Rumor: Houston/Nets trade

[KGs Knee]

This would be the epitome of 4 quarters for a dollar. Not a single asset that could potentially become (or already is) a star.  Houston would never do this.

[RodyTur10]

That is a bad trade for Houston and I'm pretty high on guys like Allen and LaVert, but that just isn't enough for a top 5 player in his prime.  Even if Brooklyn threw in a bunch of 1st round picks it isn't good enough.  You need a guy like Simmons coming back for Harden or it isn't worth doing.  And Simmons might very well be available for Harden.

Generally when a team deals a superstar like Harden they want a young player back with legit All Star potential.
Aside from the draft, these are probably the 23 most promising players below the age of 25 (Giannis and Jokic are 25, but won't be traded anyway I assume):

Ja Morant
Tyler Herro
Trae Young
Shai Gilgeous-Alexander
De'Aaron Fox
Devin Booker
Donovan Mitchell
Jamal Murray
D'Angelo Russell

RJ Barrett
Luka Doncic
Brandon Ingram
Jayson Tatum
Ben Simmons
Jaylen Brown

Zion Williamson
Jaren Jackson Jr
Deandre Ayton
Bam Adebayo
John Collins
Domantas Sabonis
Karl-Anthony Towns
Kristaps Porzingis

Not a lot of them available for trade I think, since it wouldn't make much sense for the respective teams.

[tazzmaniac]

Brooklyn -James Harden

Houston- Jarrett Allen, Spencer Dinwiddle, Taurean Prince & Caris LaVert

In my opinion, this be a great deal for Houston..get 4 young starters and maybe more if they trade Westbrook..I just don’t see Harden fitting in with the Nets

Where is this rumor coming from because it sure seems suspect?  Not enough value going to Houston and Nets don't have any good 1sts to add.  Also, Kyrie would blow a gasket.  He didn't like playing 2nd fiddle to Lebron.  He certainly won't like playing 3rd fiddle to Harden. 

[tazzmaniac]

That is a bad trade for Houston and I'm pretty high on guys like Allen and LaVert, but that just isn't enough for a top 5 player in his prime.  Even if Brooklyn threw in a bunch of 1st round picks it isn't good enough.  You need a guy like Simmons coming back for Harden or it isn't worth doing.  And Simmons might very well be available for Harden.

Generally when a team deals a superstar like Harden they want a young player back with legit All Star potential.
Aside from the draft, these are probably the 23 most promising players below the age of 25 (Giannis and Jokic are 25, but won't be traded anyway I assume):

Ja Morant
Tyler Herro
Trae Young
Shai Gilgeous-Alexander
De'Aaron Fox
Devin Booker
Donovan Mitchell
Jamal Murray
D'Angelo Russell

RJ Barrett
Luka Doncic
Brandon Ingram
Jayson Tatum
Ben Simmons
Jaylen Brown

Zion Williamson
Jaren Jackson Jr
Deandre Ayton
Bam Adebayo
John Collins
Domantas Sabonis
Karl-Anthony Towns
Kristaps Porzingis

Not a lot of them available for trade I think, since it wouldn't make much sense for the respective teams.

What do the bolded players represent? 

[nickagneta]

This would be the epitome of 4 quarters for a dollar. Not a single asset that could potentially become (or already is) a star.  Houston would never do this.

Gotta remember, there is no Morey in Houston any longer. Morey would never do this trade.

But Morey and D'Antoni have been purged and I can see ownership and management wanting to change things up after years of playoff disappointments in the Harden era.

Still not a great return if they can't recoup some of the draft picks they gave up to make their currently very flawed team 

[RodyTur10]

That is a bad trade for Houston and I'm pretty high on guys like Allen and LaVert, but that just isn't enough for a top 5 player in his prime.  Even if Brooklyn threw in a bunch of 1st round picks it isn't good enough.  You need a guy like Simmons coming back for Harden or it isn't worth doing.  And Simmons might very well be available for Harden.

