Should the Celtics trade Daniel Theis?

[Moranis]

Wouldn't be against trading anybody for the right price. Here's a trade I'd do involving Theis.

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Troy Brown is a 6'6'' playmaker who ain't athletic enough to defend opposing PGs, hence he defends opposing wings. To put it another way, he's a PG on offense and a wing on defense. The Wizards were using him as a 3+D wing last season. That's not his role. He needs the ball in his hands in order to maximize his effectiveness. Is he the ideal fit next to Tatum and Brown? No, he isn't. That being said, I miss Hayward's passing ability. Troy Brown is (very) poor man's Hayward.

Moritz Wagner is a modern big who can play on the perimeter. He can pop from 3pt range. He can roll to the basket. He can post up. He can even put the ball on the floor a little bit. None of our current Centers can consistently shoot the 3 and/or create their own shot. Wagner has the potential to become a useful stretch big in the future. Problem is, he's a below average defender.

Let's face it, the C's aren't legit contenders. Not with Kemba battling a chronic injury anyway. The sooner we start building around the Js the better. It's possible that both Troy Brown and Wagner will end up being busts. I'd be willing to take that risk. I mean, it's not like Theis is a world-beater. Not to mention, we'd dump Edwards' 2-year guaranteed contract. Personally speaking, I have zero expectations for Edwards. At this point, I view him pretty much as dead salary.

Why for the Wizards?
Cause they wanna make the playoffs. They are in win-now mode with Westbrook and Beal on their payroll. Troy Brown, Wagner and Edwards are reclamation projects. Theis is a battle-hardened vet who perfectly complements their roster. None of their current Centers can play D on the perimeter. Plus, they drafted Avdija at #9 who's a similar player to Troy Brown.

That's a trade I'd make. Troy Brown Jr is very young, he can really develop a nice allround game.

I'm not sure trading Theis away for these players that would make the Celtics even younger and less experienced overall. The C's need more veteran depth....not less.

more veteran depth to do what, lose in the 2nd round?

[td450]

The only other rotation players who could possibly play power forward are Jaylen Brown, Grant Williams and Semi Ojelele.

We are asking Theis to adapt to a position he has never played in the NBA.  It's a big change to go from center, where he is quicker than almost everyone he plays, to power forward, where lots of guys are quicker than him. Give him 20 games before giving up on him.

There may be an opportunity at the trade deadline to get a starting power forward, but that is the primary need this team has. We cannot let Theis go for any other value proposition. If you don't like what Theis is bringing to the position, I doubt you will consider Grant Williams the solution, unless he somehow makes a major leap, and that would only work against smaller lineups. We need him.

[Roy H.]

Wouldn't be against trading anybody for the right price. Here's a trade I'd do involving Theis.

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Troy Brown is a 6'6'' playmaker who ain't athletic enough to defend opposing PGs, hence he defends opposing wings. To put it another way, he's a PG on offense and a wing on defense. The Wizards were using him as a 3+D wing last season. That's not his role. He needs the ball in his hands in order to maximize his effectiveness. Is he the ideal fit next to Tatum and Brown? No, he isn't. That being said, I miss Hayward's passing ability. Troy Brown is (very) poor man's Hayward.

Moritz Wagner is a modern big who can play on the perimeter. He can pop from 3pt range. He can roll to the basket. He can post up. He can even put the ball on the floor a little bit. None of our current Centers can consistently shoot the 3 and/or create their own shot. Wagner has the potential to become a useful stretch big in the future. Problem is, he's a below average defender.

Let's face it, the C's aren't legit contenders. Not with Kemba battling a chronic injury anyway. The sooner we start building around the Js the better. It's possible that both Troy Brown and Wagner will end up being busts. I'd be willing to take that risk. I mean, it's not like Theis is a world-beater. Not to mention, we'd dump Edwards' 2-year guaranteed contract. Personally speaking, I have zero expectations for Edwards. At this point, I view him pretty much as dead salary.

Why for the Wizards?
Cause they wanna make the playoffs. They are in win-now mode with Westbrook and Beal on their payroll. Troy Brown, Wagner and Edwards are reclamation projects. Theis is a battle-hardened vet who perfectly complements their roster. None of their current Centers can play D on the perimeter. Plus, they drafted Avdija at #9 who's a similar player to Troy Brown.

That's a trade I'd make. Troy Brown Jr is very young, he can really develop a nice allround game.

I'm not sure trading Theis away for these players that would make the Celtics even younger and less experienced overall. The C's need more veteran depth....not less.

more veteran depth to do what, lose in the 2nd round?

To make the team better.  What good does adding even more young, mediocre talent do?

[boscel33]

The only other rotation players who could possibly play power forward are Jaylen Brown, Grant Williams and Semi Ojelele.

