Robert Williams III Offensive Abilities

[libermaniac]

  Does anyone else find the “with or without shoes” thing to be really annoying? All anyone cares about is height relative to the league. So annoying .

Well, the league standardized now on 'without shoes' now so that should be clearer so long as you stick to the 'official' listed heights.

The only issue is you still see people referring to the old heights in older articles & web sites, which may or may not be 'with shoes' and often don't make that clear.

Personally, I think people get far too hung up with 'top of the head' height.  You don't play basketball with the top of your head.

A 6' 8" player with a 7' 5" wingspan plays a lot taller than a 6' 8" player with a 6' 11" wingspan.

And differences in weight and strength make a huge difference as well.

That’s so true. I’m about 6-0, but I have a long neck and below average wingspan. My standing reach is about the same as someone who is 5-9. I’ve definitely noticed.

[RodyTur10]

Just a reminder of how good Robert Williams was when given minutes in the bubble:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ju9aPUMxNQ

My favorite Celtic.

Mine too. Just needs to stay healthy. Robert Williams is so talented.

For centers 23 years or younger (admittedly Jokic, Porzingis, Towns and Sabonis are in the 24/25 age group), I take Robert Williams over Jarrett Allen, Wendell Carter Jr, Mitchell Robinson, Ivica Zubac, Mo Bamba, Thomas Bryant and Jayson Hayes. The only guys I would trade Williams for in that category are Adebayo and Ayton (excluding draftees Wiseman or Okongwu).

[NKY fan]

Just a reminder of how good Robert Williams was when given minutes in the bubble:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ju9aPUMxNQ

My favorite Celtic.

Mine too. Just needs to stay healthy. Robert Williams is so talented.

For centers 23 years or younger (admittedly Jokic, Porzingis, Towns and Sabonis are in the 24/25 age group), I take Robert Williams over Jarrett Allen, Wendell Carter Jr, Mitchell Robinson, Ivica Zubac, Mo Bamba, Thomas Bryant and Jayson Hayes. The only guys I would trade Williams for in that category are Adebayo and Ayton (excluding draftees Wiseman or Okongwu).

Are you saying that the Heat messed up by giving the super max extension to Bam or that Timelord will earn the super max extension next season?

[RodyTur10]

Just a reminder of how good Robert Williams was when given minutes in the bubble:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ju9aPUMxNQ

My favorite Celtic.

Mine too. Just needs to stay healthy. Robert Williams is so talented.

For centers 23 years or younger (admittedly Jokic, Porzingis, Towns and Sabonis are in the 24/25 age group), I take Robert Williams over Jarrett Allen, Wendell Carter Jr, Mitchell Robinson, Ivica Zubac, Mo Bamba, Thomas Bryant and Jayson Hayes. The only guys I would trade Williams for in that category are Adebayo and Ayton (excluding draftees Wiseman or Okongwu).

Are you saying that the Heat messed up by giving the super max extension to Bam or that Timelord will earn the super max extension next season?

No, I said that the only guys I'd definitely take over Robert Williams are Bam Adebayo and Deandre Ayton. The rest of them hypothetically offered heads-up I'm fine with Robert.

We know that Robert is a strong rebounder, hustle guy, good passer, incredible athlete and a superb shot blocker. But I think his shooting is also developing and with more experience he will learn to read offenses and defenses. And he has work on his stamina.

[Tr1boy]

Was Timelord eligible for an extension today?

[Jiri Welsch]

Was Timelord eligible for an extension today?

Imagine giving Timelord an extension when he’s played a total of like 3 good possessions of team defense in 3 years (hyperbole obviously)

[Tr1boy]

Was Timelord eligible for an extension today?

Imagine giving Timelord an extension when he’s played a total of like 3 good possessions of team defense in 3 years (hyperbole obviously)

He was effective vs the Raptors in the playoffs.

Raptors munchkins couldnt drive and finish

[gouki88]

Just a reminder of how good Robert Williams was when given minutes in the bubble:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ju9aPUMxNQ

My favorite Celtic.

Mine too. Just needs to stay healthy. Robert Williams is so talented.

