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Re: Rumor: Raptors and Celtics the two favorites for James Harden
« Reply #60 on: December 21, 2020, 12:15:43 AM »

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I would dump Kemba if possible because I don't think Kemba+Harden is the best fit. I have convinced myself into thinking Harden and Tatum is a good enough fit, and Jaylen could excel as the number 3. We still need better role players though

Re: Rumor: Raptors and Celtics the two favorites for James Harden
« Reply #61 on: December 21, 2020, 01:01:59 AM »

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Hmm....this thing has some legs, then.

Regardless how we all feel about Harden dude is BONAFIDE.

One of the greatest scorers of all time. You can't make anymore jokes about his defense, either - he's gotten better in that area, too.

Add in the fact that at his age he is HUNGRY.

Whatever mistakes he's made in the past I'd bet he's focused on WINNING, now.

Coming to BOS would probably be his LAST chance.

"IF" he gets here he'd be ok.

Talent like that...all you do is unpackage him, turn him loose and enjoy the show.

If your coach can't handle nba players and you're in the nba then you need a new coach.

And what culture? What is this mythical culture that celtics fans have created in their minds?

Because this same mythical culture would have never brought us KG if we hung onto this intangible concept that only exists in this fictitious reality.

Huh? That last statement is non-sensical.

The Celtics have from the 60's thru the 80's and then during Garnet's era definitely had a unique culture - different from the rest of the NBA. Go back and read quotes from Jerry West about Russell's Celtic teams. Look at the 70's group led by Cowens and Havlicek and JoJo. Paul Silas talked about his disbelief of any 'Celtic Pride' until he got here and realized there was something special about the franchise and he said so. Charlie Scott, the same. The 80's speak for themselves. The Garnett teams had a togetherness unlike any in the modern NBA. All those players still talk about their time here, the unity they shared and have stayed in touch, as a group, since then. The one unifying factor in the first three title eras was Red Auerbach. What other franchise had the same man in charge of the team for 5+ decades and built multiple & separate title teams ?

So Yes, I would say the Celtics have had a long history of winning created by sacrifice, togetherness, selflessness, courage, intensity, pride and loyalty. We have more pure tradition than any other franchise. I will grant you that there have been some shaky years since the Len Bias and Reggie Lewis tragedies, which robbed the Celtics of the future Red had brilliantly created for them. As Red became older and had less direct involvement, bad mistakes were made (Rick Pitino) that damaged our long-time culture.

Garnett brought Celtic Pride back and then some, and as much as Danny helped  create that era, he ruined it by trading Perk. Danny's done well with the rebuild, but never had Red's genius for cultivating togetherness and loyalty. Far from it. So, here we are in 2020 and the Celtics future looks bright. Can Danny bring in a few more key pieces to make this a championship group and soften his reputation for being a cold-blooded manager ? Can he add to the Celtics long held traditions and values in a complex league ? As a fan since 1969, when I fell in love with the underdog "Old Champions," I hope and pray that the answer will be Yes.

Final Thought: James Harden is the Anti-Celtic.

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Re: Rumor: Raptors and Celtics the two favorites for James Harden
« Reply #62 on: December 21, 2020, 01:13:27 AM »

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No chance Jaylen is traded for Harden. Zero.

Smart, kemba sure.

Smart, Kemba, Theis for Harden, Wood.
Houston has John Wall at guard and just signed Wood. Unlikely Kemba would be involved. I’m pro trading for Harden but I think deal would need to include some depth guys from Houston too like Tucker and/or House.
Wall is a big guard who's really strong defensively, so he's actually a pretty good fit with guards like Kemba who can ocsillate on and off the ball.
It's not like he's used to playing alongside traditional 2s either. Beal is 6'3"
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Re: Rumor: Raptors and Celtics the two favorites for James Harden
« Reply #63 on: December 21, 2020, 01:16:30 AM »

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Is this trade possible

To Magic: Langford, Timelord, Trade exception

To Rockets: Aaron Gordon, Marcus Smart, Carsen Edwards, Future 1st, 2nd

To Celtics: Harden

Does this check out? 


A TPE is not traded 'out' to another team.  It can only be used to absorb (match) incoming salary.  And it cannot be combined with other outgoing salary in the same matching transaction.

