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Re: Warriors aren’t contenders anymore.
« Reply #30 on: December 23, 2020, 07:32:01 AM »

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Wow - A lot of takes after one game. If Klay were playing this season they could have been a top 5 in the west, and they would have had a legitimate shot at winning the west. Most NBA pundits agreed on that. Obviously losing Klay changed everything.

Re: Warriors aren’t contenders anymore.
« Reply #31 on: December 23, 2020, 08:13:47 AM »

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So one game with them missing their second best player makes them a non-contender? ???
They were never a contender.  I didn't even have them in the playoffs this year though could certainly still see them there, but anyone that thought they were a realistic contender was kidding themselves.  The roster just isn't very good outside of Curry (and yes I'm including Green as I believe he is washed).
Their roster is definitely fine outside of Curry, having two stars who're out injured does that to a team.
Klay isn't going to play this year though, he isn't on the roster as far as I'm concerned.  They were the worst team in the NBA last year with Draymond and Russell playing most of the year and a better supporting cast overall (Burks, Robinson, WCS).  And Draymond was terrible.  He was old and slow.  And in the 5 games Curry played, they were 1-4 (1-3 to start the year).  The Warriors are done as a contender because they are old, don't have championship depth, have a terrible financial situation, and have injury concerns and issues.  They just aren't going to be very good.  Even Curry, I don't think has carry a team type skills.  He is a great #1 surrounded by talent, especially guard talent that allows him to hide defensively and be open offensively, but I don't think his skill set is designed to put a "bad" team on his back and will them to victories.  That isn't his game. 
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Re: Warriors aren’t contenders anymore.
« Reply #32 on: December 23, 2020, 08:43:52 AM »

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Danny would have traded Curry and Other pieces already if he was Myers ..
It just shows how quickly these championship windows tend to disappear.
Wiggins should only be playing if you’re trying to tank so I guess he can be useful for them later in the season. Draymond and Curry are old and tired

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« Reply #33 on: December 23, 2020, 09:19:06 AM »

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Danny would have traded Curry and Other pieces already if he was Myers ..
It just shows how quickly these championship windows tend to disappear.
Wiggins should only be playing if you’re trying to tank so I guess he can be useful for them later in the season. Draymond and Curry are old and tired

Yup, it's why Lebron keeps hopping around the league. The Miami heat only lasted 4 years, then 4 years with the Cavs.

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« Reply #34 on: December 23, 2020, 09:23:38 AM »

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Danny would have traded Curry and Other pieces already if he was Myers ..
It just shows how quickly these championship windows tend to disappear.
Wiggins should only be playing if you’re trying to tank so I guess he can be useful for them later in the season. Draymond and Curry are old and tired

Yup, it's why Lebron keeps hopping around the league. The Miami heat only lasted 4 years, then 4 years with the Cavs.
And why Michael retired two different times after 3-peats, and why the Lakers collapsed after winning their 3-peat (WCS loss the year after the 3-peat).  It is hard to have deep playoff runs every year.  It is draining physically and mentally.  The high pressure games and long seasons just wear you down. 
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Re: Warriors aren’t contenders anymore.
« Reply #35 on: December 23, 2020, 09:31:16 AM »

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Oh wow. You mean a team that lost a starter and has another starter out due to injury to begin the season looks shaky out of the gate. That is shocking. I don't see that repeating itself at all.  /s
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« Reply #36 on: December 23, 2020, 10:38:27 AM »

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I am excited to see Wiggins this season to see if GSW can get anything more out of him.

