Can Celtics Still Get Bogdanovic ? Reality Check Request!

[Jvalin]

We’re gonna be hard-capped at $138.6 million.

Right now, we’re at right around $100 million, not counting FAs or draft picks.  Rookies will make around $7 million I think; free agents around $14 million.

So, we’re at approximately $121 million.  If accurate, we could S&T BB into a hypothetical trade exception, starting his salary at $17.6 million.

We can offer him up to $10,235,263 in year 1 (=120% of previous salary), otherwise the Base Year Compensation rule would come into effect.

http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q93

Good luck trying to come up with a valid proposal while taking into account the BYC rule. It may be possible, but I'm really not sure.

Rookies will make around $7 million I think

Here are the exact numbers. They'll make around $5.5 million.

14th pick: $3,458,400
26th pick: $2,035,800
total: $5,494,200

[Roy H.]

We’re gonna be hard-capped at $138.6 million.

Right now, we’re at right around $100 million, not counting FAs or draft picks.  Rookies will make around $7 million I think; free agents around $14 million.

So, we’re at approximately $121 million.  If accurate, we could S&T BB into a hypothetical trade exception, starting his salary at $17.6 million.

We can offer him up to $10,235,263 in year 1 (=120% of his current salary), otherwise the Base Year Compensation rule would come into effect.

http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q93

Good luck trying to come up with a valid proposal while taking into account the BYC rule.

Rookies will make around $7 million I think

Here are the exact numbers. They'll make around $5.5 million.

14th pick: $3,458,400
26th pick: $2,035,800
total: $5,494,200

Are those the 120% amounts?  If so, not bad.

As for BYC, I don’t think it holds up the trade.  We’re not sending salary back, so there’s nothing to match.  We can fit in his salary — whether using his new one or old one — and Sacramento can trade away his salary, whether using his new one or old one.

[knuckleballer]

I think technically what you say is possible. There's a ton of restrictions when it comes to using TPEs, I don't know enough details about Bogdan or Gordon's new contract to know if any of them apply. Are you suggesting a simultaneous or non simultaneous trade? I think the challenge would be convincing all the parties that it would be in their best interest.

As for the 2nd question, if you used $10m of the exception on Tristan rather than the MLE and $20m on Bogdan, aren't you right where you started when it comes to luxury tax?

If we trade Theis for a future (protected) 1st to a contender we'd create enough space to sign Bogdanovic. Then we sign a center for the vet min to compete with Timelord and Thompson for minutes.

Or just trade Edwards and Ojeleye, and sign Bogdanovic to an ascending contract starting at like $18M a year.

Edwards and Semi don’t make much money.  Wouldn’t they be replaced by other minimum contacts such as Waters.  I don’t think that would clear much cap space. 

The bucks traded Donte DiVincenzo to Sac for Bogdan. Donte was the 18th pick in 2018 and played fairly well last year.  I’m thinking we’d need to give up maybe Langford which would also free up a little cap space.  That would allow us to offer Bogdan about a $20 million first year salary which would top Atlanta’s rumored offer.

[BitterJim]

We’re gonna be hard-capped at $138.6 million.

Right now, we’re at right around $100 million, not counting FAs or draft picks.  Rookies will make around $7 million I think; free agents around $14 million.

So, we’re at approximately $121 million.  If accurate, we could S&T BB into a hypothetical trade exception, starting his salary at $17.6 million.

We can offer him up to $10,235,263 in year 1 (=120% of previous salary), otherwise the Base Year Compensation rule would come into effect.

http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q93

Good luck trying to come up with a valid proposal while taking into account the BYC rule. It may be possible, but I'm really not sure.

Rookies will make around $7 million I think

Here are the exact numbers. They'll make around $5.5 million.

14th pick: $3,458,400
26th pick: $2,035,800
total: $5,494,200

BYC doesn't matter because we would be bringing him in to the trade exception. We wouldn't need to deal with wonky salary matching. It would effect the trade exception the Kings could generate, though (it would probably be half of his salary)

I have those same numbers for the picks, good to see I'm not going crazy lol

[Jvalin]

We’re gonna be hard-capped at $138.6 million.

