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Re: Hayward sign-and-trade still on the table
« Reply #90 on: November 23, 2020, 06:25:03 PM »

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WOW, this report doesn't shed good light on GH. 

Took the money and ran, rather than playing a reduced role on a winning team like the C's or going home.

Lot's of respect lost today for him.

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/260546/Celtics-Pacers-Were-Each-Offering-Gordon-Hayward-Four-Year-$100M+-Contracts

I really wonder what Hayward would have done had Ainge matched the money Charlotte was offering. Ainge absolutely did the right thing not matching it, but I wonder if they money was the same would Hayward still choose Charlotte. Did he really want out of Boston or was it the money?

I think the only way Boston keeps him is if they offered him the most money outright. I would guess Gordon was at least lukewarm on staying - he did come back early from injury and missed the birth of his son - that's something. But, it seems Robyn wanted to get out the door asap. Thanking the Cheese Shop and police officers that checked on her each day, but not the franchise, teammates, fans, or city is just a little weird. Her community must have been very small - sometimes you just don't click with a place. It happens.
We really have zero indication about what Gordon's (or his wife's) feelings are from this. 

All we know is that Danny most certainly did NOT offer the most money outright and almost certainly would not have come close.   Boston's situation with regard to the luxury tax made finishing all the moves under the tax threshold very important because otherwise each dollar they paid Hayward that pushed them above the threshold would cost them more both in tax this year and also in repeater penalties in 2024.

My estimate is that the most Danny could have offered Gordon and still done his other moves (i.e., using the full MLE) is about ~24M per.    Far, far short of CHA's offer.
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I am a lot more surprised they didn't choose to go back to Indiana if the money was at least semi-comparable. It was a much better basketball situation and all of their family is there. Not a whole lot you can do, but just wish their family well and hope we can get a TPE out of it.

And again, the only thing you can take away is that the offer from IND was almost certainly not comparable.

It would be great to at least create a TPE out of it.   Then Danny can be a player in the trade market, if not now, then near the deadline.

I don't disagree with anything you've said, but it should be known that I have been one of the biggest proponents of getting under the luxury tax on this site. Basically we were looking at three scenarios: 1) Re-signing Hayward for $24M/yr over 4 years, 2) Acquiring Turner and McD and possibly barely skirting that tax, or 3) Acquiring Thompson and Teague w/ the possibility of having ~$15M more to spend while still staying under the tax (if we get that TPE).

Even without the TPE, if our goal was simply to stay out of the tax, then we would not have been able to use any of the exceptions in options 1 and 2 that we just used on TT/Teague anyway. I am satisfied enough with the option we chose. It was less expensive/much better value and arguably just as impactful.

Re: Hayward sign-and-trade still on the table
« Reply #91 on: November 23, 2020, 06:29:14 PM »

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Do you think if Danny knew Hayward would just leave for nothing that he would’ve kept Bane ?

Re: Hayward sign-and-trade still on the table
« Reply #92 on: November 23, 2020, 06:37:22 PM »

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Do you think if Danny knew Hayward would just leave for nothing that he would’ve kept Bane ?

This guy? I hope so!



Re: Hayward sign-and-trade still on the table
« Reply #93 on: November 23, 2020, 06:40:12 PM »

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Do you think if Danny knew Hayward would just leave for nothing that he would’ve kept Bane ?
Nope. Also, who says Ainge picks Bane if he was going to use the pick? Making a big assumption that if Danny was the one actually making the pick(it was Memphis who selected which player Danny chose) that he would take Bane?

Re: Hayward sign-and-trade still on the table
« Reply #94 on: November 23, 2020, 06:40:41 PM »

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Do you think if Danny knew Hayward would just leave for nothing that he would’ve kept Bane ?
I wonder that too.

Re: Hayward sign-and-trade still on the table
« Reply #95 on: November 23, 2020, 06:42:18 PM »

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hayward to Charlotte

Rozier to NYK

Knox and TPE to Boston

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Knox ? The Knicks, of all teams, benched him. Now why would Boston want him ?

