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« Reply #30 on: January 14, 2021, 09:07:44 AM »

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« Reply #31 on: January 14, 2021, 09:11:53 AM »

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The OP is just trying to elicit a strong reaction. Obviously we fleeced the Nets, but they weren't really punished for getting fleeced. Because they are in one of the two markets players actually want to be in, they were able to sign two superstars for free w/ another demanding a trade only there. The same thing happened with both LA teams over the last couple of years. If we completed the same trade w/ say, the T-Wolves, they would be still be in utter despair right now.

We look at all of those teams and say 'I can't believe they gave up all of those picks.' But, 1) it was totally worth it since they already signed superstar FAs, and 2) they can just go out and sign superstar FAs again if it doesn't work out...and for LAL, it already totally worked out.

I might just say, one of three markets; LA, Miami, NYC.  Just for reference though, if no one has been to ATL, I love that city and area, would be near the top for me.
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« Reply #32 on: January 14, 2021, 10:05:52 AM »

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Danny fleeced the Nets. Without any inside knowledge, it seems as if other teams have been far more reluctant to trade with Danny since then. The only big trade that I can remember since was when Kyrie demanded out of Cleveland.

Did that Nets trade influence potential free agents into thinking Danny knows what heís doing and has a long term plan? Did those free agents want to be part of that plan? After not being a free agent destination, the Celtics were in serious discussions with Kevin Durant. They actually were able to acquire Al Horford, Gordon Hayward, and Kemba Walker, who were near the top free agents in their class. Kyrie approved a trade to Boston. Obviously, those moves didnít bring a title, but the team has been a contender for years now.

This is the first year the Nets have been considered as contenders, but the playoffs havenít even started yet and that team may implode by then. After trading for Harden, Iím not sure if Kyrie remains with the Nets. Rumor has it, the Nets only signed Kyrie because the team wanted KD. Now that KD is on the team, he is their top priority. Maybe the Nets trade Kyrie now and try to get back some first round picks.

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« Reply #33 on: January 14, 2021, 10:22:00 AM »

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Danny fleeced the Nets. Without any inside knowledge, it seems as if other teams have been far more reluctant to trade with Danny since then. The only big trade that I can remember since was when Kyrie demanded out of Cleveland.

Did that Nets trade influence potential free agents into thinking Danny knows what heís doing and has a long term plan? Did those free agents want to be part of that plan? After not being a free agent destination, the Celtics were in serious discussions with Kevin Durant. They actually were able to acquire Al Horford, Gordon Hayward, and Kemba Walker, who were near the top free agents in their class. Kyrie approved a trade to Boston. Obviously, those moves didnít bring a title, but the team has been a contender for years now.

This is the first year the Nets have been considered as contenders, but the playoffs havenít even started yet and that team may implode by then. After trading for Harden, Iím not sure if Kyrie remains with the Nets. Rumor has it, the Nets only signed Kyrie because the team wanted KD. Now that KD is on the team, he is their top priority. Maybe the Nets trade Kyrie now and try to get back some first round picks.

Maybe, but where could Kyrie go and fit that salary in that would trust him enough to invest picks or a player?

Kyrie's just an unhappy soul.

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« Reply #34 on: January 14, 2021, 10:46:45 AM »

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Danny fleeced the Nets. Without any inside knowledge, it seems as if other teams have been far more reluctant to trade with Danny since then. The only big trade that I can remember since was when Kyrie demanded out of Cleveland.

Did that Nets trade influence potential free agents into thinking Danny knows what heís doing and has a long term plan? Did those free agents want to be part of that plan? After not being a free agent destination, the Celtics were in serious discussions with Kevin Durant. They actually were able to acquire Al Horford, Gordon Hayward, and Kemba Walker, who were near the top free agents in their class. Kyrie approved a trade to Boston. Obviously, those moves didnít bring a title, but the team has been a contender for years now.

This is the first year the Nets have been considered as contenders, but the playoffs havenít even started yet and that team may implode by then. After trading for Harden, Iím not sure if Kyrie remains with the Nets. Rumor has it, the Nets only signed Kyrie because the team wanted KD. Now that KD is on the team, he is their top priority. Maybe the Nets trade Kyrie now and try to get back some first round picks.

Maybe, but where could Kyrie go and fit that salary in that would trust him enough to invest picks or a player?

Kyrie's just an unhappy soul.

Yeah, he canít fit in anywhere as the leader of a team. He just doesnít have it in him.

At the same time, he was unhappy with LeBron, and he seems to be having a hard time on the Nets next to Durant.

Of course, never say never. Kyrie is uber-talented.  James Harden is a headcase, too, and he brought back four #1s plus pick swaps and Caris LeVert.
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« Reply #35 on: January 14, 2021, 10:58:32 AM »

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I know Lebron is a Cs rival but, man, I have no idea how he kept a team that had Kyrie, JR Smith, K Love etc in check mentally and actually win a finals series. Dude must be some sort of Dr. Phil extraordinaire in the locker room.