Right now, we’re at right around $100 million, not counting FAs or draft picks.  Rookies will make around $7 million I think; free agents around $14 million.

So, we’re at approximately $121 million.  If accurate, we could S&T BB into a hypothetical trade exception, starting his salary at $17.6 million.

We can offer him up to $10,235,263 in year 1 (=120% of his current salary), otherwise the Base Year Compensation rule would come into effect.

http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q93

Good luck trying to come up with a valid proposal while taking into account the BYC rule.

Rookies will make around $7 million I think

Here are the exact numbers. They'll make around $5.5 million.

14th pick: $3,458,400
26th pick: $2,035,800
total: $5,494,200

Are those the 120% amounts?  If so, not bad.

Yes, you can find all the numbers here.

https://basketball.realgm.com/nba/info/rookie_scale

[RodyTur10]

I think technically what you say is possible. There's a ton of restrictions when it comes to using TPEs, I don't know enough details about Bogdan or Gordon's new contract to know if any of them apply. Are you suggesting a simultaneous or non simultaneous trade? I think the challenge would be convincing all the parties that it would be in their best interest.

As for the 2nd question, if you used $10m of the exception on Tristan rather than the MLE and $20m on Bogdan, aren't you right where you started when it comes to luxury tax?

If we trade Theis for a future (protected) 1st to a contender we'd create enough space to sign Bogdanovic. Then we sign a center for the vet min to compete with Timelord and Thompson for minutes.

Or just trade Edwards and Ojeleye, and sign Bogdanovic to an ascending contract starting at like $18M a year.

Edwards and Semi don’t make much money.  Wouldn’t they be replaced by other minimum contacts such as Waters.  I don’t think that would clear much cap space. 

The bucks traded Donte DiVincenzo to Sac for Bogdan. Donte was the 18th pick in 2018 and played fairly well last year.  I’m thinking we’d need to give up maybe Langford which would also free up a little cap space.  That would allow us to offer Bogdan about a $20 million first year salary which would top Atlanta’s rumored offer.

Clearing just 1 to 2 million is beneficial. We currently are exactly 16M below the tax line. I'd be reluctant to give up Langford. I'd just send the Kings: Edwards + Memphis second round picks (from the #30 trade).

Ojeleye can yield a second rounder and send that to Charlotte (or just include him with Hayward if they want him).

[GreenEnvy]

We’re gonna be hard-capped at $138.6 million.

Right now, we’re at right around $100 million, not counting FAs or draft picks.  Rookies will make around $7 million I think; free agents around $14 million.

So, we’re at approximately $121 million.  If accurate, we could S&T BB into a hypothetical trade exception, starting his salary at $17.6 million.

We can offer him up to $10,235,263 in year 1 (=120% of previous salary), otherwise the Base Year Compensation rule would come into effect.

http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q93

Good luck trying to come up with a valid proposal while taking into account the BYC rule. It may be possible, but I'm really not sure.

Rookies will make around $7 million I think

Here are the exact numbers. They'll make around $5.5 million.

14th pick: $3,458,400
26th pick: $2,035,800
total: $5,494,200

But if we are using the (hypothetical Hayward) TPE to facilitate a S&T, what does the BYC mean here? We probably aren’t sending salaries, just picks. So we’d fulfill salary-matching (whether his previous salary or 50% of his new one) requirements using the TPE, no?

[knuckleballer]

I think technically what you say is possible. There's a ton of restrictions when it comes to using TPEs, I don't know enough details about Bogdan or Gordon's new contract to know if any of them apply. Are you suggesting a simultaneous or non simultaneous trade? I think the challenge would be convincing all the parties that it would be in their best interest.

As for the 2nd question, if you used $10m of the exception on Tristan rather than the MLE and $20m on Bogdan, aren't you right where you started when it comes to luxury tax?

If we trade Theis for a future (protected) 1st to a contender we'd create enough space to sign Bogdanovic. Then we sign a center for the vet min to compete with Timelord and Thompson for minutes.

Or just trade Edwards and Ojeleye, and sign Bogdanovic to an ascending contract starting at like $18M a year.