Generally when a team deals a superstar like Harden they want a young player back with legit All Star potential.
Aside from the draft, these are probably the 23 most promising players below the age of 25 (Giannis and Jokic are 25, but won't be traded anyway I assume):

Ja Morant
Tyler Herro
Trae Young
Shai Gilgeous-Alexander
De'Aaron Fox
Devin Booker
Donovan Mitchell
Jamal Murray
D'Angelo Russell

RJ Barrett
Luka Doncic
Brandon Ingram
Jayson Tatum
Ben Simmons
Jaylen Brown

Zion Williamson
Jaren Jackson Jr
Deandre Ayton
Bam Adebayo
John Collins
Domantas Sabonis
Karl-Anthony Towns
Kristaps Porzingis

Not a lot of them available for trade I think, since it wouldn't make much sense for the respective teams.

What do the bolded players represent?

Players on teams that have an experienced supporting cast to make a win-now-move by trading a young (potential) star.

Miami (Herro) has Dragic/Butler/Robinson/Crowder?/Adebayo/Olynyk
Sacramento (Fox) has Joseph/Hield/Bogdanovic?/Barnes/Bjelica/Holmes
Utah (Mitchell) has Conley/Ingles/Bogdanovic/O'Neal/Gobert
New York (Barrett) has Payton/Ellington?/Portis?/Gibson?/Robinson +/or cap space(?)
Philadelphia (Simmons) has Richardson/Harris/Horford/Embiid
Indiana (Sabonis) has Brogdon/Oladipo?/Holiday/Warren/Turner

I think for most teams that have a player on the quoted list above it doesn't make much sense to trade for Harden.
Either because the team is too young or inexperienced f.e. Atlanta/Memphis/Phoenix or since he's a bad fit with another player for instance Dallas (with Doncic while Porzingis is traded). Therefore I don't think that package by Brooklyn is terrible, since Houston will never get back equal value for James Harden.

To neutral NBA fans it would be a golden opportunity for the Celtics if they could trade for Harden by only giving up Smart/Brown + picks and finally getting that superstar to compete. But I'm unsure whether we should do that.

[gouki88]

That this idea has been floated is the epitome of James Harden and his routine disrespect. We just saw the return PG got - Harden is the superior player. 

[hpantazo]

That is a bad trade for Houston and I'm pretty high on guys like Allen and LaVert, but that just isn't enough for a top 5 player in his prime.  Even if Brooklyn threw in a bunch of 1st round picks it isn't good enough.  You need a guy like Simmons coming back for Harden or it isn't worth doing.  And Simmons might very well be available for Harden.

Generally when a team deals a superstar like Harden they want a young player back with legit All Star potential.
Aside from the draft, these are probably the 23 most promising players below the age of 25 (Giannis and Jokic are 25, but won't be traded anyway I assume):

Ja Morant
Tyler Herro
Trae Young
Shai Gilgeous-Alexander
De'Aaron Fox
Devin Booker
Donovan Mitchell
Jamal Murray
D'Angelo Russell

RJ Barrett
Luka Doncic
Brandon Ingram
Jayson Tatum
Ben Simmons
Jaylen Brown

Zion Williamson
Jaren Jackson Jr
Deandre Ayton
Bam Adebayo
John Collins
Domantas Sabonis
Karl-Anthony Towns
Kristaps Porzingis

Not a lot of them available for trade I think, since it wouldn't make much sense for the respective teams.

What do the bolded players represent?

Players on teams that have an experienced supporting cast to make a win-now-move by trading a young (potential) star.

Miami (Herro) has Dragic/Butler/Robinson/Crowder?/Adebayo/Olynyk
Sacramento (Fox) has Joseph/Hield/Bogdanovic?/Barnes/Bjelica/Holmes
Utah (Mitchell) has Conley/Ingles/Bogdanovic/O'Neal/Gobert
New York (Barrett) has Payton/Ellington?/Portis?/Gibson?/Robinson +/or cap space(?)
Philadelphia (Simmons) has Richardson/Harris/Horford/Embiid
Indiana (Sabonis) has Brogdon/Oladipo?/Holiday/Warren/Turner

I think for most teams that have a player on the quoted list above it doesn't make much sense to trade for Harden.
Either because the team is too young or inexperienced f.e. Atlanta/Memphis/Phoenix or since he's a bad fit with another player for instance Dallas (with Doncic while Porzingis is traded). Therefore I don't think that package by Brooklyn is terrible, since Houston will never get back equal value for James Harden.

