Rookie Leaders

[Darth_Yoda]

Haliburton hurts me.

I wanted him so bad. Of course he wouldnt play here because he isnt ready. But still.

Yay for PP.

naw. He would have played

Haliburton and PP would have been dynamite

hey!

let me have this!!!!

It helps with the sting that we were so close to having Haliburton

HE WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN ABLE TO PLAY HERE!!!

[Goldstar88]

Notice all the top rookies are on thin roster bottom teams.

Weird how early opportunities lead to higher counting stats.

Lists are cool though I like lists.

You forgot the, “notice how the top picks are performing better then the players selected later in the draft.” TP for the insight

I think Chilly's point is that bad teams will play rookies, regardless. What is amazing is that Pritchard is doing so well despite playing with great players and actual expectations. We saw what he did last night with no depth at PG. He would be in the running for rookie of the year with that type of opportunity every game.

I was also bummed out about Haliburton - even more so knowing that it's evidently going to take Nesmith time to figure it out - but he and FPP play the same position and I'm not totally sure who is better.

Nesmith was a terrible pick, but Danny has been terrible drafting in the 10-20 range his entire career as far as I can remember..

Think it’s too early to say that, he does look a bit lost out there, though.. Too bad there isn’t a G-League this year. There are a few things that I do like about Nesmith. At 6’6” 215lbs he’s bigger than both Vassell and Haliburton who are both 6’5” and under 200lbs. I also was surprised at how athletic Nesmith is. He’s a quick leaper and his vertical is reportedly over 40”.

[perks-a-beast]

Taking Nesmith over Bey will haunt us for years to come, I think. Bey is looking like the exact kind of stretch 4 we desperately need, and I think Nesmiths ceiling is a Reggie Bullock/Wayne Ellingotn type, and he's years away from even being that.

[Darth_Yoda]

Taking Nesmith over Bey will haunt us for years to come, I think. Bey is looking like the exact kind of stretch 4 we desperately need, and I think Nesmiths ceiling is a Reggie Bullock/Wayne Ellingotn type, and he's years away from even being that.

Nesmith is more Herro than Bullock.

Nesmith will be better than Bey.

[footey]

Lists of rookie performances before the first 10 games is fun, but pretty worthless.

Where was Jaylen Brown ranked in those stats after his first 8 games rookie year? I don't even need to look it up to know that he probably wouldn't even show up.  Not to mention that some of the guys who did show up are frankly not very good today.  Just a hunch. Too lazy to look up and confirm though.

Please be patient with Nesmith.  The stats and video from college don't lie.  He has great work ethic, unlike other guys who disappointed (e.g. James Young).   And don't forget he stopped playing early due to broken foot, so has been out of game action even longer than the others.  I still expect big contribution from him, if not this season, next.  Once Romeo returns, and if Semi continues to play at this level, minutes will be tough to come by for Aaron this season.

[wdleehi]

I wonder how much those lists might have changes if the rookies actually had an offseason with the team? 

A summer league and preseason to help start the adjustment period.   

[hwangjini_1]

Notice all the top rookies are on thin roster bottom teams.

Weird how early opportunities lead to higher counting stats.

Lists are cool though I like lists.

You forgot the, “notice how the top picks are performing better then the players selected later in the draft.” TP for the insight

I think Chilly's point is that bad teams will play rookies, regardless. What is amazing is that Pritchard is doing so well despite playing with great players and actual expectations. We saw what he did last night with no depth at PG. He would be in the running for rookie of the year with that type of opportunity every game.

I was also bummed out about Haliburton - even more so knowing that it's evidently going to take Nesmith time to figure it out - but he and FPP play the same position and I'm not totally sure who is better.

Nesmith was a terrible pick, but Danny has been terrible drafting in the 10-20 range his entire career as far as I can remember..

1. let's not rush to judgement nesmith who has played less than 20 organized basketball games in the past year.

2. ainge drafted:
al jefferson #15
avery bradlye #19
terry rozier #16

you might want to toss in olynyk, though not drafted by the celtics they wanted them
 
in addition, from #21 on in the first round ainge drafted:
delonte west
tony allen
jared sullinger
robert williams
grant williams
pritchard

[nickagneta]

Notice all the top rookies are on thin roster bottom teams.