He's an undervalued asset.  Manageable contract.  Great size.  Improved 3 point range.  I think he needs to get out of NYC.
This is a wildly incorrect assessment of Kevin Knox. He's 6'7" and 215lbs, went from a 34% 3pt shooting rookie on 5 attempts a game to a 33% 3pt shooting sophomore on 3 attempts a game, and also shot worse from the field (36%) and the free throw line (65%).

Knox is worse than Ojeleye.

The Knicks don’t do any kind of development. Tibs is also not known for development.

Re: Hayward sign-and-trade still on the table
« Reply #96 on: November 23, 2020, 06:43:48 PM »

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Do you think if Danny knew Hayward would just leave for nothing that he would’ve kept Bane ?
Nope. Also, who says Ainge picks Bane if he was going to use the pick? Making a big assumption that if Danny was the one actually making the pick(it was Memphis who selected which player Danny chose) that he would take Bane?

Yeah, that’s hard to say but Bane would’ve given at least a little of what Hayward did.

Re: Hayward sign-and-trade still on the table
« Reply #97 on: November 23, 2020, 06:44:23 PM »

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Do you think if Danny knew Hayward would just leave for nothing that he would’ve kept Bane ?

This guy? I hope so!




BANE!

Re: Hayward sign-and-trade still on the table
« Reply #98 on: November 23, 2020, 06:47:06 PM »

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Do you think if Danny knew Hayward would just leave for nothing that he would’ve kept Bane ?
Nope. Also, who says Ainge picks Bane if he was going to use the pick? Making a big assumption that if Danny was the one actually making the pick(it was Memphis who selected which player Danny chose) that he would take Bane?
a bigger assumption would be to think that bane can contribute significantly to the team this year....or maybe ever.
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Re: Hayward sign-and-trade still on the table
« Reply #99 on: November 23, 2020, 07:12:47 PM »

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Do you think if Danny knew Hayward would just leave for nothing that he would’ve kept Bane ?
Nope. Also, who says Ainge picks Bane if he was going to use the pick? Making a big assumption that if Danny was the one actually making the pick(it was Memphis who selected which player Danny chose) that he would take Bane?
a bigger assumption would be to think that bane can contribute significantly to the team this year....or maybe ever.

Yeah, no way of knowing but I was just wondering.

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« Reply #100 on: November 23, 2020, 10:18:50 PM »

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Do you think if Danny knew Hayward would just leave for nothing that he would’ve kept Bane ?

I doubt it.  Danny doesn't really draft short or negative wingspan players in the 1st round. 

Last one I can remember is Olynyk.  But he is tall                   



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« Reply #101 on: November 23, 2020, 11:02:34 PM »

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Do you think if Danny knew Hayward would just leave for nothing that he would’ve kept Bane ?

I doubt it.  Danny doesn't really draft short or negative wingspan players in the 1st round. 

Last one I can remember is Olynyk.  But he is tall                   

I mean, he literally just drafted Payton Pritchard who is a negative 4.5 wingspan.

Re: Hayward sign-and-trade still on the table
« Reply #102 on: November 23, 2020, 11:07:15 PM »

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Do you think if Danny knew Hayward would just leave for nothing that he would’ve kept Bane ?

I doubt it.  Danny doesn't really draft short or negative wingspan players in the 1st round. 

Last one I can remember is Olynyk.  But he is tall                   

I mean, he literally just drafted Payton Pritchard who is a negative 4.5 wingspan.

Where’d you read that?  I keep seeing a 6’4” wingspan.


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« Reply #103 on: November 23, 2020, 11:12:19 PM »

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Do you think if Danny knew Hayward would just leave for nothing that he would’ve kept Bane ?

This guy? I hope so!



Listed between 7’2”-9’3” and weighs in at somewhere between 350-485lbs? Could sort our big man issue.....
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Re: Hayward sign-and-trade still on the table
« Reply #104 on: November 23, 2020, 11:37:03 PM »

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Came across a report earlier, that Rosier had unfollowed the Hornets on Instagram and then made comments say some times you get moved out of a city.  Apparently he wasn't happy about the Ball pick.

So it looks like he could be odd man out.