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« Reply #37 on: December 23, 2020, 03:54:45 PM »

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Danny would have traded Curry and Other pieces already if he was Myers ..
It just shows how quickly these championship windows tend to disappear.
Wiggins should only be playing if you’re trying to tank so I guess he can be useful for them later in the season. Draymond and Curry are old and tired

It was noted on here, that many wanted to stand pat and keep the young guys as they'd be ready to challenge for the championship, right about the time the Warriors run would be ending.  Build a team like the Warriors did, many of us said.  That time has come!
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« Reply #38 on: December 23, 2020, 05:12:12 PM »

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I am excited to see Wiggins this season to see if GSW can get anything more out of him.
He was the exact same no-defence playing chucker that he’s always been against Brooklyn. Would temper your excitement if I were you
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« Reply #39 on: December 23, 2020, 05:30:35 PM »

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  I don’t think Wiggins is as bad as others do but he is a marvel to watch sometimes. If he was drafted much lower he would t take so much abuse. But having said that, every time I see him I think if I was him I’d just zone out snd focus on being a GREAT defensive player. Dude is strong and quick. Just being AVERAGE defender isn’t enough. The way people look at him, overpaid or not , because he’s not the only overpaid guy in the league, but he’s infuriating. Another Jeff Green. An intense game is going on but like.. where’s your head , dude. Are you playing tonight? Or are you just chillin’?

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« Reply #40 on: December 23, 2020, 05:33:01 PM »

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  Wiggins last night made me think why I didn’t want Myles Turner. Same aloof attitude . One game he goes gang busters, the next 3 then blah. No thank you. I’d rather struggle just as much with guys that play hard.

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« Reply #41 on: December 23, 2020, 05:35:45 PM »

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So one game with them missing their second best player makes them a non-contender? ???
And their third ;)

No Klay and Dray makes it pretty hard work, especially with their dodgy wing stocks.
Yeah ikr. Shocking how everyone is quick to hate on the Warriors :-\
I think they've got some depth concerns (guys like Poole and Bazemore aren't looking too flash), but if Klay can come back right, which basically just means being able to stay healthy given his shooting touch, they still have a nasty big 3.

Age concerns are fair, but it's risky to write off a champion trio
I agree, but their depth concerns look much less worrying when Klay and Green are in the rotation. Btw I think they'll start playing Mulder at SG a lot if Poole and Bazemore continue to disappoint, he's an underrated 3 and D guy who I think can be very valuable for GSW with Curry at PG. But yeah I'll withhold judgment on them until Draymond comes back, I think they're more geared towards being a defensive team with versatile wings and forwards around Draymond with a makeshift offence built around Curry that's just good enough to win games rather than the offensive juggernaut they have been in the past few seasons.
Imagine next year with all three of Steph, Klay and Dray being healthy, Wiseman with a year of grooming, trading Wiggins for some quality player or a couple great role players and getting the #4 pick in the 2021 from Minny and getting to add a Jalen Green or Jalen Suggs or Jonathan Kuminga. The Warriors could very well be contenders just next year with a solid future in Wiseman and whoever they get in that draft.

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« Reply #42 on: December 23, 2020, 06:32:58 PM »

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So one game with them missing their second best player makes them a non-contender? ???
And their third ;)

No Klay and Dray makes it pretty hard work, especially with their dodgy wing stocks.
Yeah ikr. Shocking how everyone is quick to hate on the Warriors :-\
I think they've got some depth concerns (guys like Poole and Bazemore aren't looking too flash), but if Klay can come back right, which basically just means being able to stay healthy given his shooting touch, they still have a nasty big 3.

Age concerns are fair, but it's risky to write off a champion trio
I agree, but their depth concerns look much less worrying when Klay and Green are in the rotation. Btw I think they'll start playing Mulder at SG a lot if Poole and Bazemore continue to disappoint, he's an underrated 3 and D guy who I think can be very valuable for GSW with Curry at PG. But yeah I'll withhold judgment on them until Draymond comes back, I think they're more geared towards being a defensive team with versatile wings and forwards around Draymond with a makeshift offence built around Curry that's just good enough to win games rather than the offensive juggernaut they have been in the past few seasons.
Imagine next year with all three of Steph, Klay and Dray being healthy, Wiseman with a year of grooming, trading Wiggins for some quality player or a couple great role players and getting the #4 pick in the 2021 from Minny and getting to add a Jalen Green or Jalen Suggs or Jonathan Kuminga. The Warriors could very well be contenders just next year with a solid future in Wiseman and whoever they get in that draft.
I’m really hot on Wiseman, so I think he could propel the Warriors as their big 3 slow down a bit. If he can become DeAndre Jordan with more ball skills that’s a nightmare team.
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« Reply #43 on: December 23, 2020, 07:07:12 PM »

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So one game with them missing their second best player makes them a non-contender? ???
And their third ;)

No Klay and Dray makes it pretty hard work, especially with their dodgy wing stocks.
Yeah ikr. Shocking how everyone is quick to hate on the Warriors :-\
I think they've got some depth concerns (guys like Poole and Bazemore aren't looking too flash), but if Klay can come back right, which basically just means being able to stay healthy given his shooting touch, they still have a nasty big 3.