To neutral NBA fans it would be a golden opportunity for the Celtics if they could trade for Harden by only giving up Smart/Brown + picks and finally getting that superstar to compete. But I'm unsure whether we should do that.

I can see Miami moving both Dragic and Herro for Harden.

[tazzmaniac]

That is a bad trade for Houston and I'm pretty high on guys like Allen and LaVert, but that just isn't enough for a top 5 player in his prime.  Even if Brooklyn threw in a bunch of 1st round picks it isn't good enough.  You need a guy like Simmons coming back for Harden or it isn't worth doing.  And Simmons might very well be available for Harden.

Generally when a team deals a superstar like Harden they want a young player back with legit All Star potential.
Aside from the draft, these are probably the 23 most promising players below the age of 25 (Giannis and Jokic are 25, but won't be traded anyway I assume):

Ja Morant
Tyler Herro
Trae Young
Shai Gilgeous-Alexander
De'Aaron Fox
Devin Booker
Donovan Mitchell
Jamal Murray
D'Angelo Russell

RJ Barrett
Luka Doncic
Brandon Ingram
Jayson Tatum
Ben Simmons
Jaylen Brown

Zion Williamson
Jaren Jackson Jr
Deandre Ayton
Bam Adebayo
John Collins
Domantas Sabonis
Karl-Anthony Towns
Kristaps Porzingis

Not a lot of them available for trade I think, since it wouldn't make much sense for the respective teams.

What do the bolded players represent?

Players on teams that have an experienced supporting cast to make a win-now-move by trading a young (potential) star.

Miami (Herro) has Dragic/Butler/Robinson/Crowder?/Adebayo/Olynyk
Sacramento (Fox) has Joseph/Hield/Bogdanovic?/Barnes/Bjelica/Holmes
Utah (Mitchell) has Conley/Ingles/Bogdanovic/O'Neal/Gobert
New York (Barrett) has Payton/Ellington?/Portis?/Gibson?/Robinson +/or cap space(?)
Philadelphia (Simmons) has Richardson/Harris/Horford/Embiid
Indiana (Sabonis) has Brogdon/Oladipo?/Holiday/Warren/Turner

I think for most teams that have a player on the quoted list above it doesn't make much sense to trade for Harden.
Either because the team is too young or inexperienced f.e. Atlanta/Memphis/Phoenix or since he's a bad fit with another player for instance Dallas (with Doncic while Porzingis is traded). Therefore I don't think that package by Brooklyn is terrible, since Houston will never get back equal value for James Harden.

To neutral NBA fans it would be a golden opportunity for the Celtics if they could trade for Harden by only giving up Smart/Brown + picks and finally getting that superstar to compete. But I'm unsure whether we should do that.

I can see Miami moving both Dragic and Herro for Harden.

That isn't much of a return for Harden.  Houston should be able to do a lot better.  Anyway Miami may prefer to pass on Harden and wait for 2021 free agency. 

[jambr380]

That is a bad trade for Houston and I'm pretty high on guys like Allen and LaVert, but that just isn't enough for a top 5 player in his prime.  Even if Brooklyn threw in a bunch of 1st round picks it isn't good enough.  You need a guy like Simmons coming back for Harden or it isn't worth doing.  And Simmons might very well be available for Harden.

Generally when a team deals a superstar like Harden they want a young player back with legit All Star potential.
Aside from the draft, these are probably the 23 most promising players below the age of 25 (Giannis and Jokic are 25, but won't be traded anyway I assume):

Ja Morant
Tyler Herro
Trae Young
Shai Gilgeous-Alexander
De'Aaron Fox
Devin Booker
Donovan Mitchell
Jamal Murray
D'Angelo Russell

RJ Barrett
Luka Doncic
Brandon Ingram
Jayson Tatum
Ben Simmons
Jaylen Brown

Zion Williamson
Jaren Jackson Jr
Deandre Ayton
Bam Adebayo
John Collins
Domantas Sabonis
Karl-Anthony Towns
Kristaps Porzingis

Not a lot of them available for trade I think, since it wouldn't make much sense for the respective teams.

