Desmond Bane

[tazzmaniac]

Can someone explain why the Celtics traded this guy to Memphis for essentially nothing? He already seems to have more upside than Waters, G Williams, Fall, Edwards, or Semi, all of whom I really don’t see making it in the NBA. Waters is Phill Pressey 2.0, G Williams is a 6’4” PF, Taco is just too slow/uncoordinated And Edwards looks awful. Semi at least provides some muscle and solid D at the wing position, but he’s basically useless offensively. Seems like a huge waste not taking a chance on Bane, a 6’6” wing who shot 44.2% from behind the arc last year. He’s looked good for the Grizz so far too.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Eiv0S7bG85M

Short arms. Slow setup for jump shot.

But thus far shown that he knows what he is doing out there

And no, you cant say he looks better than Grant Williams

I would take Bane over Grant Williams. Not interested in severely undersized PF’s who can’t shoot or rebound. He gets abused by legitimate PF and C. It was a wasted First round pick, IMO.

they were drafted in different years

argument can be made that Grant was the best pick in the 20s of last season draft

Celts drafted Nesmith in this years draft. Who has a higher ceiling than Bane.

What gives Nesmith a higher ceiling than Bane?  Even if it is higher, is it significantly higher?
Personally I don't think so.  If teams thought Nesmith had a high ceiling, he wouldn't have been available at #14. 

Bane is only 1 year 4 months older.  He's a better defender, better passer, better ball handler and more proven shooter.  Bane doesn't appear to have a slower setup to his shot than Nesmith to my untrained eye.  Bane does have a short wingspan but I think wingspan is overrated. 

I would have gone with Poku and Bane but there was no real reason not to take Bane when he had already taken Nesmith.  You can't have enough shooters who don't need the ball to be affective. 

[Tr1boy]

Can someone explain why the Celtics traded this guy to Memphis for essentially nothing? He already seems to have more upside than Waters, G Williams, Fall, Edwards, or Semi, all of whom I really don’t see making it in the NBA. Waters is Phill Pressey 2.0, G Williams is a 6’4” PF, Taco is just too slow/uncoordinated And Edwards looks awful. Semi at least provides some muscle and solid D at the wing position, but he’s basically useless offensively. Seems like a huge waste not taking a chance on Bane, a 6’6” wing who shot 44.2% from behind the arc last year. He’s looked good for the Grizz so far too.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Eiv0S7bG85M

Short arms. Slow setup for jump shot.

But thus far shown that he knows what he is doing out there

And no, you cant say he looks better than Grant Williams

I would take Bane over Grant Williams. Not interested in severely undersized PF’s who can’t shoot or rebound. He gets abused by legitimate PF and C. It was a wasted First round pick, IMO.

they were drafted in different years

argument can be made that Grant was the best pick in the 20s of last season draft

Celts drafted Nesmith in this years draft. Who has a higher ceiling than Bane.

What gives Nesmith a higher ceiling than Bane?  Even if it is higher, is it significantly higher?
Personally I don't think so.  If teams thought Nesmith had a high ceiling, he wouldn't have been available at #14. 

Bane is only 1 year 4 months older.  He's a better defender, better passer, better ball handler and more proven shooter.  Bane doesn't appear to have a slower setup to his shot than Nesmith to my untrained eye.  Bane does have a short wingspan but I think wingspan is overrated. 

I would have gone with Poku and Bane but there was no real reason not to take Bane when he had already taken Nesmith.  You can't have enough shooters who don't need the ball to be affective.

Don't agree

14 is still considered lottery

A team like Suns could have taken Nesmith but went with size instead.    Maybe there was still a little concern regarding his foot injury earlier in the year

And your argument cuts in two ways. If Bane had such high ceiling, he wouldn't have dropped to 30th.  The issue with Banes is that not that he doesn't know how to play. But physical tools metrics (T-rex arms), ceiling is low.   His jump shot release is low and setup slow, which pigeon holes him to a spot up shooter. 

Nesmith has a long wingpspan for his height.  He is younger. He has a high release.   His 3 pt shooting stats (best in college last season) plus PPG (6-7 pts higher than Bane)  =  better prospect

[PhoSita]

Yeah it was obviously because they didn't want another rookie, but it also seems indefensible to hold onto Carsen, Waters, or Tacko rather than add a wing who seems like he can play.

Of course the simple answer is probably that Ainge didn't think that any of the guys remaining on the board, including Bane, would be able to contribute this season or in the future.  We'll see if that ends up being right, but so far it sure looks like Bane would have been a useful guy to have.

