Pacers GM throw shade at Ainge after failed trade

[Bobshot]

First of all, deals like this almost never get done if they are leaked to the media well in advance of any deal.

Second, Ainge does not have a good track record in these kind of trade negotiations. He plays hardball. He insists on what he wants.

Third, he came out pretty well with a better player in TT for their needs. The main issue will be whether Stevens will play an inside guy for enough minutes to make a difference.
He likes Theis because he shoots the 3 and roams the perimeter.  He gets the main minutes. But he's no rebounder. We'll see what he does with Thompson, an inside guy who can rebound and defend. Are there enough minutes for Theis, TT and Williams ? Maybe if Theis backs up Tatum at the 4, which is what he really is.

How good is Turner? He blocks a lot of shots. He does not rebound. I doubt he fits their need as well as Thompson. They do have a leaper in Williams--and of course, Tacko.

Stevens is going to have to bend his smallball a bit if they want to improve their interior defense. Looks like Ainge is trying to get the tools.

[NKY fan]

First of all, deals like this almost never get done if they are leaked to the media well in advance of any deal.

Second, Ainge does not have a good track record in these kind of trade negotiations. He plays hardball. He insists on what he wants.

Third, he came out pretty well with a better player in TT for their needs. The main issue will be whether Stevens will play an inside guy for enough minutes to make a difference.
He likes Theis because he shoots the 3 and roams the perimeter.  He gets the main minutes. But he's no rebounder. We'll see what he does with Thompson, an inside guy who can rebound and defend. Are there enough minutes for Theis, TT and Williams ? Maybe if Theis backs up Tatum at the 4, which is what he really is.

How good is Turner? He blocks a lot of shots. He does not rebound. I doubt he fits their need as well as Thompson. They do have a leaper in Williams--and of course, Tacko.

Stevens is going to have to bend his smallball a bit if they want to improve their interior defense. Looks like Ainge is trying to get the tools.

One thing to keep in mind is that Thompson has only played on winning teams during the 4 years with lebron. The rest of the time his teams had bottom league records. Cavs were trying to trade him last year but no team was giving them a meaningful asset in return..

Miles has been a starter on a playoff team throughout his career so far and has found ways to contribute.

[tenn_smoothie]

First of all, deals like this almost never get done if they are leaked to the media well in advance of any deal.

Second, Ainge does not have a good track record in these kind of trade negotiations. He plays hardball. He insists on what he wants.

Third, he came out pretty well with a better player in TT for their needs. The main issue will be whether Stevens will play an inside guy for enough minutes to make a difference.
He likes Theis because he shoots the 3 and roams the perimeter.  He gets the main minutes. But he's no rebounder. We'll see what he does with Thompson, an inside guy who can rebound and defend. Are there enough minutes for Theis, TT and Williams ? Maybe if Theis backs up Tatum at the 4, which is what he really is.

How good is Turner? He blocks a lot of shots. He does not rebound. I doubt he fits their need as well as Thompson. They do have a leaper in Williams--and of course, Tacko.

Stevens is going to have to bend his smallball a bit if they want to improve their interior defense. Looks like Ainge is trying to get the tools.

I would love to see Theis and Thompson on the floor together and I believe we would need two bigs out there to beat a Lakers team in the Finals ...... and that is what we should build for, the Finals.

Stevens is going to have to bend his smallball obsession if he wants to win a title. We don't shoot the ball as well as the Warriors did.

[tarheelsxxiii]

First of all, deals like this almost never get done if they are leaked to the media well in advance of any deal.

Second, Ainge does not have a good track record in these kind of trade negotiations. He plays hardball. He insists on what he wants.

Third, he came out pretty well with a better player in TT for their needs. The main issue will be whether Stevens will play an inside guy for enough minutes to make a difference.
He likes Theis because he shoots the 3 and roams the perimeter.  He gets the main minutes. But he's no rebounder. We'll see what he does with Thompson, an inside guy who can rebound and defend. Are there enough minutes for Theis, TT and Williams ? Maybe if Theis backs up Tatum at the 4, which is what he really is.

How good is Turner? He blocks a lot of shots. He does not rebound. I doubt he fits their need as well as Thompson. They do have a leaper in Williams--and of course, Tacko.

Stevens is going to have to bend his smallball a bit if they want to improve their interior defense. Looks like Ainge is trying to get the tools.

