cap space. That means the Celtics should in theory be able to trade a nothing pick (say, a top-55 protected 2nd) for whichever buyout candidate they choose, as long as he fits salary wise.

Of course, if the team can simply take on buyout types without giving up assets, it makes you wonder who they’d be able to obtain if they actually throw in some meaningful draft capital. I do not think the team will need to expend multiple 1sts, for instance, for a decent player, because they are in a unique position to take on salary.

To take an example, if the Magic are in the mood to part with Evan Fournier and his $17m expiring contract, which other teams are willing and able to package enough guys to match that salary? For this reason I think players like that can be had at the deadline for relatively little in terms of draft capital. It’s basically the next tier up from buyout candidates.

With all that said, I still think the most likely thing that Ainge and company do is to wait until the offseason before using the Hayward TPE.

[NKY fan]

When the trade deadline nears, so does buyout season. I expect Ainge to keep his first-rounders and go after some of those buyout candidates, getting them for practically free via the TPE.

This benefits our trading partner because they save money buy not having to agree to a buyout. And it gives us that player's bird rights for the future.

If I'm Ainge I'm letting teams know to call me before the deadline if they plan on buying a player out.

He's not giving up our picks unless a really good player becomes available.

Major Tommy point for this. Very smart idea and I’d be shocked if the team isn’t considering it.

No other contending teams, to my knowledge, have a large TPE or cap space. That means the Celtics should in theory be able to trade a nothing pick (say, a top-55 protected 2nd) for whichever buyout candidate they choose, as long as he fits salary wise.

Of course, if the team can simply take on buyout types without giving up assets, it makes you wonder who they’d be able to obtain if they actually throw in some meaningful draft capital. I do not think the team will need to expend multiple 1sts, for instance, for a decent player, because they are in a unique position to take on salary.

To take an example, if the Magic are in the mood to part with Evan Fournier and his $17m expiring contract, which other teams are willing and able to package enough guys to match that salary? For this reason I think players like that can be had at the deadline for relatively little in terms of draft capital. It’s basically the next tier up from buyout candidates.

With all that said, I still think the most likely thing that Ainge and company do is to wait until the offseason before using the Hayward TPE.

The idea is solid the problem with it is that no player / team combo fits it. The only exceptions Reddick and Ariza might get bought out. One is washed and the other probably won’t come back to play this year.