Pacers GM throw shade at Ainge after failed trade

[hpantazo]

If the Cs were going to go into the tax, it sure as heck wasn't going to be for Turner and McDermott. That's why Danny wanted more in return.

If this TPE goes through with CHA, I am more than happy with the decision. Hayward gets more money, we get better, cheaper assets, and Indy gets...nothing.

Sometimes people regret the decisions they made in the heat of the moment. It's pretty clear Pritchard is feeling the aftermath of not trading for Gordon Hayward.

We wouldn’t be in the tax after Kanter and Poirier were moved. Also why so many on here assume we are better with Thompson and Teague minus a second rounder versus Turner and Mac dermott ?
It’s debatable but it’s not obvious which option makes our team better

Because it's pretty obvious the Celtics just aren't impressed with Turner. They don't see his fit on this team and they didn't like what they heard when they called around to gauge his trade value. I think fans need to come to grips with the fact that just because you think you've identified the missing piece for this team, it doesn't mean the Celtics front office feels the same way.

I don’t think turner is the missing piece I just think certain statements are not obvious..

If reports are true, Danny wanted Warren and Holiday but not Turner. I don't have an issue with Danny not settling for a package he doesn't place any value to. If Indy offers up one of those guys in addition to Turner, I think Danny ultimately does the deal because then he's least getting a player the team wants.

How about the first round pick they offered ? You know how much marginal utility Danny assigns on each pick

A late first round pick can be acquired for cash on draft night, honestly. We're not talking about a pick projected to be in the lottery. If Danny essentially viewed the return as two players he didn't want and a pick in the 20-30 range, then that's not value.

Indys pick would most likely be in the 17-22 range .. those are not very easy to obtain.

The way some fans on here form an opinion about Danny’s moves is :
Wait to see what Danny will haul from a trade negotiation.. look at it from 5 different perspective and talk their selves that this the absolute correct decision... defend Danny’s moves even if to a neutral fan those are indefensible ...

Indy would've had the 24th pick in this past draft and they'd be adding Gordon. I don't see how he would've made them worse.

And as I said in another thread, Turner played with four of our players last summer with Team USA (when Popp trusted Jaylen to defend opposing center more than him). The front office likely had all the intel they needed in evaluating his fit here and decided he wasn't a guy they wanted. If Indy offered Ainge something he deemed to be of value, he likely would've agreed to terms.

Yeah. NKY, if you still have doubts, the behavior of the Pacers front office putting out all these leaks to cover their butts is all you need to know.

[wdleehi]

So the Pacers admitted to trying to pay off a team to take Turner`s contract?

[hpantazo]

So the Pacers admitted to trying to pay off a team to take Turner`s contract?

Basically yeah. And now they are upset about it.

[nickagneta]

Gotta think that if Ainge's top four players loved playing with Myles Turner last summer with Team USA and think adding him would make this team great, Ainge would have been less demanding of more talent being added to that proposed S&T. My guess is in scouting Turner and coming to a conclusion about him as a player, that Walker's, Brown's, Tatum's and Smart's opinion of him would be an important part of determining Turner's value. It would not surprise me if Ainge called Popovich and asked him about Turner.

Ainge wasn't high on Turner. Perhaps why is due to how his own players felt about the guy. If Ainge really liked Turner, I think Ainge's push to add more than McDermott wouldn't have been so strong and Turner would now be a Celtic if.....gigantic if here.....Hayward's agent wouldn't have shopped Indy's offer around and find another club, like say Charlotte, to up their bid in major way. That did happen and then Hayward went for the money.

[radiohead]

Wow, I wonder how Turner would feel about this development. Bad move form Pritchard to leak this to the press.

[RPGenerate]

So the Pacers admitted to trying to pay off a team to take Turner`s contract?

Basically yeah. And now they are upset about it.

Haha that's kinda funny. I hope this backfires spectacularly.

[DefenseWinsChamps]

Have any other teams been linked to Turner?

The only team I can see that makes sense is the Kings.

[Tr1boy]

Wow, I wonder how Turner would feel about this development. Bad move form Pritchard to leak this to the press.

He will deny until his face turns blue

Turner:  Were you going to trade me??
Pritchard:  Nooooo.  It was Lamb

[tonydelk]

https://www.nbcsports.com/boston/celtics/pacers-gm-had-some-candid-comments-about-failed-gordon-hayward-trade

Pritchard confirmed he discussed a potential deal with Boston, but from his vantage point, Danny Ainge and Co. asked for too much.