I would love to see Theis and Thompson on the floor together and I believe we would need two bigs out there to beat a Lakers team in the Finals ...... and that is what we should build for, the Finals.

Stevens is going to have to bend his smallball obsession if he wants to win a title. We don't shoot the ball as well as the Warriors did.

Per usual, I agree.  Davis, Harrell, and Gasol are going to be tough. They're very capable of adjusting to small ball too, with Morris, LeBron, etc. 

Here's to Tatum coyly using HGH/horse tranquilizers/P90X to show up to camp 30 lbs bigger & stronger.

[tenn_smoothie]

Pritchard confirmed he discussed a potential deal with Boston .......

"We were probably overplaying in the trade but we were trying to get a special player."

I saw the actual quote, "overpayed not overplayed". Makes sense now.

[Uncle_Stingfinger]

Why does it seem so hard for Ainge to deal?  Lots of other gms make good deals frequently.  Honestly Im not sure Ainge changing roles or moving out of the dealing wouldn’t be better for our chances. 

[mmmmm]

Why does it seem so hard for Ainge to deal?  Lots of other gms make good deals frequently.  Honestly Im not sure Ainge changing roles or moving out of the dealing wouldn’t be better for our chances.

Danny literally just made two trades (Kanter, Poirier) to different teams, signed two free agents, signed his own most important free agent to a max deal and is currently negotiating with another team on another deal.

I suspect what you really are asking is why does it seem that Ainge doesn't make the deals that you think he should make.

[keevsnick]

How history views the IND no trade will come down to two factors.

A) What Myles Turner becomes and
B) What the TPE becomes.

I personally like Myles Turner, I think he had a bad year last year in a situation that didn't fit him and that he could very easily turn it around in a new situation and make the c's look dumb for not taking him. But I also understand taking him on was not without risk, and Ainge may end up being right not to do it. 

So we'll see what Danny does with a TPE (if we get one), if he's able to turn it into a better player than Myles Turner then great (keep in mind even if he gets a TPE he'll still need to give up picks/ young guys to trade for somebody with it). If not this will look bad.

[tenn_smoothie]

First of all, deals like this almost never get done if they are leaked to the media well in advance of any deal.

Second, Ainge does not have a good track record in these kind of trade negotiations. He plays hardball. He insists on what he wants.

Third, he came out pretty well with a better player in TT for their needs. The main issue will be whether Stevens will play an inside guy for enough minutes to make a difference.
He likes Theis because he shoots the 3 and roams the perimeter.  He gets the main minutes. But he's no rebounder. We'll see what he does with Thompson, an inside guy who can rebound and defend. Are there enough minutes for Theis, TT and Williams ? Maybe if Theis backs up Tatum at the 4, which is what he really is.

How good is Turner? He blocks a lot of shots. He does not rebound. I doubt he fits their need as well as Thompson. They do have a leaper in Williams--and of course, Tacko.

Stevens is going to have to bend his smallball a bit if they want to improve their interior defense. Looks like Ainge is trying to get the tools.

I would love to see Theis and Thompson on the floor together and I believe we would need two bigs out there to beat a Lakers team in the Finals ...... and that is what we should build for, the Finals.

Stevens is going to have to bend his smallball obsession if he wants to win a title. We don't shoot the ball as well as the Warriors did.

Per usual, I agree.  Davis, Harrell, and Gasol are going to be tough. They're very capable of adjusting to small ball too, with Morris, LeBron, etc. 

Here's to Tatum coyly using HGH/horse tranquilizers/P90X to show up to camp 30 lbs bigger & stronger.

Tar - You are correct Sir. Tatum needs to become a Top 10 player for us to seriously contend.

I saw where Perk compared Tatum to Paul Pierce. Great, but Pierce needed Garnett to finally win a championship, just like Bird needed the Parish/McHale trade, just like Havlicek needed Cowens in the 70's and the franchise needed Bill Russell to get over the hump back in the 50's & 60's. Even if Tatum and Brown both become All-Star/ All-NBA players, they are gonna need some size with talent to compete in the playoffs. That was obvious this season. When will Stevens wake up ?

[Tr1boy]

First of all, deals like this almost never get done if they are leaked to the media well in advance of any deal.

Second, Ainge does not have a good track record in these kind of trade negotiations. He plays hardball. He insists on what he wants.

