Rumor: Raptors and Celtics the two favorites for James Harden

[jambr380]

Smells like smokescreen once again

Ainge trying to drive up price so that 76ers don't luck out with Harden by trading Harris and not having to include Simmons or Embiid

Sample of trade between 76ers and Rockets

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yc6m747u

Harris, Maxey and other rookies +  4 1sts or 3 1sts and 2 swaps


In order to prevent this from happening, Celtics could be sending signals...team could part ways with Brown.   Which gives Rockets some leverage vs 76ers.   Threaten to trade Harden to the Celtics instead.... unless Simmons is included

That trade just isn't going to get it done. Even in his current state, Kemba is a much better asset than Tobias Harris. Caris LeVert might be a better asset than Harris. While a nice player, Harris is one of the worst contracts in the NBA right now.

[Tr1boy]

Smells like smokescreen once again

Ainge trying to drive up price so that 76ers don't luck out with Harden by trading Harris and not having to include Simmons or Embiid

Sample of trade between 76ers and Rockets

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yc6m747u

Harris, Maxey and other rookies +  4 1sts or 3 1sts and 2 swaps


In order to prevent this from happening, Celtics could be sending signals...team could part ways with Brown.   Which gives Rockets some leverage vs 76ers.   Threaten to trade Harden to the Celtics instead.... unless Simmons is included

I am not sure this makes any sense.  So Houston and DA collude to make Philly think we are trading Brown and Smart so 76ers are forced to include Simmons?  Lol...I wouldn't put it past DA to say he has interest when he really doesn't but eventually the cards have to come onto the table.

why not. Danny has done this in the past and as recently with Jrue Holiday

End of the day, there was success sticking his nose into it, because Bucks overpaid to get the job done.   

[Tr1boy]

Smells like smokescreen once again

Ainge trying to drive up price so that 76ers don't luck out with Harden by trading Harris and not having to include Simmons or Embiid

Sample of trade between 76ers and Rockets

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yc6m747u

Harris, Maxey and other rookies +  4 1sts or 3 1sts and 2 swaps


In order to prevent this from happening, Celtics could be sending signals...team could part ways with Brown.   Which gives Rockets some leverage vs 76ers.   Threaten to trade Harden to the Celtics instead.... unless Simmons is included

That trade just isn't going to get it done. Even in his current state, Kemba is a much better asset than Tobias Harris. Caris LeVert might be a better asset than Harris. While a nice player, Harris is one of the worst contracts in the NBA right now.

true, but Nets are not going to get involved

They already have two alpha dogs mouths to feed.   I do buy into it that Kyrie does not want him onboard

Lets not forget Kyme was willing to leave a good situation with the Cavs with Lebron on the team, just because he wanted his own team etc.

[Tr1boy]

Smells like smokescreen once again

Ainge trying to drive up price so that 76ers don't luck out with Harden by trading Harris and not having to include Simmons or Embiid

Sample of trade between 76ers and Rockets

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yc6m747u

Harris, Maxey and other rookies +  4 1sts or 3 1sts and 2 swaps


In order to prevent this from happening, Celtics could be sending signals...team could part ways with Brown.   Which gives Rockets some leverage vs 76ers.   Threaten to trade Harden to the Celtics instead.... unless Simmons is included

Granato's source, if there is one, is very unlikely to be BOS. He's been connected to HOU for a long time.

Second, I don't think Danny or anyone else has to worry about HOU settling for Joe Harris.

Not Joe Harris. Tobias Harris

and Danny is concerned or should be

Embiid, Simmons, Harden .... then you have the Heat.  Then Bucks.

Celtics won't make it to the ECF this time.  And its not just that, but they won't for the next 2-3 years, stunting Tatum/Brown growth and value

[colincb]

Smells like smokescreen once again

Ainge trying to drive up price so that 76ers don't luck out with Harden by trading Harris and not having to include Simmons or Embiid

Sample of trade between 76ers and Rockets

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yc6m747u

Harris, Maxey and other rookies +  4 1sts or 3 1sts and 2 swaps


In order to prevent this from happening, Celtics could be sending signals...team could part ways with Brown.   Which gives Rockets some leverage vs 76ers.   Threaten to trade Harden to the Celtics instead.... unless Simmons is included

Granato's source, if there is one, is very unlikely to be BOS. He's been connected to HOU for a long time.