[jambr380]

People should stop brining up Tacko and Waters as 'part of the roster' when discussing the potential of adding Bane. Those guys are on 2-way contracts - we weren't going to draft an experienced collegiate player in the 1st round and then sign him to a 2-way. It just doesn't happen.

I do agree on Edwards - not sure what the plan is for the guy. With Poirier gone, he is now clearly 15 out 15 on the roster...and possibly 17 out of 15 if Tacko and Waters are outplaying him. He's signed for two more years, too, so I guess we'll roll with him for now until he can be added in an outgoing trade.

As for not drafting Bane - I get it, he looks pretty good; but, unless he turns into a borderline all-star, I don't think it really matters. I remember being bummed that we didn't take Rodney Hood over James Young. Of course Hood turned out to be infinitely better than Young, but who really cares? As a top 5-6 team in the NBA, we have the ability to sign actual good players as FAs. Just this year, we signed Thompson and Teague. Unfortunately, we can't develop an infinite number of players, and who our 13-15 players are certainly won't determine how far we go.

[liam]

People should stop brining up Tacko and Waters as 'part of the roster' when discussing the potential of adding Bane. Those guys are on 2-way contracts - we weren't going to draft an experienced collegiate player in the 1st round and then sign him to a 2-way. It just doesn't happen.

I do agree on Edwards - not sure what the plan is for the guy. With Poirier gone, he is now clearly 15 out 15 on the roster...and possibly 17 out of 15 if Tacko and Waters are outplaying him. He's signed for two more years, too, so I guess we'll roll with him for now until he can be added in an outgoing trade.

As for not drafting Bane - I get it, he looks pretty good; but, unless he turns into a borderline all-star, I don't think it really matters. I remember being bummed that we didn't take Rodney Hood over James Young. Of course Hood turned out to be infinitely better than Young, but who really cares? As a top 5-6 team in the NBA, we have the ability to sign actual good players as FAs. Just this year, we signed Thompson and Teague. Unfortunately, we can't develop an infinite number of players, and who our 13-15 players are certainly won't determine how far we go.

What your saying is true but we sure could’ve used someone to make shots in the playoffs last summer. Green and Romeo were injured and waters and edwards were unplayable.

Oh and I forgot Hayward....

[mmmmm]

For all those watching a player light it up in a preaseason game and wondering why the organization didn't just cut Edwards to make room for him, keep in mind that Edwards himself lit it up in the preseason last year and we were all hyping him up exactly the same way.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bYdebWnKBBI

The other answer to your question is that at the time of the draft just a few weeks ago, the Celtics were still contemplating ways to retain Hayward via a new contract and stay under the luxury tax. It was pretty sensible to trade #30 for two future 2nds, given that fact.

This post is full of way too much reason and fact.

TP

[mmmmm]

People should stop brining up Tacko and Waters as 'part of the roster' when discussing the potential of adding Bane. Those guys are on 2-way contracts - we weren't going to draft an experienced collegiate player in the 1st round and then sign him to a 2-way. It just doesn't happen.

I do agree on Edwards - not sure what the plan is for the guy. With Poirier gone, he is now clearly 15 out 15 on the roster...and possibly 17 out of 15 if Tacko and Waters are outplaying him. He's signed for two more years, too, so I guess we'll roll with him for now until he can be added in an outgoing trade.

As for not drafting Bane - I get it, he looks pretty good; but, unless he turns into a borderline all-star, I don't think it really matters. I remember being bummed that we didn't take Rodney Hood over James Young. Of course Hood turned out to be infinitely better than Young, but who really cares? As a top 5-6 team in the NBA, we have the ability to sign actual good players as FAs. Just this year, we signed Thompson and Teague. Unfortunately, we can't develop an infinite number of players, and who our 13-15 players are certainly won't determine how far we go.

Agree 100%.

Aside from the fact that _at the time of the pick_ we were still hoping to keep Hayward and roster slots and salary space were very real reasons for not wanting to take on another 1st round pick's guaranteed contract, it's also not clear to me that Bane would be a fit on this Celtics roster to get many minutes.   He's a small wing with limited switch-ability.   Yes, he's taller than Edwards -- and Edwards is the clear target of 'alternative ire' here -- but he would sort of suffer from the same problem on this roster.

He doesn't have the length & size and potential of the younger, longer, better-shooting Nesmith and isn't remotely close to the ball-handler & playmaker that Pritchard is.   Both those two guys clearly were picked to address specific roles.   Bane was not.

Now, on a different team, there is a fair chance Bane will get minutes and the opportunity to put shots up and will end up looking great on paper.  So we probably won't hear the end of laments on this for some time.