The above has the Celtics sending out Langford (3.6M), Time Lord (2M), Smart (13.4M) & Edwards (1.5M), for around 21M of out-going salary.   As I said, it cannot be combined with the 27M TPE.

Harden's incoming salary is 41M.

This trade does not work.

The only way a Harden trade realistically works is by sending out Jaylen or Kemba (plus stuff).  And Houston just got Wall -- they aren't looking to get Kemba.

Ultimately, making a deal for Harden work isn't impossible.  But the price is going to be pretty steep, just because of the salary matching involved.

I'm gonna go waaaaay out on a real crazy limb and assert that this 'rumor' is nothing more than a troll job by a local sports jock looking for attention and that James Harden will not be wearing Celtic green anytime in the near future.
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Re: Rumor: Raptors and Celtics the two favorites for James Harden
« Reply #64 on: December 21, 2020, 01:17:34 AM »

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Kemba and Harden would be a bad fit together.

Stevens and Harden would be a bad fit, as well.

Harden might not be as psychotic as Kyrie, but he is probably more selfish (if that is possible).
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Re: Rumor: Raptors and Celtics the two favorites for James Harden
« Reply #65 on: December 21, 2020, 01:24:47 AM »

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Is this trade possible

To Magic: Langford, Timelord, Trade exception

To Rockets: Aaron Gordon, Marcus Smart, Carsen Edwards, Future 1st, 2nd

To Celtics: Harden

Does this check out? 


A TPE is not traded 'out' to another team.  It can only be used to absorb (match) incoming salary.  And it cannot be combined with other outgoing salary in the same matching transaction.

The above has the Celtics sending out Langford (3.6M), Time Lord (2M), Smart (13.4M) & Edwards (1.5M), for around 21M of out-going salary.   As I said, it cannot be combined with the 27M TPE.

Harden's incoming salary is 41M.

This trade does not work.

The only way a Harden trade realistically works is by sending out Jaylen or Kemba (plus stuff).  And Houston just got Wall -- they aren't looking to get Kemba.

Ultimately, making a deal for Harden work isn't impossible.  But the price is going to be pretty steep, just because of the salary matching involved.

I'm gonna go waaaaay out on a real crazy limb and assert that this 'rumor' is nothing more than a troll job by a local sports jock looking for attention and that James Harden will not be wearing Celtic green anytime in the near future.

So if you cant combine salaries.. only thing that can be done is send out picks as compensation? 

It would take like 3 1sts for Gordon.. a little too rich imo

Re: Rumor: Raptors and Celtics the two favorites for James Harden
« Reply #66 on: December 21, 2020, 01:34:46 AM »

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Smart + trade via utlizing TPE = matching Harden salary or as close to... could be the most economical route. Without giving up Brown. Cant see also Kemba going anywhere.  He did the Celtics a solid by signing here last season. Danny trading him away = death sentence for future key FA signing potential

Going back to Harden, this situation reminds me of Kyrie or Leonard trades

Sure Rockets want equal perceived value. But their is no such market.... and taking the next best option is better than nothing.  Waiting game unlikely improves...Especially if Harden gets injured. Rockets would be in trouble

Re: Rumor: Raptors and Celtics the two favorites for James Harden
« Reply #67 on: December 21, 2020, 01:41:45 AM »

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this idea that you cannot trade a recently signed free agent is nonsense ...didnt Philly just move Horford? If there is a buyer for Kemba you have to move him.

Re: Rumor: Raptors and Celtics the two favorites for James Harden
« Reply #68 on: December 21, 2020, 01:54:50 AM »

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this idea that you cannot trade a recently signed free agent is nonsense ...didnt Philly just move Horford? If there is a buyer for Kemba you have to move him.

Horford went money chasing...  76ers were dumb enough to overpay him. There is no negative light for the 76ers

With Walker, he could have signed with Knicks or even Lakers were rumored to be interested.

Kemba signed due to uconn connection and also Tatum recruitment

Imagine trading him after year 1.  Tatum recuiting powers decrease.  Bad look for Ainge
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Re: Rumor: Raptors and Celtics the two favorites for James Harden
« Reply #69 on: December 21, 2020, 02:03:51 AM »

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this idea that you cannot trade a recently signed free agent is nonsense ...didnt Philly just move Horford? If there is a buyer for Kemba you have to move him.

