Explain - Why No TPE With The Hayward Trade?

[jpotter33]

Okay, so I've been thinking about this since the news broke - what is the reason for not getting a TPE for the Hayward trade? This would give us SO much more flexibility this year and offseason to bring in an impactful piece potentially - for example a Boggy S&T, a disgruntled star during the season, or even several role players at good deals to fill out the bench. So what's the deal?

Possible Answer 1: It could be that MJ and/or Hayward just refused to facilitate this due to resentment or not wanting to help out a rival.

Rebuttal 1: I find that doubtful given that we just did a deal with MJ last offseason and seem to still be on good terms with Hayward. And if anything, we could compensate MJ with a few 2nds to get it done. Further, it's not like they would be directly helping out a major competitor. They'll be lucky to be a playoff team this year, so this doesn't seem to be the answer to me.

Possible Answer 2: They don't have anyone that they particularly like that they would use the TPE on, so it doesn't make sense for them to potentially spend a few 2nd rounders to get it if it came to that.

Rebuttal 2: While true there may not be one guy out there right now that we'd like to use for most of the TPE (though Boggy would certainly be a good get), there's always the possibility of a star getting disgruntled during the season, which we would need the TPE to trade for. Further, TPEs can be split into multiple players, which would be pretty useful in potentially filling out our bench. So there still seems like lots of opportunity and promise that could come from having the TPE.

Possible Answer 3: They don't expect us to have championship aspirations this year, and so they don't want to spend the extra money on this if they don't have to.

Rebuttal 3: But I believe the TPE can always be waived and not count against the team's cap or salary if not used. So they could still potentially get it and not have to use it.

So other than Danny being super cheap and not wanting to spend a 2nd rounder or two to get the TPE done, I'm really at a loss for why this didn't happen to give us more flexibility. What are others' thoughts?

[RJ87]

There's still time to work out a sign and trade for a TPE before signings can become official tomorrow.

[Roy H.]

Answer 4:  The deal isn’t official yet and it could be the teams work it out, like they did last year with Rozier.

[Darth_Yoda]

Answer 5. Hayward is a crybaby punk.

Addition by subtraction

[jpotter33]

Answer 4:  The deal isn’t official yet and it could be the teams work it out, like they did last year with Rozier.

There's still time to work out a sign and trade for a TPE before signings can become official tomorrow.

This is my thought/what I'm hoping, as well, because for the life of me it just doesn't seem to make sense otherwise.

All that said, though, why not go ahead right now and do it to know that you have it in your backpocket when negotiating with teams and players? I wonder if maybe he has his eye on a certain player or two and he's testing the waters to see if (a) they will actually consider coming here in the first place, and (b) if he can get them by just using our other exceptions without having to get the TPE.

Also, from Charlotte's perspective why go ahead and waive Batum if there's this possibility? (Though I guess the answer is why not? He'd just take playing time away from the younger guys.)

[mobilija]

Don’t worry we’re getting that TPE!!

How else do you expect us to sign Anthony Davis away from the Lakers?

[Moranis]

What are you giving Charlotte to entice them to trade?

[RodyTur10]

What are you giving Charlotte to entice them to trade?

What did Charlotte give to Boston last year?

answer: a 2nd round pick interchange, this draft Boston got #47 (used on Yam Madar) and Charlotte #56 (used on Grant Riller)

[Tr1boy]

What are you giving Charlotte to entice them to trade?

What did Charlotte give to Boston last year?

Rozier.... you already forget about Rozy?

[jpotter33]

What are you giving Charlotte to entice them to trade?

I mean, generally it’s not that much, right? Usually a 2nd rounder or two, especially when it’s not two competitive teams. Also there’s politics and relationships  in play and future “favors” to be had.

[PAOBoston]

I’m hoping this is the case and teams are just trying to figure out all the details. Maybe MJ returns a favor for a couple of seconds or something.

[jambr380]

A couple of 2nds would be an overpay. We literally traded 2nds with them this draft which amounted to a 9 spot difference late in the 2nd round. They didn’t even give up one 2nd rounder.

If we do not get a TPE out of this, then we will find out quite a bit about Hayward and the lack of good will by a team we did a favor for just a year ago. It really wouldn’t make any sense otherwise.

[keevsnick]

Okay, so I've been thinking about this since the news broke - what is the reason for not getting a TPE for the Hayward trade? This would give us SO much more flexibility this year and offseason to bring in an impactful piece potentially - for example a Boggy S&T, a disgruntled star during the season, or even several role players at good deals to fill out the bench. So what's the deal?

Possible Answer 1: It could be that MJ and/or Hayward just refused to facilitate this due to resentment or not wanting to help out a rival.

Rebuttal 1: I find that doubtful given that we just did a deal with MJ last offseason and seem to still be on good terms with Hayward. And if anything, we could compensate MJ with a few 2nds to get it done. Further, it's not like they would be directly helping out a major competitor. They'll be lucky to be a playoff team this year, so this doesn't seem to be the answer to me.

Possible Answer 2: They don't have anyone that they particularly like that they would use the TPE on, so it doesn't make sense for them to potentially spend a few 2nd rounders to get it if it came to that.

Rebuttal 2: While true there may not be one guy out there right now that we'd like to use for most of the TPE (though Boggy would certainly be a good get), there's always the possibility of a star getting disgruntled during the season, which we would need the TPE to trade for. Further, TPEs can be split into multiple players, which would be pretty useful in potentially filling out our bench. So there still seems like lots of opportunity and promise that could come from having the TPE.

Possible Answer 3: They don't expect us to have championship aspirations this year, and so they don't want to spend the extra money on this if they don't have to.

Rebuttal 3: But I believe the TPE can always be waived and not count against the team's cap or salary if not used. So they could still potentially get it and not have to use it.

So other than Danny being super cheap and not wanting to spend a 2nd rounder or two to get the TPE done, I'm really at a loss for why this didn't happen to give us more flexibility. What are others' thoughts?

I know you dismiss option 1, but it could very well be that simple. I mean sure we did a deal with MJ, we also took their franchise player so its not like they owe us anything.

Could a TPE still happen. Sure. But i wouldn't be shocked if it didn't.

[gouki88]

Answer 5. Hayward is a crybaby punk.

Addition by subtraction

Irony is oozing from this post

[pearljammer10]

Why would Char send a trade exception when they can sign Hayward outright after stretching Batum?

Am I missing something?