Ultimately, unless he turns into some legit stud, I don't think it's worth getting too bent out of shape over it.    I imagine there are a lot of fans of a few other teams right now wondering why their GM didn't pick Pritchard based on his pre-season showing. 

And as Wiggle points out, probably last year after Carsen's epic preseason 3PT eruption there were a few fans screaming about that.

[gouki88]

For all those watching a player light it up in a preaseason game and wondering why the organization didn't just cut Edwards to make room for him, keep in mind that Edwards himself lit it up in the preseason last year and we were all hyping him up exactly the same way.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bYdebWnKBBI

The other answer to your question is that at the time of the draft just a few weeks ago, the Celtics were still contemplating ways to retain Hayward via a new contract and stay under the luxury tax. It was pretty sensible to trade #30 for two future 2nds, given that fact.

That was back when he had the hair. As soon as he cut it he sucked - coincidence? I think not

[tazzmaniac]

Can someone explain why the Celtics traded this guy to Memphis for essentially nothing? He already seems to have more upside than Waters, G Williams, Fall, Edwards, or Semi, all of whom I really don’t see making it in the NBA. Waters is Phill Pressey 2.0, G Williams is a 6’4” PF, Taco is just too slow/uncoordinated And Edwards looks awful. Semi at least provides some muscle and solid D at the wing position, but he’s basically useless offensively. Seems like a huge waste not taking a chance on Bane, a 6’6” wing who shot 44.2% from behind the arc last year. He’s looked good for the Grizz so far too.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Eiv0S7bG85M

Short arms. Slow setup for jump shot.

But thus far shown that he knows what he is doing out there

And no, you cant say he looks better than Grant Williams

I would take Bane over Grant Williams. Not interested in severely undersized PF’s who can’t shoot or rebound. He gets abused by legitimate PF and C. It was a wasted First round pick, IMO.

they were drafted in different years

argument can be made that Grant was the best pick in the 20s of last season draft

Celts drafted Nesmith in this years draft. Who has a higher ceiling than Bane.

What gives Nesmith a higher ceiling than Bane?  Even if it is higher, is it significantly higher?
Personally I don't think so.  If teams thought Nesmith had a high ceiling, he wouldn't have been available at #14. 

Bane is only 1 year 4 months older.  He's a better defender, better passer, better ball handler and more proven shooter.  Bane doesn't appear to have a slower setup to his shot than Nesmith to my untrained eye.  Bane does have a short wingspan but I think wingspan is overrated. 

I would have gone with Poku and Bane but there was no real reason not to take Bane when he had already taken Nesmith.  You can't have enough shooters who don't need the ball to be affective.

Don't agree

14 is still considered lottery

A team like Suns could have taken Nesmith but went with size instead.    Maybe there was still a little concern regarding his foot injury earlier in the year

And your argument cuts in two ways. If Bane had such high ceiling, he wouldn't have dropped to 30th.  The issue with Banes is that not that he doesn't know how to play. But physical tools metrics (T-rex arms), ceiling is low.   His jump shot release is low and setup slow, which pigeon holes him to a spot up shooter. 

Nesmith has a long wingpspan for his height.  He is younger. He has a high release.   His 3 pt shooting stats (best in college last season) plus PPG (6-7 pts higher than Bane)  =  better prospect

Didn't say Bane has a high ceiling.  Just don't think Nesmith has one either.  Bane isn't just a spot up shooter.  He shoots on and off ball.  Nesmith seems to be just an off ball shooter at this point.
Bane is currently a better ball handler, passer and defender than Nesmith.  Nesmith is only 1 year 4 months younger so that doesn't give him that much of an edge.  Nesmith did shoot really well in half a season against inferior opponents.  However his freshman full season he only shot 34%.  Bane has 4 full seasons (38% as freshmen, 42%+ for his last 3 seasons) showing he's a very good shooter. 

Poku was my high ceiling pick at #14.  Bane was my NBA ready pick at #26.   

[gouki88]

Can someone explain why the Celtics traded this guy to Memphis for essentially nothing? He already seems to have more upside than Waters, G Williams, Fall, Edwards, or Semi, all of whom I really don’t see making it in the NBA. Waters is Phill Pressey 2.0, G Williams is a 6’4” PF, Taco is just too slow/uncoordinated And Edwards looks awful. Semi at least provides some muscle and solid D at the wing position, but he’s basically useless offensively. Seems like a huge waste not taking a chance on Bane, a 6’6” wing who shot 44.2% from behind the arc last year. He’s looked good for the Grizz so far too.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Eiv0S7bG85M

Short arms. Slow setup for jump shot.

