Hayward sign-and-trade completed

[RJ87]

Batum, Bridges and 2023 1st (top 3 protected) for Hayward, Semi, Edwards and two 2nds.

This would satisfy me on them not doing the Pacers deal. Saves Hornets a good deal of money. Makes up the Kanter deal too.

Start year as
PG-Walker, Teague, Waters*
SG-Smart, Nesmith, Pritchard, Langford*
SF-Brown, Batum
PF-Tatum, GW, Bridges
C-Theis, Thompson, Timelord

*two way Waters up and Pritchard to SG till Langford is ready again.

There's no reason for Charlotte to give up Bridges and a 1st. This isn't a real negotiation because they can sign Gordon without us facilitating it. I think a TPE and a random end of bench dude should be the height of fans' expectations here.

[Darth_Yoda]

I wonder what player/players the Hornets want to move in this and who Boston is trying to find to take them.

I think there is the potential of Bridges, Monk, Riller or McDaniels.



Side not, kind of surprised about the whole Rozier and Hayward thing and now they are on the same team. I could see mike wanting to move Terry too.

Ball/Graham
Rozier
Hayward
Washington
Zeller

That is the starting lineup next season, imo.

Sign and trade Hayward and Romeo
for
Bridges, McDaniels and TPE?

I think that works all around

Kemba/Teague/PP
Smart/Nesmith/Edwards
Brown/Bridges/Semi
Tatum/GrantW/McDaniels
Thompson/Theis/Timelord

[Darth_Yoda]

Batum, Bridges and 2023 1st (top 3 protected) for Hayward, Semi, Edwards and two 2nds.

This would satisfy me on them not doing the Pacers deal. Saves Hornets a good deal of money. Makes up the Kanter deal too.

Start year as
PG-Walker, Teague, Waters*
SG-Smart, Nesmith, Pritchard, Langford*
SF-Brown, Batum
PF-Tatum, GW, Bridges
C-Theis, Thompson, Timelord

*two way Waters up and Pritchard to SG till Langford is ready again.

There's no reason for Charlotte to give up Bridges and a 1st. This isn't a real negotiation because they can sign Gordon without us facilitating it. I think a TPE and a random end of bench dude should be the height of fans' expectations here.

Hayward, Romeo for Bridges, McDaniels and TPE I think works all around.

Romeo seems a better fit for them, Bridges for us.

[Vermont Green]

Who would be willing to take back Cody Zeller (1 yr, $15M) and a future protected first in a sign and trade?

By taking on Zeller, we get an exemption (Probably around $13M) and a future pick.  For Charlotte, it is the cost of dumping some salary.  Feels like a fair compromise to me.

[johnnygreen]

Is it possible, Danny and ownership would only agree to a sign and trade if the ideal situation presented itself, and anything short of that, then Danny would rather lose Gordon for nothing? Why put the team in a possible luxury tax situation this season, if the pieces don't fit? Don't forget, the ultimate signing this offseason was to extend Tatum, which I believe won't take into effect until the '21-22 season.

[todd_days_41]

I wonder what player/players the Hornets want to move in this and who Boston is trying to find to take them.

While I expect we'd simply want a player's exception, I wonder if Jordan is ready to move on from Monk. He's be an interesting guy to take a flyer on, IMO.

Meanwhile, CelticsBlog just tweeted this:

@celticsblog
Seems like the Celtics could use a vet min wing to give us depth. If the kids (Romeo/Nesmith) earn their time, great. If not, would be nice to have another option.

[Darth_Yoda]

Who would be willing to take back Cody Zeller (1 yr, $15M) and a future protected first in a sign and trade?

By taking on Zeller, we get an exemption (Probably around $13M) and a future pick.  For Charlotte, it is the cost of dumping some salary.  Feels like a fair compromise to me.

Dallas for Powell and Hinton and I would jump over the moon.
Sacramento for Ramsey and Parker
Clippers for ?? and Kabengele
Wizards
Raptors
Bulls for Thad Young

[footey]

Maximize the TPE, good to have the dry powder.

I fantasize that Kings match ATL Bog offer, and then move him to Celtics before trade deadline.

Or maybe we use to get Collins before trade deadline.

[Big333223]

I think the big advantage of the trade exception is that when buy-out season rolls around, the Celtics can jump to the front of the line and say, "You don't have to buy him out, trade him to us and we'll give you a second rounder." The Celtics get their pick of almost any disgruntled vet on any team midway through the season.