Third, he came out pretty well with a better player in TT for their needs. The main issue will be whether Stevens will play an inside guy for enough minutes to make a difference.
He likes Theis because he shoots the 3 and roams the perimeter.  He gets the main minutes. But he's no rebounder. We'll see what he does with Thompson, an inside guy who can rebound and defend. Are there enough minutes for Theis, TT and Williams ? Maybe if Theis backs up Tatum at the 4, which is what he really is.

How good is Turner? He blocks a lot of shots. He does not rebound. I doubt he fits their need as well as Thompson. They do have a leaper in Williams--and of course, Tacko.

Stevens is going to have to bend his smallball a bit if they want to improve their interior defense. Looks like Ainge is trying to get the tools.

One thing to keep in mind is that Thompson has only played on winning teams during the 4 years with lebron. The rest of the time his teams had bottom league records. Cavs were trying to trade him last year but no team was giving them a meaningful asset in return..

Miles has been a starter on a playoff team throughout his career so far and has found ways to contribute.

See the highlight below.  2018 game 7  Cavs vs Pacers

Turner and Sabonis combine for a total of 12 pts .... While Thompson alone scores 15 pts, 10 reb

Watch Thompson impose his will on both ends.... Turner wants none of it

Does this change your mind??

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6e8bM8BMH50&t=69s

[Moranis]

First of all, deals like this almost never get done if they are leaked to the media well in advance of any deal.

Second, Ainge does not have a good track record in these kind of trade negotiations. He plays hardball. He insists on what he wants.

Third, he came out pretty well with a better player in TT for their needs. The main issue will be whether Stevens will play an inside guy for enough minutes to make a difference.
He likes Theis because he shoots the 3 and roams the perimeter.  He gets the main minutes. But he's no rebounder. We'll see what he does with Thompson, an inside guy who can rebound and defend. Are there enough minutes for Theis, TT and Williams ? Maybe if Theis backs up Tatum at the 4, which is what he really is.

How good is Turner? He blocks a lot of shots. He does not rebound. I doubt he fits their need as well as Thompson. They do have a leaper in Williams--and of course, Tacko.

Stevens is going to have to bend his smallball a bit if they want to improve their interior defense. Looks like Ainge is trying to get the tools.

One thing to keep in mind is that Thompson has only played on winning teams during the 4 years with lebron. The rest of the time his teams had bottom league records. Cavs were trying to trade him last year but no team was giving them a meaningful asset in return..

Miles has been a starter on a playoff team throughout his career so far and has found ways to contribute.

See the highlight below.  2018 game 7  Cavs vs Pacers

Turner and Sabonis combine for a total of 12 pts .... While Thompson alone scores 15 pts, 10 reb

Watch Thompson impose his will on both ends.... Turner wants none of it

Does this change your mind??

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6e8bM8BMH50&t=69s

1 good game.  Tristan Thompson was so inept for much of that season he barely played.  In game 6 he had 3 points and he played in less than 10 minutes the first 5 games of that series, as a healthy scratch.  That is what I've been saying about Thompson elsewhere.  He doesn't give you consistent effort and was so bad much of that season he barely played. 

[RodyTur10]

Ok so if we assume that turner and McDermott could have been rerouted to a third team for a lightly protected first and second we would have had the picks plus a $25m tpe.
Now we have neither. I understand Pritchard being ticked off by Danny. I assume Danny thought he negotiated from a position of strength so he was thought a lesson.
I also hope this shows Danny’s fanboys on here that he is quite often delusional in trade negotiations

It didn’t really have anything to do with Danny in the end. Gordon got paid more and took the money. Regardless of what Danny offered or didn’t, Hayward would still be a hornet.

What don’t people get about this?

Because GH wanted to be a Pacer

I read that he was willing to take a small paycut

Pacers could not fit him in without a trade

Danny didnt want Turner as the main piece

No trade

Yes, I'm pretty sure if Hayward had the choice (he didn't, because Boston and Indiana never were close to an agreement) between Indiana (102-110 M) and Charlotte (120M) he would have signed in Indiana. But we will never know.

What we do know is that Hayward was at some point interested in signing in Indiana (what is the point of starting negotiations between Boston and Indiana if he wasn't?*).

Whether Hayward had to settle for Charlotte, because Indiana went out of the picture, or that Hayward changed his mind solely because Charlotte came up with a bigger offer, we don't know.

