Just started to appreciate Gordon Hayward

[rollie mass]

As a point forward that had the ability to integrate so smoothly .The more i watched, the more i appreciated his game and what it meant to Celtics.
There isn't a better veteran that can assist the growth of Brown and Tatum.
We haven't had much luck with free agents and watching Kemba lose that crispness and razor sharp step back of the early season and that burst that was a trademark.
After Al Horford left like that to lose another key piece without a return would be disturbing.

[ChillyWilly]

No worries Rollie he's opting in.

And yes I agree we are better with him on the floor.

[Darth_Yoda]

Team doesnt need "Veterans" to help Tatum and Brown continue to grow.

Already have Kemba who had the biggest impact so far in their growth of any vet they have played with.



And Gallo easily replaces Hayward, for 1.

[RPGenerate]

Team doesnt need "Veterans" to help Tatum and Brown continue to grow.

Already have Kemba who had the biggest impact so far in their growth of any vet they have played with.



And Gallo easily replaces Hayward, for 1.

No he doesn't. He doesn't replace the playmaking and the above average defense that Gordon gives us.

[celticinorlando]

I’ll appreciate him more if he actually ops in. That way they can either keep them or trade him.

[Greengang5]

Team doesnt need "Veterans" to help Tatum and Brown continue to grow.

Already have Kemba who had the biggest impact so far in their growth of any vet they have played with.



And Gallo easily replaces Hayward, for 1.

Kemba has an impact for sure in the way he is professional.  But Haywards game is what they need to watch and emulate. Playing with a wing like Hayward has helped.  Every announcer brings up how Tatum and Brown need to develop their playmaking.  They are both making strides.  They won't emulate Kemba.  Hayward 6th in voting for teammate of the year.  He will be a loss and Gallo is not close to the same player.

[celticinorlando]

They absolutely need veteran talent off the bench. As much as I love Kemba in the locker room off the court he didn’t show much leadership in game in the playoffs. Maybe because that was the first time he actually had gotten that far. But expecting walker to do everything is that a vet needs to do just doesn’t work

[hwangjini_1]

As a point forward that had the ability to integrate so smoothly .The more i watched, the more i appreciated his game and what it meant to Celtics.
There isn't a better veteran that can assist the growth of Brown and Tatum.
We haven't had much luck with free agents and watching Kemba lose that crispness and razor sharp step back of the early season and that burst that was a trademark.
After Al Horford left like that to lose another key piece without a return would be disturbing.

good points rollie. he does make the team better in many ways. tp for the thread.

[Darth_Yoda]

Team doesnt need "Veterans" to help Tatum and Brown continue to grow.

Already have Kemba who had the biggest impact so far in their growth of any vet they have played with.



And Gallo easily replaces Hayward, for 1.

No he doesn't. He doesn't replace the playmaking and the above average defense that Gordon gives us.

Tatum replaces the Playmaking.

The defense is not necessary off the bench from a scorer, Langford will provide bench defense with Grant Williams.


Last season:
Per 100 Assists - Turnovers
Kemba:  7.4 - 3.2 (7 - 2.5)
Smart: 7.3 - 2.6 (6 - 3.5)
Tatum: 4.3 - 3.3 (6 - 3.5)
Hayward: 6 - 2.7


Assist% - Turnover%
Kemba:  24.2% - 10.5%
Smart: 21.1% - 12.1%
Tatum: 14.5% - 10.2% (21.3% - 11.3% in playoffs)
Hayward: 18.7% - 11.2%

Huge improvements from Tatum in the playoffs, but even using his season numbers, Kemba was the best playmaker, Marcus the second best, and tatum right there close to Hayward for the 3rd best.

So we are talking about the necessity of replacing the 4th best playmaker on the team. (I am sure though that some will argue about Hayward and his Hockey assist)
Hayward was tied for second in the secondary assist on the team with Tatum but only 0.1 ahead of Smart, Wannamaker, Brown and Theis.
For potential assists Hayward was third on the team in the regular season, but 4th in the playoffs with Tatums numbers having exploded.

[Roy H.]

I hope he sticks around.

[JBcat]

I hope he sticks around.

I second that.  I think he is under appreciated by some fans.  His advanced stats shows how good he is individually, and how well the team plays with him.

[dannyboy35]

I hope he sticks around.

I second that.  I think he is under appreciated by some fans.  His advanced stats shows how good he is individually, and how well the team plays with him.

   The worst of Boston fans comes out vs. Hayward. Blaming a guy for injuries is pathetic.

[td450]

There is no reasonable way to allow Tatum and Brown to continue to take more responsibility, to keep Kemba, and to give Hayward enough of a role. That is a failure.

Danny fails when he isn't willing to edit some. I want to keep Hayward. If we keep Kemba we will lose him.

[celticinorlando]

I don’t have a problem if he stays. Will be interesting to see what Danny does to improve the team is Hayward is not going to be part of the compensation going out.

[RPGenerate]

Team doesnt need "Veterans" to help Tatum and Brown continue to grow.

Already have Kemba who had the biggest impact so far in their growth of any vet they have played with.



And Gallo easily replaces Hayward, for 1.

No he doesn't. He doesn't replace the playmaking and the above average defense that Gordon gives us.

Tatum replaces the Playmaking.

The defense is not necessary off the bench from a scorer, Langford will provide bench defense with Grant Williams.


Last season:
Per 100 Assists - Turnovers
Kemba:  7.4 - 3.2 (7 - 2.5)
Smart: 7.3 - 2.6 (6 - 3.5)
Tatum: 4.3 - 3.3 (6 - 3.5)
Hayward: 6 - 2.7


Assist% - Turnover%
Kemba:  24.2% - 10.5%
Smart: 21.1% - 12.1%
Tatum: 14.5% - 10.2% (21.3% - 11.3% in playoffs)
Hayward: 18.7% - 11.2%

Huge improvements from Tatum in the playoffs, but even using his season numbers, Kemba was the best playmaker, Marcus the second best, and tatum right there close to Hayward for the 3rd best.

So we are talking about the necessity of replacing the 4th best playmaker on the team. (I am sure though that some will argue about Hayward and his Hockey assist)
Hayward was tied for second in the secondary assist on the team with Tatum but only 0.1 ahead of Smart, Wannamaker, Brown and Theis.
For potential assists Hayward was third on the team in the regular season, but 4th in the playoffs with Tatums numbers having exploded.

The fact that Hayward is even in the debate with two ball dominant guards does more to discredit your argument than anything. Of course those guys will have higher assist numbers. Doesn't make Hayward any less important as a secondary playmaker from the wing. Tatum getting there as a playmaker, but we need a bigger sample size. That playoffs run could just be a hot streak, for all we know. And defense is very important for every player on the court. It doesn't matter that some other player is a good defender; it irrelevant to the conversation at hand.