Horford went money chasing...  76ers were dumb enough to overpay him. There is no negative light for the 76ers

With Walker, he could have signed with Knicks or even Lakers were rumored to be interested.

Kemba signed due to uconn connection and also Tatum recruitment

Imagine trading him after year 1.  Tatum recuiting powers decrease.  Ainge will be known as a slimeball. Give up/trade stars due to injury.

If Danny could trade him for Harden instead of Brown, he'd do it in a second.


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« Reply #70 on: December 21, 2020, 02:08:47 AM »

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this idea that you cannot trade a recently signed free agent is nonsense ...didnt Philly just move Horford? If there is a buyer for Kemba you have to move him.

Horford went money chasing...  76ers were dumb enough to overpay him. There is no negative light for the 76ers

With Walker, he could have signed with Knicks or even Lakers were rumored to be interested.

Kemba signed due to uconn connection and also Tatum recruitment

Imagine trading him after year 1.  Tatum recuiting powers decrease.  Ainge will be known as a slimeball. Give up/trade stars due to injury.

If Danny could trade him for Harden instead of Brown, he'd do it in a second.

I agree... but mainly because he is injured right?

Because if healthy, why would Ainge trade him for Harden?



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« Reply #71 on: December 21, 2020, 02:22:47 AM »

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Kemba and Harden would be a bad fit together.

Stevens and Harden would be a bad fit, as well.

Harden might not be as psychotic as Kyrie, but he is probably more selfish (if that is possible).
It's not like we don't play isoball though, Harden will feel right at home in Boston's offensive system :laugh:
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« Reply #72 on: December 21, 2020, 02:54:49 AM »

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Now that the Jazz have secured Gobert and know Conley is likely to walk after this year, I bet they’d go for this trade to secure their next three years. Rockets get an unheard of six first-round picks (and six second-round picks) and the Rockets’ owner guarantees that Morey fails in Philly (plus, they can flip Conley to a contender at the deadline for another pick or two):

https://tradenba.com/trades/-iwzTG0ue

Harden
Smart
Brown
Tatum
TT

= 2021 NBA Championship or Bust

If it does not work, flip Harden next year and we’ve still got our core of Tatum, Brown and Smart. A nice hedge. The key is getting Utah to flip Conley and picks for Kemba.

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« Reply #73 on: December 21, 2020, 03:12:14 AM »

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Now that the Jazz have secured Gobert and know Conley is likely to walk after this year, I bet they’d go for this trade to secure their next three years. Rockets get an unheard of six first-round picks (and six second-round picks) and the Rockets’ owner guarantees that Morey fails in Philly (plus, they can flip Conley to a contender at the deadline for another pick or two):

https://tradenba.com/trades/-iwzTG0ue

Harden
Smart
Brown
Tatum
TT

= 2021 NBA Championship or Bust

If it does not work, flip Harden next year and we’ve still got our core of Tatum, Brown and Smart. A nice hedge. The key is getting Utah to flip Conley and picks for Kemba.

You must be jokin

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« Reply #74 on: December 21, 2020, 03:19:55 AM »

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Now that the Jazz have secured Gobert and know Conley is likely to walk after this year, I bet they’d go for this trade to secure their next three years. Rockets get an unheard of six first-round picks (and six second-round picks) and the Rockets’ owner guarantees that Morey fails in Philly (plus, they can flip Conley to a contender at the deadline for another pick or two):

https://tradenba.com/trades/-iwzTG0ue

Harden
Smart
Brown
Tatum
TT

= 2021 NBA Championship or Bust

If it does not work, flip Harden next year and we’ve still got our core of Tatum, Brown and Smart. A nice hedge. The key is getting Utah to flip Conley and picks for Kemba.

You must be jokin

If Paul George is worth five first-round picks and Gilgeous-Alexander, Harden is worth six first-round picks and six second-round picks. A dozen picks, Langford (lottery player), R. Williams and Conley (flip for another pick at the deadline). A blockbuster trade to get a top five superstar. Otherwise, we gotta give up Brown to get our MVP candidate. I value Brown over those picks.