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« Reply #36 on: January 14, 2021, 11:06:50 AM »

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I know Lebron is a Cs rival but, man, I have no idea how he kept a team that had Kyrie, JR Smith, K Love etc in check mentally and actually win a finals series. Dude must be some sort of Dr. Phil extraordinaire in the locker room.

He led a team of prickly personalities last year, too.  D12, Rondo, Smith, Waiters, Markieff, DMC for awhile.  Sure, they were all role players, but nobody made a peep.  Itís an underrated talent of his.

He canít save every team ó the post-Kyrie Cavs were a chemistry disaster, and Lebron played a part ó but heís way better than most.
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« Reply #37 on: January 14, 2021, 11:27:11 AM »

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Weíve been to 3 ECF since the trade. Theyíve been to zero. We have 2 under-25 studs, a perennial all-star in Kemba, proven vet role players, and a couple promising young players.

Nets havenít done anything in the playoffs since the trade and had three stars collude to get together.

One was strategy, the other was happenstance. Ainge broke up his aging team and built it from the ground up on the backbone of that trade. I doubt King said letís shoot our shot now because we will have 3 superstars come here in 8 years.

Regardless of what happens in the coming years, itís one of the most lopsided trades in NBA history.
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« Reply #38 on: January 14, 2021, 11:54:16 AM »

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I know Lebron is a Cs rival but, man, I have no idea how he kept a team that had Kyrie, JR Smith, K Love etc in check mentally and actually win a finals series. Dude must be some sort of Dr. Phil extraordinaire in the locker room.
Or he is just that good on the basketball court.
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« Reply #39 on: January 14, 2021, 12:48:10 PM »

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I know Lebron is a Cs rival but, man, I have no idea how he kept a team that had Kyrie, JR Smith, K Love etc in check mentally and actually win a finals series. Dude must be some sort of Dr. Phil extraordinaire in the locker room.
Or he is just that good on the basketball court.
Why can't it be both ???
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« Reply #40 on: January 14, 2021, 12:49:37 PM »

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I know Lebron is a Cs rival but, man, I have no idea how he kept a team that had Kyrie, JR Smith, K Love etc in check mentally and actually win a finals series. Dude must be some sort of Dr. Phil extraordinaire in the locker room.
He led a team of prickly personalities last year, too.  D12, Rondo, Smith, Waiters, Markieff, DMC for awhile.  Sure, they were all role players, but nobody made a peep.  Itís an underrated talent of his.

He canít save every team ó the post-Kyrie Cavs were a chemistry disaster, and Lebron played a part ó but heís way better than most.
And he still managed to drag that post-Kyrie Cavs team to the finals even with a busted dressing room - that run is a testament to how crazy his blend of on court greatness and off-court leadership is.
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« Reply #41 on: January 16, 2021, 03:23:57 PM »

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Someone else can check my math but I believe in the 7+ seasons since the trade, the Celtics are 326-249 (.567) and the Nets are 235-342 (.407). The Celtics have won 37 playoff games, the Nets have won 8.

It seems a stretch to me to judge a trade by the position the teams are in 8 years after the deal but let's look at this season: The Celtics have the best record in the East early in the season and two of the best under 25 players in the league while the Nets are super talented with a roster that includes two of the most troublesome stars in the NBA.

Yeah, the Celtics fleeced the Nets in the trade.
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« Reply #42 on: January 16, 2021, 03:56:38 PM »

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I know Lebron is a Cs rival but, man, I have no idea how he kept a team that had Kyrie, JR Smith, K Love etc in check mentally and actually win a finals series. Dude must be some sort of Dr. Phil extraordinaire in the locker room.
Or he is just that good on the basketball court.
Why can't it be both ???

If Draymond Green didn't get suspended, they would've lost in 5 games. It was more about the Warriors choking though.

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« Reply #43 on: January 18, 2021, 11:31:32 PM »

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We did but its gonna be hilarious when they win a title before Danny anyways.  He is starting to be a loser gm that worries only about being  marginallycompetitive for ownership and attendance revenue.

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« Reply #44 on: January 19, 2021, 10:29:14 AM »

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Food for thought: In the absence of the trade with the Nets, perhaps we make 1-2 more mediocre runs with KG/Pierce/Rondo followed by a complete demolition/rebuild that still results in us eventually securing 2-3 of the following: Simmons, Ingram, or Jaylen; Tatum; Doncic.

Ultimately, what is different? 2-3 conference championship appearances? No Kyrie drama? Perhaps instead of those it would have been better to see PP/KG retire as Celtics followed by having an even better young core today...