For centers 23 years or younger (admittedly Jokic, Porzingis, Towns and Sabonis are in the 24/25 age group), I take Robert Williams over Jarrett Allen, Wendell Carter Jr, Mitchell Robinson, Ivica Zubac, Mo Bamba, Thomas Bryant and Jayson Hayes. The only guys I would trade Williams for in that category are Adebayo and Ayton (excluding draftees Wiseman or Okongwu).

That is some of the most blinding homerism I've ever seen.

[RodyTur10]

Just a reminder of how good Robert Williams was when given minutes in the bubble:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ju9aPUMxNQ

My favorite Celtic.

Mine too. Just needs to stay healthy. Robert Williams is so talented.

For centers 23 years or younger (admittedly Jokic, Porzingis, Towns and Sabonis are in the 24/25 age group), I take Robert Williams over Jarrett Allen, Wendell Carter Jr, Mitchell Robinson, Ivica Zubac, Mo Bamba, Thomas Bryant and Jayson Hayes. The only guys I would trade Williams for in that category are Adebayo and Ayton (excluding draftees Wiseman or Okongwu).

That is some of the most blinding homerism I've ever seen.

I just see lots of potential in Robert Williams.
Of our unproven yougsters on rookie contracts (Pritchard, Edwards, Langford, Nesmith, G.Williams, R.Williams) I have the most faith in Robert Williams to become an above average starting player in the NBA.

Let him play through his mistakes and he may really blossom. A center with that kind of athletism, wingspan, hustle, passing ability and shooting potential is rare.

[footey]

Just a reminder of how good Robert Williams was when given minutes in the bubble:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ju9aPUMxNQ

My favorite Celtic.

Mine too. Just needs to stay healthy. Robert Williams is so talented.

For centers 23 years or younger (admittedly Jokic, Porzingis, Towns and Sabonis are in the 24/25 age group), I take Robert Williams over Jarrett Allen, Wendell Carter Jr, Mitchell Robinson, Ivica Zubac, Mo Bamba, Thomas Bryant and Jayson Hayes. The only guys I would trade Williams for in that category are Adebayo and Ayton (excluding draftees Wiseman or Okongwu).

That is some of the most blinding homerism I've ever seen.

Maybe.

But who among those guys he would take Robert over would you take over Robert?

[Somebody]

Just a reminder of how good Robert Williams was when given minutes in the bubble:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ju9aPUMxNQ

My favorite Celtic.

Mine too. Just needs to stay healthy. Robert Williams is so talented.

For centers 23 years or younger (admittedly Jokic, Porzingis, Towns and Sabonis are in the 24/25 age group), I take Robert Williams over Jarrett Allen, Wendell Carter Jr, Mitchell Robinson, Ivica Zubac, Mo Bamba, Thomas Bryant and Jayson Hayes. The only guys I would trade Williams for in that category are Adebayo and Ayton (excluding draftees Wiseman or Okongwu).

That is some of the most blinding homerism I've ever seen.

Maybe.

But who among those guys he would take Robert over would you take over Robert?

Almost all of them tbh . Only guy who I feel that it's somewhat arguable is Mo Bamba.

[AshyLarry]

Just a reminder of how good Robert Williams was when given minutes in the bubble:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ju9aPUMxNQ

My favorite Celtic.

Mine too. Just needs to stay healthy. Robert Williams is so talented.

For centers 23 years or younger (admittedly Jokic, Porzingis, Towns and Sabonis are in the 24/25 age group), I take Robert Williams over Jarrett Allen, Wendell Carter Jr, Mitchell Robinson, Ivica Zubac, Mo Bamba, Thomas Bryant and Jayson Hayes. The only guys I would trade Williams for in that category are Adebayo and Ayton (excluding draftees Wiseman or Okongwu).

That is some of the most blinding homerism I've ever seen.

Maybe.

But who among those guys he would take Robert over would you take over Robert?

Almost all of them tbh . Only guy who I feel that it's somewhat arguable is Mo Bamba.

I’m a big Bob-Will guy, but I’ll be honest- I’ve thought over and over we can use the length of (any guy mentioned above) in addition to our bigs. Granted, this was before the TT signing, but he’s not much taller than Bob- just a bigger presence (which should be nice).