*Can you imagine Danny Ainge calling Gordon Hayward:

"Hey Gordon, I have some good news. You gave us some extra days to work things out and I can inform you that we have a deal ready with Indiana."
"Indiana?"
"Yeah, Kevin Pritchard is probably on the phone right now with your agent to set up a contract."
"Who is Kevin Pritchard?"
"Huh what? Indiana's general manager of course. Didn't your agent inform you what he was offering?"
"No, but I"m not interested in Indiana anyway."
"Hey what! How do you mean??? I asked you a couple of days ago whether you liked going to Indiana?"
"Yes, because I have a house there. Doesn't mean I want to play for the Pacers."
"But we agreed on extending the option deadline and trying to work things out."
"Yeah, I needed some extra time."
"For what? I'm confused. Where do you want to play next season? You know you can always resign in Boston."
"I'm not coming back. I got an offer by Charlotte. I'm signing there."
"Oh, that's a pity for us. When did this happen?"
"A week ago. I just needed some time to write an exit letter to the Celtics fans."
"A week ago?! Why didn't you tell us?"
"Oh sorry. Didn't think it mattered to you since I'm an unrestricted free agent. Hey, I've got to go, Michael Jordan is here to show me how a single player can transform a mediocre franchise into a juggernaut"
"............"
 

[RodyTur10]

If the Cs were going to go into the tax, it sure as heck wasn't going to be for Turner and McDermott. That's why Danny wanted more in return.

If this TPE goes through with CHA, I am more than happy with the decision. Hayward gets more money, we get better, cheaper assets, and Indy gets...nothing.

Sometimes people regret the decisions they made in the heat of the moment. It's pretty clear Pritchard is feeling the aftermath of not trading for Gordon Hayward.

The C's weren't going into the tax with Turner and McDermott. You have to substract the 9.5M of Thompson (who couldn't be signed to the full MLE anyway in that scenario).

Pritchard was willing to give up a starter (Turner is one of their better players) in a sign-and-trade for an unrestricted free agent. By all means that is more than a fair offer and I understand the frustration.

I would have taken that deal. But if Ainge believes that Thompson and a possible TPE is better for the Celtics' future then he has to make that decision regardless of how it looks to others (media, GM's, players, fans). Although you do lose a bit of goodwill that can bite you in the ass later on.

 

[RodyTur10]

Wow, the Pacers front office must be really p---ed. They keep putting out these attacks insinuating the Celtics botched a great offer by asking for too much:

https://twitter.com/ThisIsJMichael/status/1331766667819556865


I credit Ainge for not hampering our team by paying Turner and McDermott for another late 1st that we really do not need.

Stay classy Indy. Gordon took more money than you were offering him. If you really wanted him you would have matched the contract offer and would have sent the Celtics something worth considering.

Hptanzaro,
Did it cross your mind that maybe Danny regrets not taking indys offer now?
I understand supporting the team but this sounds like drinking Danny Ainge cool aide with supplements and performance enhancements

Seeing Turner's defensive stats and his limitations, and knowing Stevens and how he uses players, absolutely not.

Getting a large trade exception along with Tristan Thompson and Jeff Teague is much much better.

And that's not even mentioning that the Pacers offer was not possible to execute as Gordon wanted the bigger contract that Charlotte offered. The Pacers didnt match the money.

Heck, from before free agency started, I would have been happy letting Hayward go if we could retain the ability to use his cap space for someone else. Mission accomplished.

I'm sorry hpantazo, but you're wrong here.

1. What is the point of matching the Charlotte offer when you don't have the cap space or a deal with Boston to sign Hayward?
2. It's very possible that Hayward would have still signed with Indiana for the original offer, despite Charlotte's interest.
3. I find what Indiana offered to Boston very fair. Giving up Warren+Turner for an unrestricted free agent would have been outrageous and hard to sell to the fanbase.
4. I do agree that leaking all the negotiations is unprofessional and is an outlet of frustration.
5. We don't know yet whether we actually get that TPE from Charlotte.
6. Unfortunately we can't use the full TPE for a year by being hard capped due to the non-taxpayer MLE signing in Thompson.
7. It's possible that the Celtics will never find a use for a TPE.
8. Isn't it a bit premature to say that Thompson+TPE will be a much better outcome than Turner+McDermott?

[MaxAMillion]

The GM basically confirmed the obvious. Ainge always asked for too much which is why he can’t make trades at the deadline each year. And of curse the fanboys will deny that Ainge ever tries to over reach because Ainge doesn’t make mistakes. Ainge even stated he should have made moves during Kyrie’s last year but didn’t.

Here at the Church of Ainge, every other team makes the mistakes.