We are asking Theis to adapt to a position he has never played in the NBA.  It's a big change to go from center, where he is quicker than almost everyone he plays, to power forward, where lots of guys are quicker than him. Give him 20 games before giving up on him.

There may be an opportunity at the trade deadline to get a starting power forward, but that is the primary need this team has. We cannot let Theis go for any other value proposition. If you don't like what Theis is bringing to the position, I doubt you will consider Grant Williams the solution, unless he somehow makes a major leap, and that would only work against smaller lineups. We need him.

I don't see that Brown could play PF.  Tatum maybe, but not Brown.

[Kuberski33]

Again - instead of looking at it just from the Celtics standpoint, what is the value to any team of getting Theis on an expiring contract?  So he's a short term stop gap and then you lose him.

Anyone watch last season?  Celtics defense was one of best in league and he was a big reason why.  Yes he struggles against elite bigs, which is why they got Thompson.  But he's still the same guy.

Maybe he can't play alongside Thompson, but Brad is still experimenting with lineups.  We need a 3 headed center because Thompson (as we saw last night) is going to be managed to get him through the season.

[PAOBoston]

The only other rotation players who could possibly play power forward are Jaylen Brown, Grant Williams and Semi Ojelele.

We are asking Theis to adapt to a position he has never played in the NBA.  It's a big change to go from center, where he is quicker than almost everyone he plays, to power forward, where lots of guys are quicker than him. Give him 20 games before giving up on him.

There may be an opportunity at the trade deadline to get a starting power forward, but that is the primary need this team has. We cannot let Theis go for any other value proposition. If you don't like what Theis is bringing to the position, I doubt you will consider Grant Williams the solution, unless he somehow makes a major leap, and that would only work against smaller lineups. We need him.

I don't see that Brown could play PF.  Tatum maybe, but not Brown.

In small ball lineups in short spurts he could do it. But this team needs another wing/swing guy to plug next to Brown and Tatum. Trying to fit Theis there may or may not work but it isn’t a natural fit. The other options on the roster like G Williams are not viable. Grant has looked awful so far. I don’t know if it’s just nearly season rust or whatever but he has been poor on both sides.

[BitterJim]

He's by no means untouchable, but we shouldn't trade him just to trade him. We would need to get a legitimate rotation player (preferably at wing or PF) plus emergency depth at C, and we would need to be getting the best player in the deal. We're building not rebuilding, getting worse to pick up future assets isn't a good idea.

I would see what we would need to add to do a deal centered around Theis for PJ Tucker

[BMark]

Again - instead of looking at it just from the Celtics standpoint, what is the value to any team of getting Theis on an expiring contract?  So he's a short term stop gap and then you lose him.

Anyone watch last season?  Celtics defense was one of best in league and he was a big reason why.  Yes he struggles against elite bigs, which is why they got Thompson.  But he's still the same guy.

Maybe he can't play alongside Thompson, but Brad is still experimenting with lineups.  We need a 3 headed center because Thompson (as we saw last night) is going to be managed to get him through the season.

But wouldn't Team B have Theis' Bird Rights?

I could see a Theis for PJ Tucker trade.  Tucker is pushing for a long term deal with Houston, and I can't imagine Houston wanting to be stuck with a long term deal for Tucker if Houston is going to trade Harden

[slamtheking]

Wouldn't be against trading anybody for the right price. Here's a trade I'd do involving Theis.

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Troy Brown is a 6'6'' playmaker who ain't athletic enough to defend opposing PGs, hence he defends opposing wings. To put it another way, he's a PG on offense and a wing on defense. The Wizards were using him as a 3+D wing last season. That's not his role. He needs the ball in his hands in order to maximize his effectiveness. Is he the ideal fit next to Tatum and Brown? No, he isn't. That being said, I miss Hayward's passing ability. Troy Brown is (very) poor man's Hayward.

Moritz Wagner is a modern big who can play on the perimeter. He can pop from 3pt range. He can roll to the basket. He can post up. He can even put the ball on the floor a little bit. None of our current Centers can consistently shoot the 3 and/or create their own shot. Wagner has the potential to become a useful stretch big in the future. Problem is, he's a below average defender.

Let's face it, the C's aren't legit contenders. Not with Kemba battling a chronic injury anyway. The sooner we start building around the Js the better. It's possible that both Troy Brown and Wagner will end up being busts. I'd be willing to take that risk. I mean, it's not like Theis is a world-beater. Not to mention, we'd dump Edwards' 2-year guaranteed contract. Personally speaking, I have zero expectations for Edwards. At this point, I view him pretty much as dead salary.

