Interesting - always Stevens fault went the Celtics lose

[MikeB12]

I find it amusing that Brad is always the problem when the Celtics lose, but very seldom gets any credit when the Celtics win.

I knew that when Walker came back there would be issues in getting him back into the flow which would affect the team play as a whole.

The basic problem is that the Celtics don't have enough talent, and that isn't Brad's fault.  The Celtics at best are the 4th of 5th best team in the East.  The Nets, which I now dislike even more with Harden who forced his way out of the Rockets, are now a better team than the Celtics.

Theis and Thompson are adequate but the Celtics don't really have an offensive threat down low.

When the season started didn't all (or most) of us really know that the chances of the Celtics making the Finals or even winning the East were probably slim and none.  So that makes it tough to maintain enthusiasm and optimism as the season progresses.

GO CELTICS!  Long time fan

MikeB

[Roy H.]

Yeah, no credit for implementing the zone, which got us back into the game.

[nickagneta]

Not really Brad's fault that the players on the floor stopped actually trying to play any semblance of good ball for the last 4.5 minutes of the 1st half and gave up a, what was it, 23-4 run.

Could he have taken a timeout and and tried to right things? Yeah, but there is no guarantee that would have changed anything. And, the real killer of that run was the 11-0 run in the final 90 seconds. That really hurt and no good coach is going to waste a timeout with 90 seconds or less left in the 1st half.

I think that 4-5 minute stint is where the game was lost and that, for me, was all on the players, not because they failed, but because they just stopped trying and gave  no effort whatsoever.

[cltc5]

Stevens and Ainge have done plenty of damage in their respective roles to warrant a
Some of the blame.

[Tr1boy]

I find it amusing that Brad is always the problem when the Celtics lose, but very seldom gets any credit when the Celtics win.

I knew that when Walker came back there would be issues in getting him back into the flow which would affect the team play as a whole.

The basic problem is that the Celtics don't have enough talent, and that isn't Brad's fault.  The Celtics at best are the 4th of 5th best team in the East.  The Nets, which I now dislike even more with Harden who forced his way out of the Rockets, are now a better team than the Celtics.

Theis and Thompson are adequate but the Celtics don't really have an offensive threat down low.

When the season started didn't all (or most) of us really know that the chances of the Celtics making the Finals or even winning the East were probably slim and none.  So that makes it tough to maintain enthusiasm and optimism as the season progresses.

GO CELTICS!  Long time fan

MikeB

you must be kidding??

List another team (outside of the Nets) with 3 all stars in the lineup. Last season it was pretty much a starting All star lineup

Prior to Walker returning from injury,  there was enough depth to go on a nice 5 game winning streak

Brad Stevens is a frustrating coach imo because he is fixated instead of being on his toes

- The starters no matter how bad they perform throughout the game, has to finish.  And reality is that Brad doesn't have to do this

- Hoarding timeouts to showoff one of his tricks with less than 2 min left. Vs  calling a timeout appropriately or using it for a legit challenge

Watch Spurs or Spoelstra. How they use their timeouts.  Any kind of small runs/change of momentum.  These coaches call it ASAP.   

Brad just waits and waits until the lead pretty much evaporates completely, giving the other team confidence.   Which happened last night.   

[cltc5]

I find it amusing that Brad is always the problem when the Celtics lose, but very seldom gets any credit when the Celtics win.

I knew that when Walker came back there would be issues in getting him back into the flow which would affect the team play as a whole.

The basic problem is that the Celtics don't have enough talent, and that isn't Brad's fault.  The Celtics at best are the 4th of 5th best team in the East.  The Nets, which I now dislike even more with Harden who forced his way out of the Rockets, are now a better team than the Celtics.

Theis and Thompson are adequate but the Celtics don't really have an offensive threat down low.

When the season started didn't all (or most) of us really know that the chances of the Celtics making the Finals or even winning the East were probably slim and none.  So that makes it tough to maintain enthusiasm and optimism as the season progresses.

GO CELTICS!  Long time fan

MikeB

you must be kidding??

List another team (outside of the Nets) with 3 all stars in the lineup. Last season it was pretty much a starting All star lineup

Prior to Walker returning from injury,  there was enough depth to go on a nice 5 game winning streak

Brad Stevens is a frustrating coach imo because he is fixated instead of being on his toes

- The starters no matter how bad they perform throughout the game, has to finish.  And reality is that Brad doesn't have to do this

- Hoarding timeouts to showoff one of his tricks with less than 2 min left. Vs  calling a timeout appropriately or using it for a legit challenge

Watch Spurs or Spoelstra. How they use their timeouts.  Any kind of small runs/change of momentum.  These coaches call it ASAP.   

Brad just waits and waits until the lead pretty much evaporates completely, giving the other team confidence.   Which happened last night.

Hard to disagree with this

[Roy H.]

Not really Brad's fault that the players on the floor stopped actually trying to play any semblance of good ball for the last 4.5 minutes of the 1st half and gave up a, what was it, 23-4 run.

Could he have taken a timeout and and tried to right things? Yeah, but there is no guarantee that would have changed anything. And, the real killer of that run was the 11-0 run in the final 90 seconds. That really hurt and no good coach is going to waste a timeout with 90 seconds or less left in the 1st half.

I think that 4-5 minute stint is where the game was lost and that, for me, was all on the players, not because they failed, but because they just stopped trying and gave  no effort whatsoever.

And, it’s important to note that timeouts don’t always work. Brad called a timeout with about 4 1/2 minutes left in the first half, after the team started to play sloppy and saw its lead shrink. After that time out, rather than the team gathering it’s composure, it went into a complete nosedive.