Second, I don't think Danny or anyone else has to worry about HOU settling for Joe Harris.

Not Joe Harris. Tobias Harris

and Danny is concerned or should be

Embiid, Simmons, Harden .... then you have the Heat.  Then Bucks.

Celtics won't make it to the ECF this time.  And its not just that, but they won't for the next 2-3 years, stunting Tatum/Brown growth and value

Sorry, BKN was on my mind.

Tobias won't be enough for HOU either though. He'll be 29 this season and barring a miracle he has no chance of ever being an all-star.

[RPGenerate]

Smells like smokescreen once again

Ainge trying to drive up price so that 76ers don't luck out with Harden by trading Harris and not having to include Simmons or Embiid

Sample of trade between 76ers and Rockets

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yc6m747u

Harris, Maxey and other rookies +  4 1sts or 3 1sts and 2 swaps


In order to prevent this from happening, Celtics could be sending signals...team could part ways with Brown.   Which gives Rockets some leverage vs 76ers.   Threaten to trade Harden to the Celtics instead.... unless Simmons is included

Granato's source, if there is one, is very unlikely to be BOS. He's been connected to HOU for a long time.

Second, I don't think Danny or anyone else has to worry about HOU settling for Joe Harris.

Not Joe Harris. Tobias Harris

and Danny is concerned or should be

Embiid, Simmons, Harden .... then you have the Heat.  Then Bucks.

Celtics won't make it to the ECF this time.  And its not just that, but they won't for the next 2-3 years, stunting Tatum/Brown growth and value

There's no possible way that the 76ers get Harden without giving up Simmons. 0% chance of that happening, so why should I be concerned. Tobias Harris may have negative value because of his contract.

[CelticsElite]

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/30574674/miami-heat-end-pursuit-houston-rockets-james-harden-sources-say

Heat end pursuit  of harden

[Tr1boy]

Smells like smokescreen once again

Ainge trying to drive up price so that 76ers don't luck out with Harden by trading Harris and not having to include Simmons or Embiid

Sample of trade between 76ers and Rockets

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yc6m747u

Harris, Maxey and other rookies +  4 1sts or 3 1sts and 2 swaps


In order to prevent this from happening, Celtics could be sending signals...team could part ways with Brown.   Which gives Rockets some leverage vs 76ers.   Threaten to trade Harden to the Celtics instead.... unless Simmons is included

Granato's source, if there is one, is very unlikely to be BOS. He's been connected to HOU for a long time.

Second, I don't think Danny or anyone else has to worry about HOU settling for Joe Harris.

Not Joe Harris. Tobias Harris

and Danny is concerned or should be

Embiid, Simmons, Harden .... then you have the Heat.  Then Bucks.

Celtics won't make it to the ECF this time.  And its not just that, but they won't for the next 2-3 years, stunting Tatum/Brown growth and value

There's no possible way that the 76ers get Harden without giving up Simmons. 0% chance of that happening, so why should I be concerned. Tobias Harris may have negative value because of his contract.

Never say never

You already forgot how little was needed to trade for Leonard and Irving

If 76ers throw a boatload of picks and Harris.  It could be good enough. Especially if there arent better offers

[Atzar]

Brown for Harden is an interesting question.

Jaylen is about to be tested IMO.  With Hayward gone and Kemba out, he'll be asked to take on a much greater offensive burden than he's ever had to take before.  To this point, he's been a finisher more than a creator - transition threat, spot-up shooter, secondary slasher.  And he's good at those things, but he has rarely been asked to create offense himself. 

