Rudy Gobert trade? (Rudy signs extension)

[NKY fan]

Ok so with Gobert locked up and Fox locked up long term I think these are the two players danny should target via trade.
This season is not possible but next offseason yes.
Both are overpaid because I don’t think they deserve to make so much more than what Jaylen is making and that is what will make them more tradeable next year. It would also help if Sacramento and Utah underperform once again.
They fit the Js timeline. I think it’s important for Danny to somehow preserve or even increase his draft picks capital as he will need that if he’s to trade for these two.

[footey]

I think this signing shows how much of a disconnect we as Celtic fans have on a player's "availability" and more importantly, FMV. 

Even if Gobert had reached a standstill in negotiations, and we could have used the TPE and some players to get him, it would have been financially disastrous to sign him for an extension in that ball park given our current salary commitments to two other Max players, plus Jaylen Brown for $20 mm plus per year for 4 years.

Our focus should be on finding decent 3/4 swing forwards who can defend and hit shots. They are out there.

[NKY fan]

I think this signing shows how much of a disconnect we as Celtic fans have on a player's "availability" and more importantly, FMV. 

Even if Gobert had reached a standstill in negotiations, and we could have used the TPE and some players to get him, it would have been financially disastrous to sign him for an extension in that ball park given our current salary commitments to two other Max players, plus Jaylen Brown for $20 mm plus per year for 4 years.

Our focus should be on finding decent 3/4 swing forwards who can defend and hit shots. They are out there.

We shouldn’t worry too much about luxury tax and payroll when it comes to the Celtics. If ownership are not willing to pay the tax then the goal is an ECF appearance each year and fans should not be talking about contending for titles.
And by saying luxury tax I don’t mean the occasional million of LT once every 5 years... what I mean is going deep in the tax the way Brooklyn and other teams are going.

[footey]

I think this signing shows how much of a disconnect we as Celtic fans have on a player's "availability" and more importantly, FMV. 

Even if Gobert had reached a standstill in negotiations, and we could have used the TPE and some players to get him, it would have been financially disastrous to sign him for an extension in that ball park given our current salary commitments to two other Max players, plus Jaylen Brown for $20 mm plus per year for 4 years.

Our focus should be on finding decent 3/4 swing forwards who can defend and hit shots. They are out there.

We shouldn’t worry too much about luxury tax and payroll when it comes to the Celtics. If ownership are not willing to pay the tax then the goal is an ECF appearance each year and fans should not be talking about contending for titles.
And by saying luxury tax I don’t mean the occasional million of LT once every 5 years... what I mean is going deep in the tax the way Brooklyn and other teams are going.

In deciding whether or not to sign someone like Kevin Durant, you would be right, you take the gamble.  Unless you were very confident that Gobert, along with Tatum, Brown and sore-kneed Kemba Walker has a real good chance to win championships, then you do have to take into account the luxury tax, which gets crazy high once you commit to so many max contracts for multiple years. 

[NKY fan]

I think this signing shows how much of a disconnect we as Celtic fans have on a player's "availability" and more importantly, FMV. 

Even if Gobert had reached a standstill in negotiations, and we could have used the TPE and some players to get him, it would have been financially disastrous to sign him for an extension in that ball park given our current salary commitments to two other Max players, plus Jaylen Brown for $20 mm plus per year for 4 years.

Our focus should be on finding decent 3/4 swing forwards who can defend and hit shots. They are out there.

We shouldn’t worry too much about luxury tax and payroll when it comes to the Celtics. If ownership are not willing to pay the tax then the goal is an ECF appearance each year and fans should not be talking about contending for titles.
And by saying luxury tax I don’t mean the occasional million of LT once every 5 years... what I mean is going deep in the tax the way Brooklyn and other teams are going.

In deciding whether or not to sign someone like Kevin Durant, you would be right, you take the gamble.  Unless you were very confident that Gobert, along with Tatum, Brown and sore-kneed Kemba Walker has a real good chance to win championships, then you do have to take into account the luxury tax, which gets crazy high once you commit to so many max contracts for multiple years.

Kemba doesn’t fit the timeline really... he would have to be traded for Gobert and or Fox or a young and overpaid player like that.
But if next playoffs our starting lineup is:
Fox , Smart, Brown, Tatum, Gobert
Bench - Tristan, Theis, two moderately paid guards that can shoot and defend ...
I think we can take down Nets , Heat , Bucks and Lebrons lakers ... it will be expensive but it might be worth it.

[keevsnick]

I think this signing shows how much of a disconnect we as Celtic fans have on a player's "availability" and more importantly, FMV. 