[droopdog7]

I find it amusing that Brad is always the problem when the Celtics lose, but very seldom gets any credit when the Celtics win.

I knew that when Walker came back there would be issues in getting him back into the flow which would affect the team play as a whole.

The basic problem is that the Celtics don't have enough talent, and that isn't Brad's fault.  The Celtics at best are the 4th of 5th best team in the East.  The Nets, which I now dislike even more with Harden who forced his way out of the Rockets, are now a better team than the Celtics.

Theis and Thompson are adequate but the Celtics don't really have an offensive threat down low.

When the season started didn't all (or most) of us really know that the chances of the Celtics making the Finals or even winning the East were probably slim and none.  So that makes it tough to maintain enthusiasm and optimism as the season progresses.

GO CELTICS!  Long time fan

MikeB

you must be kidding??

List another team (outside of the Nets) with 3 all stars in the lineup. Last season it was pretty much a starting All star lineup

Prior to Walker returning from injury,  there was enough depth to go on a nice 5 game winning streak

Brad Stevens is a frustrating coach imo because he is fixated instead of being on his toes

- The starters no matter how bad they perform throughout the game, has to finish.  And reality is that Brad doesn't have to do this

- Hoarding timeouts to showoff one of his tricks with less than 2 min left. Vs  calling a timeout appropriately or using it for a legit challenge

Watch Spurs or Spoelstra. How they use their timeouts.  Any kind of small runs/change of momentum.  These coaches call it ASAP.   

Brad just waits and waits until the lead pretty much evaporates completely, giving the other team confidence.   Which happened last night.

The Celtics had their own run in the third to get back into the lead.  Remind me again what the great spurs coach did to stop that run?  Yeah, no one is saying that Brad is perfect or the best coach but everything fans complain about is biased and mostly wrong.

In terms of talent, it's early but I'd say the team is performing about (or even better than one would expect given the time missed).  We still don't have a top 10 player IMO and besides that, the guys need to learn get accustomed to playing with each other again. 

And it seems that lots of people are piling on kemba specifically too.  What i see is different from most.  He looks quick and fast, and his shots will begin to drop.  I don't worry about makes and misses in the short run.

You want a real critique look at the Jays.  They want to ascend to super star status.  Average at least 5-6 assists a game.  Unless either one of them is the focus of the offense they can struggle.  Add another good scorer and they struggle more.  They need to become more consistent playmakers to make others better.  Neither one of them does that well enough.

[Birdman]

I blame Ainge..did not do the trade to Indy which would got us Turner & McDermott..plus got a washup Teague and Thompson looks out of shape..plus poor drafting over the years doesn’t help

[Androslav]

I blame Ainge..did not do the trade to Indy which would got us Turner & McDermott..plus got a washup Teague and Thompson looks out of shape..plus poor drafting over the years doesn’t help

TP

[celts55]

I don't blame Stevens, but I question a number of his decisions. Last night for example:

I question playing 13 players, 12 early into the 2nd quarter.

I question why Brown and Tatum were both on the bench to start the 4th, when the Spurs went on a run.

I question a lineup of Walker, Smart, Green and the William's. Not sure where the scoring is supposed to come from.

I question why a guy like Teague gets any minutes.

I agree going to the zone was a good decision, grated it was aided by the fact the Spurs kept missing open shots.

I also agree that Danny needs to add some talent. They need someone like say, Gordon Haywood. Seriously, they are in desperate need of another scorer. I question why trader Danny has not picked up that person. At this point, I'd give IT a shot on a cheap contract.

[SparzWizard]

It always is his fault. And partially on Danny Ainge.

And mostly on the players for losing games.

[iadera]

I can agree with all except ''not enough talent'' in our team.

[jambr380]

I can agree with all except ''not enough talent'' in our team.

We keep losing talent year after year. In 2018, we were probably the front runners for the Title (along with GSW); then we lost Kyrie, Horford, Rozier, and Morris and only replaced them with Kemba and Kanter. This past offseason we lost Hayward and we haven't replaced him with anybody.

I get it, Tatum and Brown are getting better, but we don't even have Kemba fully reintegrated back into our line-up, never mind a replacement for Hayward. If we're being honest with ourselves, we are only a very good team right now, not a contender. That could all change if things click (look at MIA last season) or with a big trade; but, as it stands, our ceiling is definitely lower than it was the last two seasons.

[Jiri Welsch]

I can agree with all except ''not enough talent'' in our team.

We keep losing talent year after year. In 2018, we were probably the front runners for the Title (along with GSW); then we lost Kyrie, Horford, Rozier, and Morris and only replaced them with Kemba and Kanter. This past offseason we lost Hayward and we haven't replaced him with anybody.

I get it, Tatum and Brown are getting better, but we don't even have Kemba fully reintegrated back into our line-up, never mind a replacement for Hayward. If we're being honest with ourselves, we are only a very good team right now, not a contender. That could all change if things click (look at MIA last season) or with a big trade; but, as it stands, our ceiling is definitely lower than it was the last two seasons.

I know Hayward is an All-Star level talent, but I don't think we're necessarily worse because of his absence. As long as Tatum and/or Brown are getting the ~14 shots he took per game, I think we're better off. You could make the argument that he's a much better facilitator than those two (and you'd be right)...but Smart, Brown, and Tatum are all getting better in that department. Between now and the end of the year I don't think it will matter much that we lost Hayward.

It's interesting because we have, in theory, 3 guys who are Top 30 players in the NBA. I wonder what other piece we could add that would make us a legitimate contender. Another All-Star wing? An All-Star big (which is very rare)?

Interested in what you think. It really does seem like "develop from within" is our most likely route to success.