"If you can add a player that materially improves you, you have to take a shot," Pritchard said, via J. Michael. " ... It hurt a little more this time (because) the feedback was he wanted to be here. We were probably overplaying in the trade but we were trying to get a special player."

You rarely hear GMs or execs talk in detail regarding transactions/failed transactions

Danny is greedy. What else is new.  But he is also clever

Sounds like the Pacers gm is bitter and not happy with Ainge/failed transaction

Cant blame Ainge if Turner was not the main piece he wanted back

This is the same GM that traded Paul George for less then what the C's were offering.  Let's not forget this guy is an ass and hasn't dealt with the celtics in an extremely professional manner.  He wants to unload players he doesn't want.  The GM who has the asset wants the players he wants.  Of course there won't be a deal.  Pritchard wants to pay pennies on the dollar and is the one who is tough to deal with yet Danny is the greedy one.  I'm not a Danny defender because he's don't great things and also made mistakes. I just don't think not trading Gordon Hayward to Indy was a mistake.  I'm not a Turner Fan and McDermott isn't a very good basketball player.  Just a bad offer and pritchett can shove his unwanted players where the sun doesn't shine.

[BringToughnessBack]

Sorry Danny is better talent evaluator and did not want the player you are trying to jettison. Sour grapes is not a good look for a GM. Best update your resume.

Thompson is better than Turner..simple...

[NKY fan]

The Indiana Pacers offered the Boston Celtics Myles Turner, a first-round pick and a rotation player for Gordon Hayward last week, a source with knowledge of the negotiations told IndyStar.
"We pursued as hard as we possibly could," Pacers president Kevin Pritchard said about Hayward via Zoom call with media Wednesday. "If you can add a player that materially improves you, you have to take a shot. … It hurt a little bit more this time because the feedback was he wanted to be here. We were probably overpaying in the trade but we were willing to try to get a special player. It can’t come at a cost that’s so debilitating that it doesn’t make sense."
The deal fell apart because the Pacers wouldn’t include a second starter instead of a bench player, a source with knowledge of the negotiations said. The Pacers didn’t have any cap space, so it was the only way to consummate the deal.
Celtics president Danny Ainge had his bluff called, but not by the Pacers. The Charlotte Hornets signed the deal to give Hayward $120 million over 4 years and then Ainge wanted to go back to Indiana to negotiate in "good faith" with Indiana.
It was Hayward’s agent, Mark Bartelstein, who pulled the plug on it. Hayward was heading to Charlotte.
Posted  by dbcb  on Nov 25, 2020 | 9:03 PM

This is Indy side of the story...

[liam]

https://www.nbcsports.com/boston/celtics/pacers-gm-had-some-candid-comments-about-failed-gordon-hayward-trade

Pritchard confirmed he discussed a potential deal with Boston, but from his vantage point, Danny Ainge and Co. asked for too much.

"If you can add a player that materially improves you, you have to take a shot," Pritchard said, via J. Michael. " ... It hurt a little more this time (because) the feedback was he wanted to be here. We were probably overplaying in the trade but we were trying to get a special player."

You rarely hear GMs or execs talk in detail regarding transactions/failed transactions

Danny is greedy. What else is new.  But he is also clever

Sounds like the Pacers gm is bitter and not happy with Ainge/failed transaction

Cant blame Ainge if Turner was not the main piece he wanted back

The Pacers were trying to unload a player they no longer wanted in turner and pick up a former All Star. Maybe they should’ve sweetened the deal. Look what the bucks did to get Holiday.

You snooze, you loose...

Pelicans had him under control for another year, so they were in a stronger negotiating position.  Danny only had Gordon's Bird rights.

Hayward would've been on a new 4 year contract with Indiana.

[CelticsElite]

This is my opinion- Indiana screwed up.  Hometown hero wants to come home, you pay what it takes to get the job done.

[Roy H.]

I’ve gotta say, I would have been fine with Turner, McDermott and a #1.

Let’s hope we get the TPE and it turns into something useful.

[liam]

This is my opinion- Indiana screwed up.  Hometown hero wants to come home, you pay what it takes to get the job done.

Agreed. Indy still has it's Turner trouble and what to do about VO. They could've had a 4-year contract with Hayward. Indy cheaped out when Hayward chose their team. When the Celtics signed Hayward 3 years ago we paid top dollar. Now I know the polish is off the apple but who else is wanting to go to Indiana?