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Re: Robert Williams III Offensive Abilities
« Reply #15 on: November 16, 2020, 09:05:18 AM »

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   The RW pick always surprises me. I think there’s potential but I don’t think he’ll be valued enough here. I don’t have confidence in Brad with him. I think he’s be better served elsewhere.

Re: Robert Williams III Offensive Abilities
« Reply #16 on: November 16, 2020, 09:07:52 AM »

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  Does anyone else find the “with or without shoes” thing to be really annoying? All anyone cares about is height relative to the league. So annoying .

Re: Robert Williams III Offensive Abilities
« Reply #17 on: November 16, 2020, 09:29:51 AM »

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  Does anyone else find the “with or without shoes” thing to be really annoying? All anyone cares about is height relative to the league. So annoying .

Well, the league standardized now on 'without shoes' now so that should be clearer so long as you stick to the 'official' listed heights.

The only issue is you still see people referring to the old heights in older articles & web sites, which may or may not be 'with shoes' and often don't make that clear.

Personally, I think people get far too hung up with 'top of the head' height.  You don't play basketball with the top of your head.

A 6' 8" player with a 7' 5" wingspan plays a lot taller than a 6' 8" player with a 6' 11" wingspan.

And differences in weight and strength make a huge difference as well.
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Re: Robert Williams III Offensive Abilities
« Reply #18 on: November 16, 2020, 09:41:13 AM »

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I don't think the issue with Robert is his offence (as strange as that sounds), he just really needs to work on his lateral quickness so we don't need to use him as a drop big when guarding the high PnR.
TP! Couldn't agree more! Here's the problem though: Can you name a player who didn't move well laterally early on his career and became a good on-ball defender later on? Imo, either you got it or you don't (at least to a large extent).

Timelord is only 6'8''. He's the same height as Tatum and Hayward, he's super athletic, yet he cannot play D on the perimeter. If he moved well laterally, he would have already become our starter. This is the one thing that holds him back. Unlike Theis, he cannot switch ball screens on the perimeter.

I don't buy this. Theis got burned on ball screens just as much as TL in the playoffs.  Especially vs Toronto/Ibaka.  Just no one talks about that. Plus Williams did a better job defending Bam than Theis, who got destroyed by him.

Ibaka wasn't beating anyone. He was drilling 3's off of PnR actions with two very clever guards.

Bam is a special category (with Giannis/AD) who can take someone off the dribble, read the defense and is strong enough to drive right through a full sized center and finish over them. Perhaps Williams would be occasionally better against that particular situation, but those guys are superstars and kill everyone.

The far more common problem is when teams force switches with wings and guards. Every team in the league has smaller players that have moves to freeze big guys in space. Theis really gets low against smaller guys and does a great job. Williams gets toyed with. It isn't just quickness, its a balance/read/reaction skill.


Re: Robert Williams III Offensive Abilities
« Reply #19 on: November 16, 2020, 10:39:39 AM »

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I don't think the issue with Robert is his offence (as strange as that sounds), he just really needs to work on his lateral quickness so we don't need to use him as a drop big when guarding the high PnR.
TP! Couldn't agree more! Here's the problem though: Can you name a player who didn't move well laterally early on his career and became a good on-ball defender later on? Imo, either you got it or you don't (at least to a large extent).

Timelord is only 6'8''. He's the same height as Tatum and Hayward, he's super athletic, yet he cannot play D on the perimeter. If he moved well laterally, he would have already become our starter. This is the one thing that holds him back. Unlike Theis, he cannot switch ball screens on the perimeter.

I don't buy this. Theis got burned on ball screens just as much as TL in the playoffs.  Especially vs Toronto/Ibaka.  Just no one talks about that. Plus Williams did a better job defending Bam than Theis, who got destroyed by him.

Ibaka wasn't beating anyone. He was drilling 3's off of PnR actions with two very clever guards.

Bam is a special category (with Giannis/AD) who can take someone off the dribble, read the defense and is strong enough to drive right through a full sized center and finish over them. Perhaps Williams would be occasionally better against that particular situation, but those guys are superstars and kill everyone.

The far more common problem is when teams force switches with wings and guards. Every team in the league has smaller players that have moves to freeze big guys in space. Theis really gets low against smaller guys and does a great job. Williams gets toyed with. It isn't just quickness, its a balance/read/reaction skill.

Re Ibaka, why don't you tell that to Brad Stevens?  This after Game 4 loss vs. Raptors (from Forbes):

"Robert Williams was productive in the first half of the Celtics’ Game 4 loss to the Toronto Raptors. In 13 minutes, the second-year forward gave Boston six points, four rebounds, one assist and one steal on 3-of-4 shooting. He served as a helpful burst of energy off the bench, but then Williams barely touched the floor in the second half.