There's a real chance that he fails that test.  Creating efficient offense - whether for himself or others - may just not be in his skillset, and if that's the case, then the Celtics will need to reevaluate him as a very good roleplayer rather than a legitimate second building block star next to Tatum.  Hopefully the Celtics already know internally how it'll go and are able to act accordingly.  Because rising star Jaylen is a guy you keep unless another team offers something stupid, but roleplayer Jaylen might be a guy you look to move while his value still reflects a high ceiling that may or may not actually exist. 

[BruceBanner18]

If Harris, Maxey and picks is competitive then you'd have to think Walker, Smart and picks is possible, right? And a better haul for Houston (even if Walker gets flipped for assets)

[colincb]

Smells like smokescreen once again

Ainge trying to drive up price so that 76ers don't luck out with Harden by trading Harris and not having to include Simmons or Embiid

Sample of trade between 76ers and Rockets

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yc6m747u

Harris, Maxey and other rookies +  4 1sts or 3 1sts and 2 swaps


In order to prevent this from happening, Celtics could be sending signals...team could part ways with Brown.   Which gives Rockets some leverage vs 76ers.   Threaten to trade Harden to the Celtics instead.... unless Simmons is included

Granato's source, if there is one, is very unlikely to be BOS. He's been connected to HOU for a long time.

Second, I don't think Danny or anyone else has to worry about HOU settling for Joe Harris.

Not Joe Harris. Tobias Harris

and Danny is concerned or should be

Embiid, Simmons, Harden .... then you have the Heat.  Then Bucks.

Celtics won't make it to the ECF this time.  And its not just that, but they won't for the next 2-3 years, stunting Tatum/Brown growth and value

There's no possible way that the 76ers get Harden without giving up Simmons. 0% chance of that happening, so why should I be concerned. Tobias Harris may have negative value because of his contract.

Never say never

You already forgot how little was needed to trade for Leonard and Irving

If 76ers throw a boatload of picks and Harris.  It could be good enough. Especially if there aren,t better offers

The centerpiece for Leonard was 4 time all-star Derozan and a first for a one year rental. That's no pittance. The centerpiece for two years of Irving was a 2018 first from BKN who had finished last in 2017 and huge tax savings for a Cavs team that was going nowhere. was way into cap hell, and werer facing a rebuild.

Harris is a slightly above average player with a career PER of 15 and a very average career TS% of 56% who has a bad $34 million contract that runs for four more years. He'll never make an all-star game. If that's the offer, why would HOU do that trade?

[gouki88]

These kinds of rumours might not eventuate in anything, but I'll tell you what they are good for - playing around on the trade machine and coming up with some truly wild moves. Here's one I was just fiddling with:

https://tradenba.com/trades/8D_FNayI0

Boston out: Jaylen Brown, Kemba Walker, Daniel Theis, Robert Williams, Romeo Langford, 2021 1st, 2023 1st, 2025 1st
Boston in: James Harden, Nikola Vucevic, PJ Tucker

New York out: Julius Randle, Frank Ntilikina, 2021 1st
New York in: Kemba Walker

Orlando out: Nikola Vucevic
Orlando in: Julius Randle, Romeo Langford

Houston out: James Harden, PJ Tucker
Houston in: Jaylen Brown, Daniel Theis, Robert Williams, Frank Ntilikina, NYK 2021 1st, Boston 2021 1st, Boston 2023 1st, Boston 2025 1st.

Would leave the Celtics with a 10-man group of:
Smart / Teague
Harden / Pritchard
Tatum / Nesmith
Tucker / Williams
Vucevic / Thompson

Houston would have a big three of Wall, Brown and Wood, with a total regeneration of their picks from the Chris Paul trade.

Orlando get a 26 year-old walking 20/9/3 and Langford, who fits their defensive wing identity. Also shed some salary.

The Knicks finally get their star, and he's one that is actually from New York.