[JohnBoy65]

I am confused about the TPE. I understand it's effectiveness this year, and generally they're used for someone on an expiring deal, but what happens if we use it on a player that has multiple years left on his deal?

How does that effect the Celtics cap situation moving forward? We're obviously looking at the hard cap and tax line, but is it actually realistic to think we can use this TPE for a player in the 15 - 20 million range that's on more than an expiring?

[Darth_Yoda]

Maximize the TPE, good to have the dry powder.

I fantasize that Kings match ATL Bog offer, and then move him to Celtics before trade deadline.

Or maybe we use to get Collins before trade deadline.

IMO

Kings would give Barnes into the TPE and probably pay a bit to do so.

Look at their team, alot of youth there, some positional overlap. They dont need and most likely dont want to pay Barnes 60 million dollars to come off the bench. Especially if they resign BB

Fox/Haliburton
Buddy
Brodgan
Bagley
Holmes

I think team could get Ramsey or Woodard along with Barnes for the TPE and say Romeo or Edwards.

Kemba/Teague
Smart/Nesmith
Brown/Barnes
Tatum/GrantW
Thompson/Theis

Grant and Ramsey or Woodard fight out for the 10 spot on the rotation because Nesmith can be a sg/sf and barnes a sf/pf. They can work with either kid in the lineup.

Deal is like this.

Hayward to Charlotte for TPE
TPE and Romeo to Sacramento for Barnes and Ramsey
Barnes and Ramsey to Boston.

[Darth_Yoda]

I am confused about the TPE. I understand it's effectiveness this year, and generally they're used for someone on an expiring deal, but what happens if we use it on a player that has multiple years left on his deal?

How does that effect the Celtics cap situation moving forward? We're obviously looking at the hard cap and tax line, but is it actually realistic to think we can use this TPE for a player in the 15 - 20 million range that's on more than an expiring?

IMO the top target should be Barnes. 22 mill decreasing salary. 3 years. Backup, defensive floor spacing sf/pf

[knuckleballer]

I am confused about the TPE. I understand it's effectiveness this year, and generally they're used for someone on an expiring deal, but what happens if we use it on a player that has multiple years left on his deal?

How does that effect the Celtics cap situation moving forward? We're obviously looking at the hard cap and tax line, but is it actually realistic to think we can use this TPE for a player in the 15 - 20 million range that's on more than an expiring?

IMO the top target should be Barnes. 22 mill decreasing salary. 3 years. Backup, defensive floor spacing sf/pf

Even if we get the TPE from Charlotte, we would still need to stay under the hard cap.  I think we’re about $16 or $17 million under when taking all into account.  We’d still have to clear salary for him. 

[SteveD]

I am confused about the TPE. I understand it's effectiveness this year, and generally they're used for someone on an expiring deal, but what happens if we use it on a player that has multiple years left on his deal?

How does that effect the Celtics cap situation moving forward? We're obviously looking at the hard cap and tax line, but is it actually realistic to think we can use this TPE for a player in the 15 - 20 million range that's on more than an expiring?

IMO the top target should be Barnes. 22 mill decreasing salary. 3 years. Backup, defensive floor spacing sf/pf

Even if we get the TPE from Charlotte, we would still need to stay under the hard cap.  I think we’re about $16 or $17 million under when taking all into account.  We’d still have to clear salary for him.

I'd rather just keep the TPE. Wouldn't it still be good next year ?

[knuckleballer]

I am confused about the TPE. I understand it's effectiveness this year, and generally they're used for someone on an expiring deal, but what happens if we use it on a player that has multiple years left on his deal?

How does that effect the Celtics cap situation moving forward? We're obviously looking at the hard cap and tax line, but is it actually realistic to think we can use this TPE for a player in the 15 - 20 million range that's on more than an expiring?

IMO the top target should be Barnes. 22 mill decreasing salary. 3 years. Backup, defensive floor spacing sf/pf

Even if we get the TPE from Charlotte, we would still need to stay under the hard cap.  I think we’re about $16 or $17 million under when taking all into account.  We’d still have to clear salary for him.

I'd rather just keep the TPE. Wouldn't it still be good next year ?

I think it expires in one year.  So we could use it next offseason.