But thus far shown that he knows what he is doing out there

And no, you cant say he looks better than Grant Williams

I would take Bane over Grant Williams. Not interested in severely undersized PF’s who can’t shoot or rebound. He gets abused by legitimate PF and C. It was a wasted First round pick, IMO.

they were drafted in different years

argument can be made that Grant was the best pick in the 20s of last season draft

Celts drafted Nesmith in this years draft. Who has a higher ceiling than Bane.

What gives Nesmith a higher ceiling than Bane?  Even if it is higher, is it significantly higher?
Personally I don't think so.  If teams thought Nesmith had a high ceiling, he wouldn't have been available at #14. 

Bane is only 1 year 4 months older.  He's a better defender, better passer, better ball handler and more proven shooter.  Bane doesn't appear to have a slower setup to his shot than Nesmith to my untrained eye.  Bane does have a short wingspan but I think wingspan is overrated. 

I would have gone with Poku and Bane but there was no real reason not to take Bane when he had already taken Nesmith.  You can't have enough shooters who don't need the ball to be affective.

Don't agree

14 is still considered lottery

A team like Suns could have taken Nesmith but went with size instead.    Maybe there was still a little concern regarding his foot injury earlier in the year

And your argument cuts in two ways. If Bane had such high ceiling, he wouldn't have dropped to 30th.  The issue with Banes is that not that he doesn't know how to play. But physical tools metrics (T-rex arms), ceiling is low.   His jump shot release is low and setup slow, which pigeon holes him to a spot up shooter. 

Nesmith has a long wingpspan for his height.  He is younger. He has a high release.   His 3 pt shooting stats (best in college last season) plus PPG (6-7 pts higher than Bane)  =  better prospect

Didn't say Bane has a high ceiling.  Just don't think Nesmith has one either.  Bane isn't just a spot up shooter.  He shoots on and off ball.  Nesmith seems to be just an off ball shooter at this point.
Bane is currently a better ball handler, passer and defender than Nesmith.  Nesmith is only 1 year 4 months younger so that doesn't give him that much of an edge.  Nesmith did shoot really well in half a season against inferior opponents.  However his freshman full season he only shot 34%.  Bane has 4 full seasons (38% as freshmen, 42%+ for his last 3 seasons) showing he's a very good shooter. 

Poku was my high ceiling pick at #14.  Bane was my NBA ready pick at #26.

This isn't even remotely true. Nesmith is routinely creating shots for himself off the dribble. Nesmith is also considerably more athletic than Bane, longer than Bane and younger than Bane (acting like 16 months isn't important at this stage is a bit silly).

Nesmith has a pretty obviously higher ceiling because his athletic profile is considerably more preferable for the NBA, and they have a similar shooting ceiling.

[Goldstar88]

16 pts and 4rb. 6-11 FG and 3-6 from deep. Would be nice to have Coming off the bench... 

[liam]

16 pts and 4rb. 6-11 FG and 3-6 from deep. Would be nice to have Coming off the bench... 

Yeah, I don’t know why people are saying it was Nesmith or Bane when we could’ve had both. I was so happy draft night with Pritchard and Bane. I think the Hayward nonsense cost us that pick. I hope we can get a player with trade exception.

[Goldstar88]

16 pts and 4rb. 6-11 FG and 3-6 from deep. Would be nice to have Coming off the bench... 

Yeah, I don’t know why people are saying it was Nesmith or Bane when we could’ve had both. I was so happy draft night with Pritchard and Bane. I think the Hayward nonsense cost us that pick. I hope we can get a player with trade exception.

I know it’s early and that Nesmith is younger by a year, but it’s going to be super disappointing if Bane turns out to be a better player. He’s shooting over 50% from 3 so far. And yes, I understand that he has the short wingspan...

[trickybilly]

16 pts and 4rb. 6-11 FG and 3-6 from deep. Would be nice to have Coming off the bench... 

Yeah, I don’t know why people are saying it was Nesmith or Bane when we could’ve had both. I was so happy draft night with Pritchard and Bane. I think the Hayward nonsense cost us that pick. I hope we can get a player with trade exception.

I know it’s early and that Nesmith is younger by a year, but it’s going to be super disappointing if Bane turns out to be a better player. He’s shooting over 50% from 3 so far. And yes, I understand that he has the short wingspan...

I loled expecting short sample, getting short wingspan...

[Goldstar88]

From tonight’s game


https://youtu.be/3RFtVxm8EXI