[footey]

Just a reminder of how good Robert Williams was when given minutes in the bubble:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ju9aPUMxNQ

My favorite Celtic.

Mine too. Just needs to stay healthy. Robert Williams is so talented.

For centers 23 years or younger (admittedly Jokic, Porzingis, Towns and Sabonis are in the 24/25 age group), I take Robert Williams over Jarrett Allen, Wendell Carter Jr, Mitchell Robinson, Ivica Zubac, Mo Bamba, Thomas Bryant and Jayson Hayes. The only guys I would trade Williams for in that category are Adebayo and Ayton (excluding draftees Wiseman or Okongwu).

That is some of the most blinding homerism I've ever seen.

Maybe.

But who among those guys he would take Robert over would you take over Robert?

Almost all of them tbh . Only guy who I feel that it's somewhat arguable is Mo Bamba.

Robert outplayed Jared Allen in the bubble. The talent difference was palpable.
WCJ is the most over-rated center on this board.  He may turn out to be decent, but to date he has performed well below expectations.
Mitchell Robinson has worse BBIQ than Robert; he's not even able to get start on that awful Knicks lineup.
Zubac is better than Robert now especially on the offensive end, but it's at least debatable who will fit in better for our team in the long run.
Mo Bamba? Please. He can't get burn on the Magic!!
Bryant is better right now than Robert, but Robert has much more upside. Still I'm not offended if you would prefer Bryant.
Hayes was a huge disappointment his rookie year. So bad that the Pels felt compelled to over pay for Adams to come in as their center. He seems destined to be a career back up.  I liked him in the draft, but so far he has been a huge disappointment.

[Jiri Welsch]

I just can’t take Williams seriously as a prospect until he proves that he doesn’t stink on defense. His blocks are fun to watch but for every block there are three or four moments where he’s either committing silly fouls, leaving his feet, or simply out of position.

I don’t think he’s hopeless, but I also think he’s always going to be a limited player who gives spot minutes.

[Somebody]

Just a reminder of how good Robert Williams was when given minutes in the bubble:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ju9aPUMxNQ

My favorite Celtic.

Mine too. Just needs to stay healthy. Robert Williams is so talented.

For centers 23 years or younger (admittedly Jokic, Porzingis, Towns and Sabonis are in the 24/25 age group), I take Robert Williams over Jarrett Allen, Wendell Carter Jr, Mitchell Robinson, Ivica Zubac, Mo Bamba, Thomas Bryant and Jayson Hayes. The only guys I would trade Williams for in that category are Adebayo and Ayton (excluding draftees Wiseman or Okongwu).

That is some of the most blinding homerism I've ever seen.

Maybe.

But who among those guys he would take Robert over would you take over Robert?

Almost all of them tbh . Only guy who I feel that it's somewhat arguable is Mo Bamba.

Robert outplayed Jared Allen in the bubble. The talent difference was palpable.
WCJ is the most over-rated center on this board.  He may turn out to be decent, but to date he has performed well below expectations.
Mitchell Robinson has worse BBIQ than Robert; he's not even able to get start on that awful Knicks lineup.
Zubac is better than Robert now especially on the offensive end, but it's at least debatable who will fit in better for our team in the long run.
Mo Bamba? Please. He can't get burn on the Magic!!
Bryant is better right now than Robert, but Robert has much more upside. Still I'm not offended if you would prefer Bryant.
Hayes was a huge disappointment his rookie year. So bad that the Pels felt compelled to over pay for Adams to come in as their center. He seems destined to be a career back up.  I liked him in the draft, but so far he has been a huge disappointment.

A single matchup in one game decides which player is the better talent?

Overrated or not, he's still a starting centre in the league, Williams would be a bench big on that Bulls squad.

Williams isn't a basketball genius either, and I doubt he'd get more opportunities to start on that Knicks team.

I'd take the 22 year old who could already be a spot starter for a title contender over the 22 year old third string big lol.

He got as much burn as Robert Williams on a per game basis last season and he was actually healthy

Don't see the upside advantage you're talking about unless you're expecting a very raw defensive big man to make the leap into a defensive giant while the skilled offensive big who's good enough to start on an NBA team to just stagnate and not improve.

Such a disappointment that the Pelicans played him more minutes than Robert Williams