What do the bolded players represent?

Players on teams that have an experienced supporting cast to make a win-now-move by trading a young (potential) star.

Miami (Herro) has Dragic/Butler/Robinson/Crowder?/Adebayo/Olynyk
Sacramento (Fox) has Joseph/Hield/Bogdanovic?/Barnes/Bjelica/Holmes
Utah (Mitchell) has Conley/Ingles/Bogdanovic/O'Neal/Gobert
New York (Barrett) has Payton/Ellington?/Portis?/Gibson?/Robinson +/or cap space(?)
Philadelphia (Simmons) has Richardson/Harris/Horford/Embiid
Indiana (Sabonis) has Brogdon/Oladipo?/Holiday/Warren/Turner

I think for most teams that have a player on the quoted list above it doesn't make much sense to trade for Harden.
Either because the team is too young or inexperienced f.e. Atlanta/Memphis/Phoenix or since he's a bad fit with another player for instance Dallas (with Doncic while Porzingis is traded). Therefore I don't think that package by Brooklyn is terrible, since Houston will never get back equal value for James Harden.

To neutral NBA fans it would be a golden opportunity for the Celtics if they could trade for Harden by only giving up Smart/Brown + picks and finally getting that superstar to compete. But I'm unsure whether we should do that.

I can see Miami moving both Dragic and Herro for Harden.

A Kemba/Smart package along with picks and non-Romeo/TL young guys should easily beat that if the Cs were interested in Harden. I can't imagine Dragic has much value at all at this point (expiring/age) and Herro seems totally overrated. I'm sure I'm just being a homer, though 

[Roy H.]

I want to see this, just so Kyrie will have absolutely no value for the Nets.  He’ll basically be a spot-up shooter who is a malcontent in the locker room.

How many first rounders would the Nets have to add to make a Jrue for Kyrie deal fair? 

[Birdman]

Dragic and Herro would be an awful trade for Houston..Dragic is 35 and Herro is still to early to tell

[Ogaju]

That is a bad trade for Houston and I'm pretty high on guys like Allen and LaVert, but that just isn't enough for a top 5 player in his prime.  Even if Brooklyn threw in a bunch of 1st round picks it isn't good enough.  You need a guy like Simmons coming back for Harden or it isn't worth doing.  And Simmons might very well be available for Harden.

Generally when a team deals a superstar like Harden they want a young player back with legit All Star potential.
Aside from the draft, these are probably the 23 most promising players below the age of 25 (Giannis and Jokic are 25, but won't be traded anyway I assume):

Ja Morant
Tyler Herro
Trae Young
Shai Gilgeous-Alexander
De'Aaron Fox
Devin Booker
Donovan Mitchell
Jamal Murray
D'Angelo Russell

RJ Barrett
Luka Doncic
Brandon Ingram
Jayson Tatum
Ben Simmons
Jaylen Brown

Zion Williamson
Jaren Jackson Jr
Deandre Ayton
Bam Adebayo
John Collins
Domantas Sabonis
Karl-Anthony Towns
Kristaps Porzingis

Not a lot of them available for trade I think, since it wouldn't make much sense for the respective teams.

What do the bolded players represent?

Players on teams that have an experienced supporting cast to make a win-now-move by trading a young (potential) star.

Miami (Herro) has Dragic/Butler/Robinson/Crowder?/Adebayo/Olynyk
Sacramento (Fox) has Joseph/Hield/Bogdanovic?/Barnes/Bjelica/Holmes
Utah (Mitchell) has Conley/Ingles/Bogdanovic/O'Neal/Gobert
New York (Barrett) has Payton/Ellington?/Portis?/Gibson?/Robinson +/or cap space(?)
Philadelphia (Simmons) has Richardson/Harris/Horford/Embiid
Indiana (Sabonis) has Brogdon/Oladipo?/Holiday/Warren/Turner

I think for most teams that have a player on the quoted list above it doesn't make much sense to trade for Harden.
Either because the team is too young or inexperienced f.e. Atlanta/Memphis/Phoenix or since he's a bad fit with another player for instance Dallas (with Doncic while Porzingis is traded). Therefore I don't think that package by Brooklyn is terrible, since Houston will never get back equal value for James Harden.