Weird how early opportunities lead to higher counting stats.

Lists are cool though I like lists.

You forgot the, “notice how the top picks are performing better then the players selected later in the draft.” TP for the insight

I think Chilly's point is that bad teams will play rookies, regardless. What is amazing is that Pritchard is doing so well despite playing with great players and actual expectations. We saw what he did last night with no depth at PG. He would be in the running for rookie of the year with that type of opportunity every game.

I was also bummed out about Haliburton - even more so knowing that it's evidently going to take Nesmith time to figure it out - but he and FPP play the same position and I'm not totally sure who is better.

Nesmith was a terrible pick, but Danny has been terrible drafting in the 10-20 range his entire career as far as I can remember..

1. let's not rush to judgement nesmith who has played less than 20 organized basketball games in the past year.

2. ainge drafted:
al jefferson #15
avery bradlye #19
terry rozier #16

you might want to toss in olynyk, though not drafted by the celtics they wanted them
 
in addition, from #21 on in the first round ainge drafted:
delonte west
tony allen
jared sullinger
robert williams
grant williams
pritchard

You are forgetting Rondo.

[footey]

Notice all the top rookies are on thin roster bottom teams.

Weird how early opportunities lead to higher counting stats.

Lists are cool though I like lists.

You forgot the, “notice how the top picks are performing better then the players selected later in the draft.” TP for the insight

I think Chilly's point is that bad teams will play rookies, regardless. What is amazing is that Pritchard is doing so well despite playing with great players and actual expectations. We saw what he did last night with no depth at PG. He would be in the running for rookie of the year with that type of opportunity every game.

I was also bummed out about Haliburton - even more so knowing that it's evidently going to take Nesmith time to figure it out - but he and FPP play the same position and I'm not totally sure who is better.

Nesmith was a terrible pick, but Danny has been terrible drafting in the 10-20 range his entire career as far as I can remember..

1. let's not rush to judgement nesmith who has played less than 20 organized basketball games in the past year.

2. ainge drafted:
al jefferson #15
avery bradlye #19
terry rozier #16

you might want to toss in olynyk, though not drafted by the celtics they wanted them
 
in addition, from #21 on in the first round ainge drafted:
delonte west
tony allen
jared sullinger
robert williams
grant williams
pritchard

You are forgetting Rondo.

terrible pick.

LOL

[Goldstar88]

Notice all the top rookies are on thin roster bottom teams.

Weird how early opportunities lead to higher counting stats.

Lists are cool though I like lists.

You forgot the, “notice how the top picks are performing better then the players selected later in the draft.” TP for the insight

I think Chilly's point is that bad teams will play rookies, regardless. What is amazing is that Pritchard is doing so well despite playing with great players and actual expectations. We saw what he did last night with no depth at PG. He would be in the running for rookie of the year with that type of opportunity every game.

I was also bummed out about Haliburton - even more so knowing that it's evidently going to take Nesmith time to figure it out - but he and FPP play the same position and I'm not totally sure who is better.

Nesmith was a terrible pick, but Danny has been terrible drafting in the 10-20 range his entire career as far as I can remember..

1. let's not rush to judgement nesmith who has played less than 20 organized basketball games in the past year.

2. ainge drafted:
al jefferson #15
avery bradlye #19
terry rozier #16

you might want to toss in olynyk, though not drafted by the celtics they wanted them
 
in addition, from #21 on in the first round ainge drafted:
delonte west
tony allen
jared sullinger
robert williams
grant williams
pritchard

I’m sorry, but his drafting is definitely below average. Almost all those guys are bench players. The only picks outside the top 5 that would have been legit starting quality players for almost any team would be Big Al and Rondo in their prime. Rondo was also a draft night trade from Phoenix. Think Danny made/kept 16 first round picks outside of the top 5 since he became GM. First draft being in 2004. Also, I understand that the 2nd round is a complete crapshoot, but with that being said, I can’t think of A single 2nd round pick made by DA that  ended up working out.