Age concerns are fair, but it's risky to write off a champion trio
I agree, but their depth concerns look much less worrying when Klay and Green are in the rotation. Btw I think they'll start playing Mulder at SG a lot if Poole and Bazemore continue to disappoint, he's an underrated 3 and D guy who I think can be very valuable for GSW with Curry at PG. But yeah I'll withhold judgment on them until Draymond comes back, I think they're more geared towards being a defensive team with versatile wings and forwards around Draymond with a makeshift offence built around Curry that's just good enough to win games rather than the offensive juggernaut they have been in the past few seasons.
Imagine next year with all three of Steph, Klay and Dray being healthy, Wiseman with a year of grooming, trading Wiggins for some quality player or a couple great role players and getting the #4 pick in the 2021 from Minny and getting to add a Jalen Green or Jalen Suggs or Jonathan Kuminga. The Warriors could very well be contenders just next year with a solid future in Wiseman and whoever they get in that draft.
I’m really hot on Wiseman, so I think he could propel the Warriors as their big 3 slow down a bit. If he can become DeAndre Jordan with more ball skills that’s a nightmare team.
I like Wiseman. I liked Halliburton better but I do like Wiseman. When he fills out he will be an imposing specimen, that's for sure! And, I am really high on the top of next year's draft. There's 4-6 guys there that might have gone #1 this year. If GSW adds one of those guys, the present and the future could look bright for the Warriors.

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« Reply #44 on: December 23, 2020, 07:12:25 PM »

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So one game with them missing their second best player makes them a non-contender? ???
And their third ;)

No Klay and Dray makes it pretty hard work, especially with their dodgy wing stocks.
Yeah ikr. Shocking how everyone is quick to hate on the Warriors :-\
I think they've got some depth concerns (guys like Poole and Bazemore aren't looking too flash), but if Klay can come back right, which basically just means being able to stay healthy given his shooting touch, they still have a nasty big 3.

Age concerns are fair, but it's risky to write off a champion trio
I agree, but their depth concerns look much less worrying when Klay and Green are in the rotation. Btw I think they'll start playing Mulder at SG a lot if Poole and Bazemore continue to disappoint, he's an underrated 3 and D guy who I think can be very valuable for GSW with Curry at PG. But yeah I'll withhold judgment on them until Draymond comes back, I think they're more geared towards being a defensive team with versatile wings and forwards around Draymond with a makeshift offence built around Curry that's just good enough to win games rather than the offensive juggernaut they have been in the past few seasons.
Imagine next year with all three of Steph, Klay and Dray being healthy, Wiseman with a year of grooming, trading Wiggins for some quality player or a couple great role players and getting the #4 pick in the 2021 from Minny and getting to add a Jalen Green or Jalen Suggs or Jonathan Kuminga. The Warriors could very well be contenders just next year with a solid future in Wiseman and whoever they get in that draft.
I’m really hot on Wiseman, so I think he could propel the Warriors as their big 3 slow down a bit. If he can become DeAndre Jordan with more ball skills that’s a nightmare team.
I like Wiseman. I liked Halliburton better but I do like Wiseman. When he fills out he will be an imposing specimen, that's for sure! And, I am really high on the top of next year's draft. There's 4-6 guys there that might have gone #1 this year. If GSW adds one of those guys, the present and the future could look bright for the Warriors.
Yeah, the next draft is nasty. Green, Cunningham, Suggs, Kuminga, Mobley and Clarke are all really strong prospects.

Hope they can't get any of them!

As long as we get Luka Garza I'm okay ;)
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PG: Terry Porter (90-91) / Steve Francis (00-01)
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