James Harden Holding Out

[Vermont Green]

Knicks are dying to be relevant again but their young players suck and that means they only have toppin plus picks to offer..

Isn't Thibodeau the coach of the Knicks now?  Can you imagine a worse match than Thibodeau and Harden?

[Moranis]

No thank you to trading for James Harden.

Sink or swim with our team.  Add a key piece with TPE.  Hope Kemba knee is manageable.

No to Harden. 

(Unless you can work a trade without giving up Jaylen or Jayson, which you can't, so no).

I one thousand percent agree. He had a ton of talent around him and still cannot figure out how to get over the hump. There is no scenario where I would ever entertain putting a 22 year old Tatum into a deal for a 31 year old Harden. I would also like you say, not want to include Brown. If Danny was tempted though, one of them would be needed to get him. A big NO from me.

I wouldn't move Tatum, but I'd consider Brown.  Harden would have to be fully bought in of course, but I think a trade like below makes sense on some level for both teams.

Brown, Smart for Harden, House

So Boston post trade

Playoff Starters - Walker, Harden, Tatum, Williams, Thompson
Playoff Rotation - Theis, Williams, House, Langford, Nesmith

I think that team is more likely to win over the next couple of years than without making the trade.  Going much past the next couple of seasons, probably lowers the title odds, but I think I'd take a greatly increased chance now verse a lower chance in the future because I don't think Boston is set up all that well to win in the future anyway.

Harden has to buy in, but that team would be very difficult to beat with Harden as the 1, Tatum as the 1a, and Walker as the 3. 

[GreenShooter]

It's getting boring that these players can dictate trades and it's destination. That, along with over reliance on 3 point shooting and fouls being  called every other play, this game is getting really boring or I am getting really old. I'll still follow the C's but not basketball in general like I used to.
I am also boycotting some other things as society in general is crumbling and media and political corruption is at an all time high. F the NBA and the entitled multi-millionaires that whine on a daily basis. Kiss my A$$ Harden and the super team you are trying to join. I hope the fans stop buying tickets at these smaller market teams and send a super strong message.
**Don't mind me, I just woke up in a piiisssy mood.

[RJ87]

Now Harden's open to Philly (or other contenders):

After it was clear there was no traction in talks with the Nets, Harden expressed to the Rockets that he would be agreeable if a trade with the 76ers materialized, sources said. Harden also indicated that there could be other teams that fit his criteria for a preferred destination, a source said.

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/30477567/sources-houston-rockets-james-harden-open-being-traded-philadelphia-76ers-other-contenders

My guess is still Philly, they seem to be the most logical choice with Ben being the centerpiece. I think Morey will play hardball until another team ups the bid. But I think he'll be a Sixer in the end.

[Tr1boy]

Now Harden's open to Philly (or other contenders):

After it was clear there was no traction in talks with the Nets, Harden expressed to the Rockets that he would be agreeable if a trade with the 76ers materialized, sources said. Harden also indicated that there could be other teams that fit his criteria for a preferred destination, a source said.

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/30477567/sources-houston-rockets-james-harden-open-being-traded-philadelphia-76ers-other-contenders

My guess is still Philly, they seem to be the most logical choice with Ben being the centerpiece. I think Morey will play hardball until another team ups the bid. But I think he'll be a Sixer in the end.

At the end of the day I think it could come down to

To Nets:  Harden, fillers
To Rockets:  Dinwiddie, Levert, Allen, 3 1st round picks

OR

To 76ers: Harden, fillers
To Rockets: Harris,  Korkmaz,  Milton,  3 1st round picks

[RJ87]

Now Harden's open to Philly (or other contenders):

After it was clear there was no traction in talks with the Nets, Harden expressed to the Rockets that he would be agreeable if a trade with the 76ers materialized, sources said. Harden also indicated that there could be other teams that fit his criteria for a preferred destination, a source said.

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/30477567/sources-houston-rockets-james-harden-open-being-traded-philadelphia-76ers-other-contenders

My guess is still Philly, they seem to be the most logical choice with Ben being the centerpiece. I think Morey will play hardball until another team ups the bid. But I think he'll be a Sixer in the end.

At the end of the day I think it could come down to

To Nets:  Harden, fillers
To Rockets:  Dinwiddie, Levert, Allen, 3 1st round picks

OR

To 76ers: Harden, fillers
To Rockets: Harris,  Korkmaz,  Milton,  3 1st round picks

Then Houston should hold on to him.

The Pelicans were able to get a MIP/All-Star in Ingram for Davis and he was adamant on going to the Lakers only. No reason for the Rockets to settle if Harden is willing to open up his list and give them a little more leverage. I think they can and should try for Ben Simmons.

[footey]

Now Harden's open to Philly (or other contenders):

After it was clear there was no traction in talks with the Nets, Harden expressed to the Rockets that he would be agreeable if a trade with the 76ers materialized, sources said. Harden also indicated that there could be other teams that fit his criteria for a preferred destination, a source said.

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/30477567/sources-houston-rockets-james-harden-open-being-traded-philadelphia-76ers-other-contenders

My guess is still Philly, they seem to be the most logical choice with Ben being the centerpiece. I think Morey will play hardball until another team ups the bid. But I think he'll be a Sixer in the end.