Edwards and Semi don’t make much money.  Wouldn’t they be replaced by other minimum contacts such as Waters.  I don’t think that would clear much cap space. 

The bucks traded Donte DiVincenzo to Sac for Bogdan. Donte was the 18th pick in 2018 and played fairly well last year.  I’m thinking we’d need to give up maybe Langford which would also free up a little cap space.  That would allow us to offer Bogdan about a $20 million first year salary which would top Atlanta’s rumored offer.

Clearing just 1 to 2 million is beneficial. We currently are exactly 16M below the tax line. I'd be reluctant to give up Langford. I'd just send the Kings: Edwards + Memphis second round picks (from the #30 trade).

Ojeleye can yield a second rounder and send that to Charlotte (or just include him with Hayward if they want him).

I’d prefer to do that too, but is that enough incentive for Sacramento to trade him and enough money for Bogdan to sign with us?  I’d give up Langford for Bogdan.  It’s going to take Langford awhile to develop ( it doesn’t help that he’s always hurt and can’t even practice) and we have a chance to contend now. 

[Jvalin]

We’re gonna be hard-capped at $138.6 million.

Right now, we’re at right around $100 million, not counting FAs or draft picks.  Rookies will make around $7 million I think; free agents around $14 million.

So, we’re at approximately $121 million.  If accurate, we could S&T BB into a hypothetical trade exception, starting his salary at $17.6 million.

We can offer him up to $10,235,263 in year 1 (=120% of previous salary), otherwise the Base Year Compensation rule would come into effect.

http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q93

Good luck trying to come up with a valid proposal while taking into account the BYC rule. It may be possible, but I'm really not sure.

Rookies will make around $7 million I think

Here are the exact numbers. They'll make around $5.5 million.

14th pick: $3,458,400
26th pick: $2,035,800
total: $5,494,200

BYC doesn't matter because we would be bringing him in to the trade exception. We wouldn't need to deal with wonky salary matching. It would effect the trade exception the Kings could generate, though (it would probably be half of his salary)

I have those same numbers for the picks, good to see I'm not going crazy lol

@BitterJim, GreenEnvy

Seems logical. I stand corrected.

TP!

[footey]

We’re gonna be hard-capped at $138.6 million.

Right now, we’re at right around $100 million, not counting FAs or draft picks.  Rookies will make around $7 million I think; free agents around $14 million.

So, we’re at approximately $121 million.  If accurate, we could S&T BB into a hypothetical trade exception, starting his salary at $17.6 million.

We can offer him up to $10,235,263 in year 1 (=120% of previous salary), otherwise the Base Year Compensation rule would come into effect.

http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q93

Good luck trying to come up with a valid proposal while taking into account the BYC rule. It may be possible, but I'm really not sure.

Rookies will make around $7 million I think

Here are the exact numbers. They'll make around $5.5 million.

14th pick: $3,458,400
26th pick: $2,035,800
total: $5,494,200

But if we are using the (hypothetical Hayward) TPE to facilitate a S&T, what does the BYC mean here? We probably aren’t sending salaries, just picks. So we’d fulfill salary-matching (whether his previous salary or 50% of his new one) requirements using the TPE, no?

That's what I thought as well.

Seems like to make it attractive to Bogdanovic, we may have to go higher than $17 mm to start. Closer to $20 mm. This could be accomplished by sending our draft rights to Nesmith.  There has to be something to motivate the Kings to play along. Offering future late first round pick is not going to get this done IMO.

I'd rather not give the kid up, but if that is all that stands in the way to getting Bogdanovich, it's a no brainer. 

We can't send Romeo because you can't mix player salary with TPE. 

I just need clarification that draft rights to Nesmith could be packaged with TPE, can someone speak to that?

[knuckleballer]

We’re gonna be hard-capped at $138.6 million.

Right now, we’re at right around $100 million, not counting FAs or draft picks.  Rookies will make around $7 million I think; free agents around $14 million.

So, we’re at approximately $121 million.  If accurate, we could S&T BB into a hypothetical trade exception, starting his salary at $17.6 million.