[gouki88]

Notice all the top rookies are on thin roster bottom teams.

Weird how early opportunities lead to higher counting stats.

Lists are cool though I like lists.

You forgot the, “notice how the top picks are performing better then the players selected later in the draft.” TP for the insight

I think Chilly's point is that bad teams will play rookies, regardless. What is amazing is that Pritchard is doing so well despite playing with great players and actual expectations. We saw what he did last night with no depth at PG. He would be in the running for rookie of the year with that type of opportunity every game.

I was also bummed out about Haliburton - even more so knowing that it's evidently going to take Nesmith time to figure it out - but he and FPP play the same position and I'm not totally sure who is better.

Nesmith was a terrible pick, but Danny has been terrible drafting in the 10-20 range his entire career as far as I can remember..

1. let's not rush to judgement nesmith who has played less than 20 organized basketball games in the past year.

2. ainge drafted:
al jefferson #15
avery bradlye #19
terry rozier #16

you might want to toss in olynyk, though not drafted by the celtics they wanted them
 
in addition, from #21 on in the first round ainge drafted:
delonte west
tony allen
jared sullinger
robert williams
grant williams
pritchard

I’m sorry, but his drafting is definitely below average. Almost all those guys are bench players. The only picks outside the top 5 that would have been legit starting quality players for almost any team would be Big Al and Rondo in their prime. Rondo was also a draft night trade from Phoenix. Think Danny made/kept 16 first round picks outside of the top 5 since he became GM. First draft being in 2004. Also, I understand that the 2nd round is a complete crapshoot, but with that being said, I can’t think of A single 2nd round pick made by DA that  ended up working out.

Tony Allen, Avery Bradley and Terry Rozier were all starters on teams that made deep playoff runs

[Goldstar88]

Notice all the top rookies are on thin roster bottom teams.

Weird how early opportunities lead to higher counting stats.

Lists are cool though I like lists.

You forgot the, “notice how the top picks are performing better then the players selected later in the draft.” TP for the insight

I think Chilly's point is that bad teams will play rookies, regardless. What is amazing is that Pritchard is doing so well despite playing with great players and actual expectations. We saw what he did last night with no depth at PG. He would be in the running for rookie of the year with that type of opportunity every game.

I was also bummed out about Haliburton - even more so knowing that it's evidently going to take Nesmith time to figure it out - but he and FPP play the same position and I'm not totally sure who is better.

Nesmith was a terrible pick, but Danny has been terrible drafting in the 10-20 range his entire career as far as I can remember..

1. let's not rush to judgement nesmith who has played less than 20 organized basketball games in the past year.

2. ainge drafted:
al jefferson #15
avery bradlye #19
terry rozier #16

you might want to toss in olynyk, though not drafted by the celtics they wanted them
 
in addition, from #21 on in the first round ainge drafted:
delonte west
tony allen
jared sullinger
robert williams
grant williams
pritchard

I’m sorry, but his drafting is definitely below average. Almost all those guys are bench players. The only picks outside the top 5 that would have been legit starting quality players for almost any team would be Big Al and Rondo in their prime. Rondo was also a draft night trade from Phoenix. Think Danny made/kept 16 first round picks outside of the top 5 since he became GM. First draft being in 2004. Also, I understand that the 2nd round is a complete crapshoot, but with that being said, I can’t think of A single 2nd round pick made by DA that  ended up working out.

Tony Allen, Avery Bradley and Terry Rozier were all starters on teams that made deep playoff runs

I didn’t say that they haven’t started before, I’m just saying that they are more role players than true starters. Even in their prime, I think those guys are like a 6 man. Wouldn’t start on most teams.

[Wretch]

Notice all the top rookies are on thin roster bottom teams.

Weird how early opportunities lead to higher counting stats.

Lists are cool though I like lists.

You forgot the, “notice how the top picks are performing better then the players selected later in the draft.” TP for the insight

I think Chilly's point is that bad teams will play rookies, regardless. What is amazing is that Pritchard is doing so well despite playing with great players and actual expectations. We saw what he did last night with no depth at PG. He would be in the running for rookie of the year with that type of opportunity every game.