At the end of the day I think it could come down to

To Nets:  Harden, fillers
To Rockets:  Dinwiddie, Levert, Allen, 3 1st round picks

OR

To 76ers: Harden, fillers
To Rockets: Harris,  Korkmaz,  Milton,  3 1st round picks

Then Houston should hold on to him.

The Pelicans were able to get a MIP/All-Star in Ingram for Davis and he was adamant on going to the Lakers only. No reason for the Rockets to settle if Harden is willing to open up his list and give them a little more leverage. I think they can and should try for Ben Simmons.

And had only a year plus left on his contract. Harden has two years left.

[Tr1boy]

Now Harden's open to Philly (or other contenders):

After it was clear there was no traction in talks with the Nets, Harden expressed to the Rockets that he would be agreeable if a trade with the 76ers materialized, sources said. Harden also indicated that there could be other teams that fit his criteria for a preferred destination, a source said.

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/30477567/sources-houston-rockets-james-harden-open-being-traded-philadelphia-76ers-other-contenders

My guess is still Philly, they seem to be the most logical choice with Ben being the centerpiece. I think Morey will play hardball until another team ups the bid. But I think he'll be a Sixer in the end.

At the end of the day I think it could come down to

To Nets:  Harden, fillers
To Rockets:  Dinwiddie, Levert, Allen, 3 1st round picks

OR

To 76ers: Harden, fillers
To Rockets: Harris,  Korkmaz,  Milton,  3 1st round picks

Then Houston should hold on to him.

The Pelicans were able to get a MIP/All-Star in Ingram for Davis and he was adamant on going to the Lakers only. No reason for the Rockets to settle if Harden is willing to open up his list and give them a little more leverage. I think they can and should try for Ben Simmons.

76ers say no

76ers likely give up Embiid before Simmons

[RJ87]

Now Harden's open to Philly (or other contenders):

After it was clear there was no traction in talks with the Nets, Harden expressed to the Rockets that he would be agreeable if a trade with the 76ers materialized, sources said. Harden also indicated that there could be other teams that fit his criteria for a preferred destination, a source said.

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/30477567/sources-houston-rockets-james-harden-open-being-traded-philadelphia-76ers-other-contenders

My guess is still Philly, they seem to be the most logical choice with Ben being the centerpiece. I think Morey will play hardball until another team ups the bid. But I think he'll be a Sixer in the end.

At the end of the day I think it could come down to

To Nets:  Harden, fillers
To Rockets:  Dinwiddie, Levert, Allen, 3 1st round picks

OR

To 76ers: Harden, fillers
To Rockets: Harris,  Korkmaz,  Milton,  3 1st round picks

Then Houston should hold on to him.

The Pelicans were able to get a MIP/All-Star in Ingram for Davis and he was adamant on going to the Lakers only. No reason for the Rockets to settle if Harden is willing to open up his list and give them a little more leverage. I think they can and should try for Ben Simmons.

And had only a year plus left on his contract. Harden has two years left.

And Harden is the better player. Hate or love his game (I fall into the hate category), he's a perennial MVP candidate and gets you to the playoffs single-handedly. Giving him away for a platter of roles players without getting a young All-Star type would be a huge, fireable mistake.

Then Houston should hold on to him.

The Pelicans were able to get a MIP/All-Star in Ingram for Davis and he was adamant on going to the Lakers only. No reason for the Rockets to settle if Harden is willing to open up his list and give them a little more leverage. I think they can and should try for Ben Simmons.

76ers say no

76ers likely give up Embiid before Simmons

We're going to have to agree to disagree. Pairing Harden with Embiid has shades of Kobe/Shaq, and with the upgraded shooting Philly's gotten, I'd be willing to gamble on Embiid staying healthy to give that a shot.

Pairing Harden with Simmons - yet another ball handler - is something we've seen fail already. And after Simmons struggled to coexist with Jimmy Butler, I don't know how'd he'd handle playing next to James.

[td450]

Now Harden's open to Philly (or other contenders):

After it was clear there was no traction in talks with the Nets, Harden expressed to the Rockets that he would be agreeable if a trade with the 76ers materialized, sources said. Harden also indicated that there could be other teams that fit his criteria for a preferred destination, a source said.

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/30477567/sources-houston-rockets-james-harden-open-being-traded-philadelphia-76ers-other-contenders

My guess is still Philly, they seem to be the most logical choice with Ben being the centerpiece. I think Morey will play hardball until another team ups the bid. But I think he'll be a Sixer in the end.

At the end of the day I think it could come down to

To Nets:  Harden, fillers
To Rockets:  Dinwiddie, Levert, Allen, 3 1st round picks

OR

To 76ers: Harden, fillers
To Rockets: Harris,  Korkmaz,  Milton,  3 1st round picks

Then Houston should hold on to him.

The Pelicans were able to get a MIP/All-Star in Ingram for Davis and he was adamant on going to the Lakers only. No reason for the Rockets to settle if Harden is willing to open up his list and give them a little more leverage. I think they can and should try for Ben Simmons.