Why for the Wizards?
Cause they wanna make the playoffs. They are in win-now mode with Westbrook and Beal on their payroll. Troy Brown, Wagner and Edwards are reclamation projects. Theis is a battle-hardened vet who perfectly complements their roster. None of their current Centers can play D on the perimeter. Plus, they drafted Avdija at #9 who's a similar player to Troy Brown.

That's a trade I'd make. Troy Brown Jr is very young, he can really develop a nice allround game.

I'm not sure trading Theis away for these players that would make the Celtics even younger and less experienced overall. The C's need more veteran depth....not less.

more veteran depth to do what, lose in the 2nd round?

and these 2 guys would get them to the ECF?  I think not.

Theis provides solid depth at center.  he's off to a bad start this year but he's shown his worth prior to the start of this season

[ETNCeltics]

Makes zero sense. We're not getting anything significant for Theis, and if we were to trade him, we're one injury or covid test away from Tacko Fall being our backup big.

Even so, putting Theis and TT out there together is a no go. The offense is much better, the floor is more open when only one of them is out there.

[Moranis]

Wouldn't be against trading anybody for the right price. Here's a trade I'd do involving Theis.

(click on image to enlarge)



Troy Brown is a 6'6'' playmaker who ain't athletic enough to defend opposing PGs, hence he defends opposing wings. To put it another way, he's a PG on offense and a wing on defense. The Wizards were using him as a 3+D wing last season. That's not his role. He needs the ball in his hands in order to maximize his effectiveness. Is he the ideal fit next to Tatum and Brown? No, he isn't. That being said, I miss Hayward's passing ability. Troy Brown is (very) poor man's Hayward.

Moritz Wagner is a modern big who can play on the perimeter. He can pop from 3pt range. He can roll to the basket. He can post up. He can even put the ball on the floor a little bit. None of our current Centers can consistently shoot the 3 and/or create their own shot. Wagner has the potential to become a useful stretch big in the future. Problem is, he's a below average defender.

Let's face it, the C's aren't legit contenders. Not with Kemba battling a chronic injury anyway. The sooner we start building around the Js the better. It's possible that both Troy Brown and Wagner will end up being busts. I'd be willing to take that risk. I mean, it's not like Theis is a world-beater. Not to mention, we'd dump Edwards' 2-year guaranteed contract. Personally speaking, I have zero expectations for Edwards. At this point, I view him pretty much as dead salary.

Why for the Wizards?
Cause they wanna make the playoffs. They are in win-now mode with Westbrook and Beal on their payroll. Troy Brown, Wagner and Edwards are reclamation projects. Theis is a battle-hardened vet who perfectly complements their roster. None of their current Centers can play D on the perimeter. Plus, they drafted Avdija at #9 who's a similar player to Troy Brown.

That's a trade I'd make. Troy Brown Jr is very young, he can really develop a nice allround game.

I'm not sure trading Theis away for these players that would make the Celtics even younger and less experienced overall. The C's need more veteran depth....not less.

more veteran depth to do what, lose in the 2nd round?

To make the team better.  What good does adding even more young, mediocre talent do?

depends on if they can be a part of a contender in 3 or 4 years, when Tatum and Brown are in their prime and thus better able to anchor an actual contender.  I have no idea if Brown or Wagner can be solid rotational pieces then, but I don't think Theis or Edwards would be so I'd at least be open to that sort of move. 

[Rikibellevie]

There is no interest trading just him but he is one of the most probable player to include in a bigest trade. He is expriring, can produce correctly in a team at least this year an we have already two bigs who play well and are secured for next year. We would have to find a 3rd stringe big to avoid Tacko being n2 with an injury. So yes it's a big possibility that he will be in a trade, but just as a part of the trade for the TPE guy.

[Jvalin]

There is no interest trading just him but he is one of the most probable player to include in a bigest trade. He is expriring, can produce correctly in a team at least this year an we have already two bigs who play well and are secured for next year. We would have to find a 3rd stringe big to avoid Tacko being n2 with an injury. So yes it's a big possibility that he will be in a trade, but just as a part of the trade for the TPE guy.

We also got Grant Williams who can provide cover at Center. He played 35% of his minutes at Center last season.

https://cleaningtheglass.com/stats/player/4593/positions#tab-team_efficiency

[footey]

Unless we can get a really good power forward by only including Theis (such as Harrison Barnes or Aaron Gordon), I just don't understand everyone's eagerness to suddenly trade Theis.  He is on a great contract, fits well into our system. Plus of all our bigs (Theis, TT and TL), Theis is the only one who can play some power forward; he just has to get his stroke/confidence in his 3 point shot. 

[wdleehi]

It is just too early to move on from Theis this year.  There needs to be more time to see Time Lord keep improving and stay on the court ( health wise).   Plus with Thomas (and hopefully soon Kemba) not playing back to back games, he is needed.