To neutral NBA fans it would be a golden opportunity for the Celtics if they could trade for Harden by only giving up Smart/Brown + picks and finally getting that superstar to compete. But I'm unsure whether we should do that.

I can see Miami moving both Dragic and Herro for Harden.

why does Harden get disrespected like this? The guy is a top 5 player in the league and is perenially in MVP discussions. He is innovative and creates moves that other player's imitate and here you want to trade him for Dragic and Herro? Are you sure you dont want to add a first rounder from Houston to Miami to complete the total lack of respect?

[RodyTur10]

That is a bad trade for Houston and I'm pretty high on guys like Allen and LaVert, but that just isn't enough for a top 5 player in his prime.  Even if Brooklyn threw in a bunch of 1st round picks it isn't good enough.  You need a guy like Simmons coming back for Harden or it isn't worth doing.  And Simmons might very well be available for Harden.

Generally when a team deals a superstar like Harden they want a young player back with legit All Star potential.
Aside from the draft, these are probably the 23 most promising players below the age of 25 (Giannis and Jokic are 25, but won't be traded anyway I assume):

Ja Morant
Tyler Herro
Trae Young
Shai Gilgeous-Alexander
De'Aaron Fox
Devin Booker
Donovan Mitchell
Jamal Murray
D'Angelo Russell

RJ Barrett
Luka Doncic
Brandon Ingram
Jayson Tatum
Ben Simmons
Jaylen Brown

Zion Williamson
Jaren Jackson Jr
Deandre Ayton
Bam Adebayo
John Collins
Domantas Sabonis
Karl-Anthony Towns
Kristaps Porzingis

Not a lot of them available for trade I think, since it wouldn't make much sense for the respective teams.

What do the bolded players represent?

Players on teams that have an experienced supporting cast to make a win-now-move by trading a young (potential) star.

Miami (Herro) has Dragic/Butler/Robinson/Crowder?/Adebayo/Olynyk
Sacramento (Fox) has Joseph/Hield/Bogdanovic?/Barnes/Bjelica/Holmes
Utah (Mitchell) has Conley/Ingles/Bogdanovic/O'Neal/Gobert
New York (Barrett) has Payton/Ellington?/Portis?/Gibson?/Robinson +/or cap space(?)
Philadelphia (Simmons) has Richardson/Harris/Horford/Embiid
Indiana (Sabonis) has Brogdon/Oladipo?/Holiday/Warren/Turner

I think for most teams that have a player on the quoted list above it doesn't make much sense to trade for Harden.
Either because the team is too young or inexperienced f.e. Atlanta/Memphis/Phoenix or since he's a bad fit with another player for instance Dallas (with Doncic while Porzingis is traded). Therefore I don't think that package by Brooklyn is terrible, since Houston will never get back equal value for James Harden.

To neutral NBA fans it would be a golden opportunity for the Celtics if they could trade for Harden by only giving up Smart/Brown + picks and finally getting that superstar to compete. But I'm unsure whether we should do that.

I can see Miami moving both Dragic and Herro for Harden.

why does Harden get disrespected like this? The guy is a top 5 player in the league and is perenially in MVP discussions. He is innovative and creates moves that other player's imitate and here you want to trade him for Dragic and Herro? Are you sure you dont want to add a first rounder from Houston to Miami to complete the total lack of respect?

Houston wouldn't trade Harden for just that, but I'm not sure they'll do much better than that rumoured Brooklyn package.

What is a package you think some team will give up for Harden and makes sense for Houston that goes in total rebuild?

[Roy H.]

Somebody figure out the details, I want this lineup:

Turner / Theis
Tatum
Brown
Harden / Smart
Jrue



EDIT:  Here it is:

https://tradenba.com/trades/f3ytRLBEp

Just add every possible pick over the next seven years, haha.