Even if Gobert had reached a standstill in negotiations, and we could have used the TPE and some players to get him, it would have been financially disastrous to sign him for an extension in that ball park given our current salary commitments to two other Max players, plus Jaylen Brown for $20 mm plus per year for 4 years.

Our focus should be on finding decent 3/4 swing forwards who can defend and hit shots. They are out there.

We shouldn’t worry too much about luxury tax and payroll when it comes to the Celtics. If ownership are not willing to pay the tax then the goal is an ECF appearance each year and fans should not be talking about contending for titles.
And by saying luxury tax I don’t mean the occasional million of LT once every 5 years... what I mean is going deep in the tax the way Brooklyn and other teams are going.

In deciding whether or not to sign someone like Kevin Durant, you would be right, you take the gamble.  Unless you were very confident that Gobert, along with Tatum, Brown and sore-kneed Kemba Walker has a real good chance to win championships, then you do have to take into account the luxury tax, which gets crazy high once you commit to so many max contracts for multiple years.

Kemba doesn’t fit the timeline really... he would have to be traded for Gobert and or Fox or a young and overpaid player like that.
But if next playoffs our starting lineup is:
Fox , Smart, Brown, Tatum, Gobert
Bench - Tristan, Theis, two moderately paid guards that can shoot and defend ...
I think we can take down Nets , Heat , Bucks and Lebrons lakers ... it will be expensive but it might be worth it.

Ummmm you arent getting Fox for Kemba. Kemba until he's healthy for a playoff run has limited to no trade value.

The point  about salary structure is a fair one. The Celtics were never gonna commit 41 million a year to Center, they wouldn't even do 30 million for Hayward. Its because, whether Celtics fans like it nor not, the luxury tax is a concern for ownership. They may go 10 million in, maybe even 15 but I seriously doubt you are gonna see a team thats 20+ million into the tax under this ownership.

[NKY fan]

I think this signing shows how much of a disconnect we as Celtic fans have on a player's "availability" and more importantly, FMV. 

Even if Gobert had reached a standstill in negotiations, and we could have used the TPE and some players to get him, it would have been financially disastrous to sign him for an extension in that ball park given our current salary commitments to two other Max players, plus Jaylen Brown for $20 mm plus per year for 4 years.

Our focus should be on finding decent 3/4 swing forwards who can defend and hit shots. They are out there.

We shouldn’t worry too much about luxury tax and payroll when it comes to the Celtics. If ownership are not willing to pay the tax then the goal is an ECF appearance each year and fans should not be talking about contending for titles.
And by saying luxury tax I don’t mean the occasional million of LT once every 5 years... what I mean is going deep in the tax the way Brooklyn and other teams are going.

In deciding whether or not to sign someone like Kevin Durant, you would be right, you take the gamble.  Unless you were very confident that Gobert, along with Tatum, Brown and sore-kneed Kemba Walker has a real good chance to win championships, then you do have to take into account the luxury tax, which gets crazy high once you commit to so many max contracts for multiple years.

Kemba doesn’t fit the timeline really... he would have to be traded for Gobert and or Fox or a young and overpaid player like that.
But if next playoffs our starting lineup is:
Fox , Smart, Brown, Tatum, Gobert
Bench - Tristan, Theis, two moderately paid guards that can shoot and defend ...
I think we can take down Nets , Heat , Bucks and Lebrons lakers ... it will be expensive but it might be worth it.

Ummmm you arent getting Fox for Kemba. Kemba until he's healthy for a playoff run has limited to no trade value.

The point  about salary structure is a fair one. The Celtics were never gonna commit 41 million a year to Center, they wouldn't even do 30 million for Hayward. Its because, whether Celtics fans like it nor not, the luxury tax is a concern for ownership. They may go 10 million in, maybe even 15 but I seriously doubt you are gonna see a team thats 20+ million into the tax under this ownership.

Fox is getting overpaid next year and Halliburton may make him expendable. There is a chance that matching salaries plus 2 of our prospects plus multiple first round picks do the trick (my reference for value is the Porzingis to Dallas trade).
Then Gobert is very overpaid it may take Kemba plus timelord plus one pick to get him. Utah won’t have a starting point guard next year as Conley is off the books and sucks so Kemba might be appealing to them.
On the second point - if $20M is the max luxury tax bill the owners are willing to take on I think we are not winning a title... not until Danny drafts a Tim Duncan or Kawhi type of player.

[pearljammer10]

I think this signing shows how much of a disconnect we as Celtic fans have on a player's "availability" and more importantly, FMV. 