When asked Sunday about the decision to play Williams in just two of the game’s final 24 minutes, Brad Stevens highlighted Boston’s trouble defending Serge Ibaka in the pick-and-roll.

“The Ibaka pick-and-rolls were obviously giving us fits, so we went to a smaller, switching lineup there during his normal stint,” Stevens said.

Ibaka went 7-of-9 (4-of-4 3PT) in 22 minutes en route to an 18-point outing, but Williams wasn’t necessarily the root cause of that success. Three of Ibaka’s four 3’s came with Daniel Theis on the floor. The fourth make was on Williams, however, after he stayed with the ball-handler (Kyle Lowry) for too long, creating a wide gap between himself and Ibaka, who took full advantage."

Re: Robert Williams III Offensive Abilities
« Reply #20 on: November 17, 2020, 02:22:20 PM »

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Twitter freaking out over TL tweet suggesting he may be traded. Hope not the case:

https://nesn.com/2020/11/cryptic-robert-williams-tweet-has-celtics-fans-worried-about-trade/


Re: Robert Williams III Offensive Abilities
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Twitter freaking out over TL tweet suggesting he may be traded. Hope not the case:

https://nesn.com/2020/11/cryptic-robert-williams-tweet-has-celtics-fans-worried-about-trade/


What does that tweet even mean?

Re: Robert Williams III Offensive Abilities
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Twitter freaking out over TL tweet suggesting he may be traded. Hope not the case:

https://nesn.com/2020/11/cryptic-robert-williams-tweet-has-celtics-fans-worried-about-trade/

Help those of us who don't have access to twitter. There's a TP in it for anyone who posts what he actually said, or for anyone who posts what any tweet says on twitter when a link is posted.

Re: Robert Williams III Offensive Abilities
« Reply #23 on: November 17, 2020, 02:33:13 PM »

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Twitter freaking out over TL tweet suggesting he may be traded. Hope not the case:

https://nesn.com/2020/11/cryptic-robert-williams-tweet-has-celtics-fans-worried-about-trade/

Help those of us who don't have access to twitter. There's a TP in it for anyone who posts what he actually said, or for anyone who posts what any tweet says on twitter when a link is posted.

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Re: Robert Williams III Offensive Abilities
« Reply #24 on: November 17, 2020, 02:39:27 PM »

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Twitter freaking out over TL tweet suggesting he may be traded. Hope not the case:

https://nesn.com/2020/11/cryptic-robert-williams-tweet-has-celtics-fans-worried-about-trade/

Help those of us who don't have access to twitter. There's a TP in it for anyone who posts what he actually said, or for anyone who posts what any tweet says on twitter when a link is posted.

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Enigmatic indeed.

Re: Robert Williams III Offensive Abilities
« Reply #25 on: November 17, 2020, 02:43:24 PM »

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Pretty sure RW said it was just song lyrics. 

Re: Robert Williams III Offensive Abilities
« Reply #26 on: November 17, 2020, 02:45:13 PM »

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Pretty sure RW said it was just song lyrics.


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Re: Robert Williams III Offensive Abilities
« Reply #27 on: November 17, 2020, 02:50:35 PM »

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Pretty sure RW said it was just song lyrics.

It does seem to mean anything about a trade...

Re: Robert Williams III Offensive Abilities
« Reply #28 on: November 17, 2020, 03:15:46 PM »

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  Does anyone else find the “with or without shoes” thing to be really annoying? All anyone cares about is height relative to the league. So annoying .

Well, the league standardized now on 'without shoes' now so that should be clearer so long as you stick to the 'official' listed heights.

The only issue is you still see people referring to the old heights in older articles & web sites, which may or may not be 'with shoes' and often don't make that clear.

Personally, I think people get far too hung up with 'top of the head' height.  You don't play basketball with the top of your head.

A 6' 8" player with a 7' 5" wingspan plays a lot taller than a 6' 8" player with a 6' 11" wingspan.

And differences in weight and strength make a huge difference as well.

TP...mmmm

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PPG - 20.8 -  APG - 4.8 - RPG - 6.3

The player is a 13 time all star because he plays his butt off "all the time." If you outrun the opponent and you out jump the opponent for the entire game ...you don't need height and weight and wingspan. The guy who has all that stuff is sitting on the bench watching you cut down nets and pick up trophies.

Re: Robert Williams III Offensive Abilities
« Reply #29 on: November 30, 2020, 05:49:47 PM »

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Just a reminder of how good Robert Williams was when given minutes in the bubble:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ju9aPUMxNQ

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