And had only a year plus left on his contract. Harden has two years left.

And Harden is the better player. Hate or love his game (I fall into the hate category), he's a perennial MVP candidate and gets you to the playoffs single-handedly. Giving him away for a platter of roles players without getting a young All-Star type would be a huge, fireable mistake.

Then Houston should hold on to him.

The Pelicans were able to get a MIP/All-Star in Ingram for Davis and he was adamant on going to the Lakers only. No reason for the Rockets to settle if Harden is willing to open up his list and give them a little more leverage. I think they can and should try for Ben Simmons.

76ers say no

76ers likely give up Embiid before Simmons

We're going to have to agree to disagree. Pairing Harden with Embiid has shades of Kobe/Shaq, and with the upgraded shooting Philly's gotten, I'd be willing to gamble on Embiid staying healthy to give that a shot.

Pairing Harden with Simmons - yet another ball handler - is something we've seen fail already. And after Simmons struggled to coexist with Jimmy Butler, I don't know how'd he'd handle playing next to James.

I would bet if you put Anthony Davis and Harden on the table for every GM in the league, there wouldn't be 3 that picked Harden.

Harden and Embiid might seem like Kobe/Shaq on the surface, but Kobe and Shaq were hyper competitive guys, especially Kobe. How many times have we seen Harden and Embiid fail to meet the moment? Guys like that are death to a franchise. They are spectacularly talented, but will never, ever win a ring unless some other hyper competitive star drags them along with him.

The number one requirement for winning is a disciplined, super competitive nature. I don't care how good anyone is, if they don't have that, they aren't helping.

[DefenseWinsChamps]

Never gonna happen, but imagine if you could finangle your way into the a three-way deal to get Simmons, and then watch every year as Philly falls apart in the playoffs and the Celtics have three of the best young players in the league locked up long-term.

[RJ87]

I would bet if you put Anthony Davis and Harden on the table for every GM in the league, there wouldn't be 3 that picked Harden.

Perhaps, but it's hard to argue that Harden hasn't contributed more to winning than Davis had until he went to LA. When I say Harden is the better player, I mean that Harden has consistently gotten Houston to playoffs - in the West - throughout his tenure.

I'm sure GM's would factor in AD's age and versatility, I'd personally go for AD. But I also don't know how clear cut the choice would be for others.

Harden and Embiid might seem like Kobe/Shaq on the surface, but Kobe and Shaq were hyper competitive guys, especially Kobe. How many times have we seen Harden and Embiid fail to meet the moment? Guys like that are death to a franchise. They are spectacularly talented, but will never, ever win a ring unless some other hyper competitive star drags them along with him.

The number one requirement for winning is a disciplined, super competitive nature. I don't care how good anyone is, if they don't have that, they aren't helping.

Not sure what this has to do with Simmons vs. Embiid as a trade chip and my overall point unless you're arguing that Simmons is hyper competitive? In such a case, that's highly debatable.

[moiso]

Harden is the better player to put on a team and have him do everything.  Davis is the better player to put on a team trying to win a championship.

[gouki88]

Now Harden's open to Philly (or other contenders):

After it was clear there was no traction in talks with the Nets, Harden expressed to the Rockets that he would be agreeable if a trade with the 76ers materialized, sources said. Harden also indicated that there could be other teams that fit his criteria for a preferred destination, a source said.

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/30477567/sources-houston-rockets-james-harden-open-being-traded-philadelphia-76ers-other-contenders

My guess is still Philly, they seem to be the most logical choice with Ben being the centerpiece. I think Morey will play hardball until another team ups the bid. But I think he'll be a Sixer in the end.

Harden & Embiid PnR is getting towards Kobe & Shaq levels of unguardable, if both buy in

[td450]

I would bet if you put Anthony Davis and Harden on the table for every GM in the league, there wouldn't be 3 that picked Harden.

Perhaps, but it's hard to argue that Harden hasn't contributed more to winning than Davis had until he went to LA. When I say Harden is the better player, I mean that Harden has consistently gotten Houston to playoffs - in the West - throughout his tenure.

I'm sure GM's would factor in AD's age and versatility, I'd personally go for AD. But I also don't know how clear cut the choice would be for others.

Harden and Embiid might seem like Kobe/Shaq on the surface, but Kobe and Shaq were hyper competitive guys, especially Kobe. How many times have we seen Harden and Embiid fail to meet the moment? Guys like that are death to a franchise. They are spectacularly talented, but will never, ever win a ring unless some other hyper competitive star drags them along with him.

The number one requirement for winning is a disciplined, super competitive nature. I don't care how good anyone is, if they don't have that, they aren't helping.

Not sure what this has to do with Simmons vs. Embiid as a trade chip and my overall point unless you're arguing that Simmons is hyper competitive? In such a case, that's highly debatable.

I wouldn't describe Simmons or Embiid as hyper competitive. Neither seems to want to do what it takes to be win a title. I would say Embiid is more valuable the same way Harden is. He does a huge amount for his team day in and day out. But Simmons is more likely to win a ring because he can be used in more ways and could compliment better players more easily. He's also healthier and younger. He'd be the only one I'd be excited to get on the C's.