Even if Gobert had reached a standstill in negotiations, and we could have used the TPE and some players to get him, it would have been financially disastrous to sign him for an extension in that ball park given our current salary commitments to two other Max players, plus Jaylen Brown for $20 mm plus per year for 4 years.

Our focus should be on finding decent 3/4 swing forwards who can defend and hit shots. They are out there.

We shouldn’t worry too much about luxury tax and payroll when it comes to the Celtics. If ownership are not willing to pay the tax then the goal is an ECF appearance each year and fans should not be talking about contending for titles.
And by saying luxury tax I don’t mean the occasional million of LT once every 5 years... what I mean is going deep in the tax the way Brooklyn and other teams are going.

We do have to worry about the luxury tax this year because the Thompson signing and the Hayward sign and trade cap us there. We can’t go over it under any circumstance.

[dannyboy35]

 I think Kemba is next to untradeable for his duration here. Earliest he’s moved probably as an expiring contract. No team is gonna trade anything of value for that knee.
 

[Who]

I do not trust Rudy Gobert to age well. That is a risky contract.

Low skilled player with excellent size but only so-so quickness & mobility. That is a dodgy mix. His game is built on his physical qualities. As his legs slow, he has little else to fall back on.

[keevsnick]

I think this signing shows how much of a disconnect we as Celtic fans have on a player's "availability" and more importantly, FMV. 

Even if Gobert had reached a standstill in negotiations, and we could have used the TPE and some players to get him, it would have been financially disastrous to sign him for an extension in that ball park given our current salary commitments to two other Max players, plus Jaylen Brown for $20 mm plus per year for 4 years.

Our focus should be on finding decent 3/4 swing forwards who can defend and hit shots. They are out there.

We shouldn’t worry too much about luxury tax and payroll when it comes to the Celtics. If ownership are not willing to pay the tax then the goal is an ECF appearance each year and fans should not be talking about contending for titles.
And by saying luxury tax I don’t mean the occasional million of LT once every 5 years... what I mean is going deep in the tax the way Brooklyn and other teams are going.

In deciding whether or not to sign someone like Kevin Durant, you would be right, you take the gamble.  Unless you were very confident that Gobert, along with Tatum, Brown and sore-kneed Kemba Walker has a real good chance to win championships, then you do have to take into account the luxury tax, which gets crazy high once you commit to so many max contracts for multiple years.

Kemba doesn’t fit the timeline really... he would have to be traded for Gobert and or Fox or a young and overpaid player like that.
But if next playoffs our starting lineup is:
Fox , Smart, Brown, Tatum, Gobert
Bench - Tristan, Theis, two moderately paid guards that can shoot and defend ...
I think we can take down Nets , Heat , Bucks and Lebrons lakers ... it will be expensive but it might be worth it.

Ummmm you arent getting Fox for Kemba. Kemba until he's healthy for a playoff run has limited to no trade value.

The point  about salary structure is a fair one. The Celtics were never gonna commit 41 million a year to Center, they wouldn't even do 30 million for Hayward. Its because, whether Celtics fans like it nor not, the luxury tax is a concern for ownership. They may go 10 million in, maybe even 15 but I seriously doubt you are gonna see a team thats 20+ million into the tax under this ownership.

Fox is getting overpaid next year and Halliburton may make him expendable. There is a chance that matching salaries plus 2 of our prospects plus multiple first round picks do the trick (my reference for value is the Porzingis to Dallas trade).
Then Gobert is very overpaid it may take Kemba plus timelord plus one pick to get him. Utah won’t have a starting point guard next year as Conley is off the books and sucks so Kemba might be appealing to them.
On the second point - if $20M is the max luxury tax bill the owners are willing to take on I think we are not winning a title... not until Danny drafts a Tim Duncan or Kawhi type of player.

No, there isn't. Fox may be over paid, I personally don't think so but even if he is the Kings literally just extended him. he is the face of their franchise. They aren't trading him. 

[#1P4P]

$41M per year for Gobert is steep.

I would have tried to keep him in the $30-35M range. If the Mitchell and Gobert pairing doesn’t work and they choose to move on, it’s going to be tough to get FMV even if he’s still an elite defensive player.

Unless they’re able to acquire a star with their other pieces, Utah has comitted themselves to being this generation’s Gasol-Conley Grizzlies.

[DefenseWinsChamps]

I do not trust Rudy Gobert to age well. That is a risky contract.

Low skilled player with excellent size but only so-so quickness & mobility. That is a dodgy mix. His game is built on his physical qualities. As his legs slow, he has little else to fall back on.

The elite length isn't a quality that will age poorly. At the very least, a smart coach could use him like the Bucks use Brook Lopez and just use his elite length by the rim without allowing him to get stuck on the perimeter.