Not even remotely possible, which makes it more fun to think of! It's exciting to see all the out there trades we can come up with

[SHAQATTACK]

Smells like smokescreen once again

Ainge trying to drive up price so that 76ers don't luck out with Harden by trading Harris and not having to include Simmons or Embiid

Sample of trade between 76ers and Rockets

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yc6m747u

Harris, Maxey and other rookies +  4 1sts or 3 1sts and 2 swaps


In order to prevent this from happening, Celtics could be sending signals...team could part ways with Brown.   Which gives Rockets some leverage vs 76ers.   Threaten to trade Harden to the Celtics instead.... unless Simmons is included

Granato's source, if there is one, is very unlikely to be BOS. He's been connected to HOU for a long time.

Second, I don't think Danny or anyone else has to worry about HOU settling for Joe Harris.

Not Joe Harris. Tobias Harris

and Danny is concerned or should be

Embiid, Simmons, Harden .... then you have the Heat.  Then Bucks.

Celtics won't make it to the ECF this time.  And its not just that, but they won't for the next 2-3 years, stunting Tatum/Brown growth and value

There's no possible way that the 76ers get Harden without giving up Simmons. 0% chance of that happening, so why should I be concerned. Tobias Harris may have negative value because of his contract.

Never say never

You already forgot how little was needed to trade for Leonard and Irving

If 76ers throw a boatload of picks and Harris.  It could be good enough. Especially if there arent better offers

really hurts our chances to sget better when  danny hesitates ,  other teams grab the the stars . We aren't going anywhere , without better players .  ans watch eveybody else get better .

[NKY fan]

These kinds of rumours might not eventuate in anything, but I'll tell you what they are good for - playing around on the trade machine and coming up with some truly wild moves. Here's one I was just fiddling with:

https://tradenba.com/trades/8D_FNayI0

Boston out: Jaylen Brown, Kemba Walker, Daniel Theis, Robert Williams, Romeo Langford, 2021 1st, 2023 1st, 2025 1st
Boston in: James Harden, Nikola Vucevic, PJ Tucker

New York out: Julius Randle, Frank Ntilikina, 2021 1st
New York in: Kemba Walker

Orlando out: Nikola Vucevic
Orlando in: Julius Randle, Romeo Langford

Houston out: James Harden, PJ Tucker
Houston in: Jaylen Brown, Daniel Theis, Robert Williams, Frank Ntilikina, NYK 2021 1st, Boston 2021 1st, Boston 2023 1st, Boston 2025 1st.

Would leave the Celtics with a 10-man group of:
Smart / Teague
Harden / Pritchard
Tatum / Nesmith
Tucker / Williams
Vucevic / Thompson

Houston would have a big three of Wall, Brown and Wood, with a total regeneration of their picks from the Chris Paul trade.

Orlando get a 26 year-old walking 20/9/3 and Langford, who fits their defensive wing identity. Also shed some salary.

The Knicks finally get their star, and he's one that is actually from New York.

Not even remotely possible, which makes it more fun to think of! It's exciting to see all the out there trades we can come up with

I like the knicks and Kemba connection. I was thinking if we send Kemba to them and the picks from the Bane trade this can be matching salaries for Harden and then send prospects plus all the picks we have left to Houston. Something like :
Kemba plus the 2 second round picks to Knicks
Knox, Ntilikina, smith jr to Celtics and Bulock to Rockets
Timelord and Romeo and Nesmith to Houston as well as 4 first round picks and 4 swaps.
Celtics get Harden plus the above 3 draft busts from knicks.

Knicks get their hometown star to pair with their future star (also hometown) while cleaning up the salaries of 3 draft busts.
Houston gets 3 prospects plus Bulock plus a lot of picks .. get to be adequate this year and well set in the future. They also get a big trade expedition and save $30 mil this season
Celtics get their 3rd and healthy star and leave Danny with little flexibility for future trades but we get to contend in the East (while right now we are outside the top 3)
Starting line up:
Smart, Harden, Brown, Tatum, Tristan
Teague, Theis , Ntilikina, Grant and Pritchard as second unit
Third unit TBD
Celtics get to keep their TPE and with still may avoid the luxury tax this season. Also Kemba gets paid a hefty trade kicker for his inconveniences.
It’s not going to happen ... but the max number of picks allowed plus prospects plus an all star on paper should be enough to get Harden.

[RodyTur10]

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