I was also bummed out about Haliburton - even more so knowing that it's evidently going to take Nesmith time to figure it out - but he and FPP play the same position and I'm not totally sure who is better.

Nesmith was a terrible pick, but Danny has been terrible drafting in the 10-20 range his entire career as far as I can remember..

1. let's not rush to judgement nesmith who has played less than 20 organized basketball games in the past year.

2. ainge drafted:
al jefferson #15
avery bradlye #19
terry rozier #16

you might want to toss in olynyk, though not drafted by the celtics they wanted them
 
in addition, from #21 on in the first round ainge drafted:
delonte west
tony allen
jared sullinger
robert williams
grant williams
pritchard

I’m sorry, but his drafting is definitely below average. Almost all those guys are bench players. The only picks outside the top 5 that would have been legit starting quality players for almost any team would be Big Al and Rondo in their prime. Rondo was also a draft night trade from Phoenix. Think Danny made/kept 16 first round picks outside of the top 5 since he became GM. First draft being in 2004. Also, I understand that the 2nd round is a complete crapshoot, but with that being said, I can’t think of A single 2nd round pick made by DA that  ended up working out.

Tony Allen, Avery Bradley and Terry Rozier were all starters on teams that made deep playoff runs

I didn’t say that they haven’t started before, I’m just saying that they are more role players than true starters. Even in their prime, I think those guys are like a 6 man. Wouldn’t start on most teams.

If you think that DA is a bad at drafting players when looking at that list then I think you have unrealistic expectations surrounding the draft as a whole.  Most players drafted outside the lottery don't see a second contract let alone become starters on playoff teams.  Many lottery players wash out of the league. DA has drafted well in the lottery and outside it.  Players like Rondo, Giannis and Middleton (all-stars drafted outside the lottery) are the rare exceptions to the rule.

Do I wish the DA had drafted GA over KO, yes, but that's really easy opinion to have with hindsight. 

DA is one the top 3 or 4 GMs in the NBA.

All of this is a bit OT.  PP has been great but the ROY is basically a PPG exercise.  I expect Edwards to get it since MN is going to give him plenty of shots (for good or for bad).

[Goldstar88]

Notice all the top rookies are on thin roster bottom teams.

Weird how early opportunities lead to higher counting stats.

Lists are cool though I like lists.

You forgot the, “notice how the top picks are performing better then the players selected later in the draft.” TP for the insight

I think Chilly's point is that bad teams will play rookies, regardless. What is amazing is that Pritchard is doing so well despite playing with great players and actual expectations. We saw what he did last night with no depth at PG. He would be in the running for rookie of the year with that type of opportunity every game.

I was also bummed out about Haliburton - even more so knowing that it's evidently going to take Nesmith time to figure it out - but he and FPP play the same position and I'm not totally sure who is better.

Nesmith was a terrible pick, but Danny has been terrible drafting in the 10-20 range his entire career as far as I can remember..

1. let's not rush to judgement nesmith who has played less than 20 organized basketball games in the past year.

2. ainge drafted:
al jefferson #15
avery bradlye #19
terry rozier #16

you might want to toss in olynyk, though not drafted by the celtics they wanted them
 
in addition, from #21 on in the first round ainge drafted:
delonte west
tony allen
jared sullinger
robert williams
grant williams
pritchard

I’m sorry, but his drafting is definitely below average. Almost all those guys are bench players. The only picks outside the top 5 that would have been legit starting quality players for almost any team would be Big Al and Rondo in their prime. Rondo was also a draft night trade from Phoenix. Think Danny made/kept 16 first round picks outside of the top 5 since he became GM. First draft being in 2004. Also, I understand that the 2nd round is a complete crapshoot, but with that being said, I can’t think of A single 2nd round pick made by DA that  ended up working out.

Tony Allen, Avery Bradley and Terry Rozier were all starters on teams that made deep playoff runs

I didn’t say that they haven’t started before, I’m just saying that they are more role players than true starters. Even in their prime, I think those guys are like a 6 man. Wouldn’t start on most teams.