We can offer him up to $10,235,263 in year 1 (=120% of previous salary), otherwise the Base Year Compensation rule would come into effect.

http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q93

Good luck trying to come up with a valid proposal while taking into account the BYC rule. It may be possible, but I'm really not sure.

Rookies will make around $7 million I think

Here are the exact numbers. They'll make around $5.5 million.

14th pick: $3,458,400
26th pick: $2,035,800
total: $5,494,200

But if we are using the (hypothetical Hayward) TPE to facilitate a S&T, what does the BYC mean here? We probably aren’t sending salaries, just picks. So we’d fulfill salary-matching (whether his previous salary or 50% of his new one) requirements using the TPE, no?

That's what I thought as well.

Seems like to make it attractive to Bogdanovic, we may have to go higher than $17 mm to start. Closer to $20 mm. This could be accomplished by sending our draft rights to Nesmith.  There has to be something to motivate the Kings to play along. Offering future late first round pick is not going to get this done IMO.

I'd rather not give the kid up, but if that is all that stands in the way to getting Bogdanovich, it's a no brainer. 

We can't send Romeo because you can't mix player salary with TPE. 

I just need clarification that draft rights to Nesmith could be packaged with TPE, can someone speak to that?

Can you not send out a player when using the TPE?  I know you can’t combine his salary with the TPE amount, but if the TPE is $20 million, can’t you trade away a player and receive up to $20 mill back?

The point in trading away Langford or someone else is to create space to remain under the luxury tax.

[footey]

From Keith Smith:

https://twitter.com/KeithSmithNBA/status/1330551282831077379?s=20

[ozgod]

From Keith Smith:

https://twitter.com/KeithSmithNBA/status/1330551282831077379?s=20

Basically doable. You just need to convince all the stake holders it’s in their best interest

[footey]

We’re gonna be hard-capped at $138.6 million.

Right now, we’re at right around $100 million, not counting FAs or draft picks.  Rookies will make around $7 million I think; free agents around $14 million.

So, we’re at approximately $121 million.  If accurate, we could S&T BB into a hypothetical trade exception, starting his salary at $17.6 million.

We can offer him up to $10,235,263 in year 1 (=120% of previous salary), otherwise the Base Year Compensation rule would come into effect.

http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q93

Good luck trying to come up with a valid proposal while taking into account the BYC rule. It may be possible, but I'm really not sure.

Rookies will make around $7 million I think

Here are the exact numbers. They'll make around $5.5 million.

14th pick: $3,458,400
26th pick: $2,035,800
total: $5,494,200

But if we are using the (hypothetical Hayward) TPE to facilitate a S&T, what does the BYC mean here? We probably aren’t sending salaries, just picks. So we’d fulfill salary-matching (whether his previous salary or 50% of his new one) requirements using the TPE, no?

That's what I thought as well.

Seems like to make it attractive to Bogdanovic, we may have to go higher than $17 mm to start. Closer to $20 mm. This could be accomplished by sending our draft rights to Nesmith.  There has to be something to motivate the Kings to play along. Offering future late first round pick is not going to get this done IMO.

I'd rather not give the kid up, but if that is all that stands in the way to getting Bogdanovich, it's a no brainer. 

We can't send Romeo because you can't mix player salary with TPE. 

I just need clarification that draft rights to Nesmith could be packaged with TPE, can someone speak to that?

Can you not send out a player when using the TPE?  I know you can’t combine his salary with the TPE amount, but if the TPE is $20 million, can’t you trade away a player and receive up to $20 mill back?

The point in trading away Langford or someone else is to create space to remain under the luxury tax.

I think not, or at least not unless Kings had the additional cap space to absorb it. I don't really know.

I'd rather keep Langford than Nesmith.

[footey]

From Keith Smith:

https://twitter.com/KeithSmithNBA/status/1330551282831077379?s=20

Basically doable. You just need to convince all the stake holders it’s in their best interest

I'm assuming if $$ right, Bogdan would be cool. Just need to make it work for Kings, which is why I think we have to be prepared to throw in Nesmith rights.  That should interest them more than what the Bucks offered.  Future late 1st round pick is not very appealing.