If you think that DA is a bad at drafting players when looking at that list then I think you have unrealistic expectations surrounding the draft as a whole.  Most players drafted outside the lottery don't see a second contract let alone become starters on playoff teams.  Many lottery players wash out of the league. DA has drafted well in the lottery and outside it.  Players like Rondo, Giannis and Middleton (all-stars drafted outside the lottery) are the rare exceptions to the rule.

Do I wish the DA had drafted GA over KO, yes, but that's really easy opinion to have with hindsight. 

DA is one the top 3 or 4 GMs in the NBA.

All of this is a bit OT.  PP has been great but the ROY is basically a PPG exercise.  I expect Edwards to get it since MN is going to give him plenty of shots (for good or for bad).

I never said that DA was a bad GM. He’s a very good GM. I simply said that he is a below average at drafting. By comparison in that same Time Span, Denver , who has done a good job drafting players outside of the top 10 have selected:

Michael Porter Jr #14
Juan Hernangomez #15
Malik Beasley #19
Nikola Jokic #41
Evan Fournier #20
Kenneth Farried #22

[gouki88]

Notice all the top rookies are on thin roster bottom teams.

Weird how early opportunities lead to higher counting stats.

Lists are cool though I like lists.

You forgot the, “notice how the top picks are performing better then the players selected later in the draft.” TP for the insight

I think Chilly's point is that bad teams will play rookies, regardless. What is amazing is that Pritchard is doing so well despite playing with great players and actual expectations. We saw what he did last night with no depth at PG. He would be in the running for rookie of the year with that type of opportunity every game.

I was also bummed out about Haliburton - even more so knowing that it's evidently going to take Nesmith time to figure it out - but he and FPP play the same position and I'm not totally sure who is better.

Nesmith was a terrible pick, but Danny has been terrible drafting in the 10-20 range his entire career as far as I can remember..

1. let's not rush to judgement nesmith who has played less than 20 organized basketball games in the past year.

2. ainge drafted:
al jefferson #15
avery bradlye #19
terry rozier #16

you might want to toss in olynyk, though not drafted by the celtics they wanted them
 
in addition, from #21 on in the first round ainge drafted:
delonte west
tony allen
jared sullinger
robert williams
grant williams
pritchard

I’m sorry, but his drafting is definitely below average. Almost all those guys are bench players. The only picks outside the top 5 that would have been legit starting quality players for almost any team would be Big Al and Rondo in their prime. Rondo was also a draft night trade from Phoenix. Think Danny made/kept 16 first round picks outside of the top 5 since he became GM. First draft being in 2004. Also, I understand that the 2nd round is a complete crapshoot, but with that being said, I can’t think of A single 2nd round pick made by DA that  ended up working out.

Tony Allen, Avery Bradley and Terry Rozier were all starters on teams that made deep playoff runs

I didn’t say that they haven’t started before, I’m just saying that they are more role players than true starters. Even in their prime, I think those guys are like a 6 man. Wouldn’t start on most teams.

If you think that DA is a bad at drafting players when looking at that list then I think you have unrealistic expectations surrounding the draft as a whole.  Most players drafted outside the lottery don't see a second contract let alone become starters on playoff teams.  Many lottery players wash out of the league. DA has drafted well in the lottery and outside it.  Players like Rondo, Giannis and Middleton (all-stars drafted outside the lottery) are the rare exceptions to the rule.

Do I wish the DA had drafted GA over KO, yes, but that's really easy opinion to have with hindsight. 

DA is one the top 3 or 4 GMs in the NBA.

All of this is a bit OT.  PP has been great but the ROY is basically a PPG exercise.  I expect Edwards to get it since MN is going to give him plenty of shots (for good or for bad).

I never said that DA was a bad GM. He’s a very good GM. I simply said that he is a below average at drafting. By comparison in that same Time Span, Denver , who has done a good job drafting players outside of the top 10 have selected:

Michael Porter Jr #14
Juan Hernangomez #15
Malik Beasley #19
Nikola Jokic #41
Evan Fournier #20
Kenneth Farried #22

How much do you attribute to drafting vs internal development due to coaching?