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Re: TRADE IDEAS
« Reply #30 on: September 30, 2020, 10:53:13 AM »

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Hayward our three firsts this year Langford and Edward to Indy.

Oladipo and Turner to Boston.

I've seen versions of that suggested. As a Celtics fan, I love it. Not so sure about the Pacers fans...

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Re: TRADE IDEAS
« Reply #31 on: September 30, 2020, 11:09:15 AM »

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Hayward our three firsts this year Langford and Edward to Indy.

Oladipo and Turner to Boston.

I've seen versions of that suggested. As a Celtics fan, I love it. Not so sure about the Pacers fans...

Mike

If I were an Indiana fan I'd love that.  They have no firsts, then end up with a late lottery pick and two other firsts plus two Indiana gems.

I could only stomach this one if Oladipo was at full, pre-injury strength. Even then I'd want to keep pick 26 at least.  Pick 14 may be a really good player. 

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« Reply #32 on: September 30, 2020, 11:14:43 AM »

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Hayward our three firsts this year Langford and Edward to Indy.

Oladipo and Turner to Boston.

I've seen versions of that suggested. As a Celtics fan, I love it. Not so sure about the Pacers fans...

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If I were an Indiana fan I'd love that.  They have no firsts, then end up with a late lottery pick and two other firsts plus two Indiana gems.

I could only stomach this one if Oladipo was at full, pre-injury strength. Even then I'd want to keep pick 26 at least.  Pick 14 may be a really good player.


As a team fit, that'd be awesome. But next off-season, the Cs would not be able to resign both Tatum and Oladipo without running against the hard cap. This would mean the Cs would need to move on from one of Brown, Smart, Turner, or Walker without taking much (any?) salary back. They would still probably be into the luxury tax even after a trade like this though.

The truth is that we can't trade Hayward's expiring for big long-term contract obligations unless we plan to trade one of those guys.

Re: TRADE IDEAS
« Reply #33 on: September 30, 2020, 11:19:00 AM »

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Given what we've actually seen from oladipo since his return form injury I really don't think he's a good option. he seems like a guy who would come back next year, be inneficcient taking shots from guys you'd rather see take them. Then he either has to be resigned for too much or we let him walk. HARD PASS.

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« Reply #34 on: September 30, 2020, 11:41:58 AM »

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I was 1 of the 1st people to suggest a turner to Celtics trade last offseason and everyone flamed me for it is the funny thing. But there is no reason to want Turner or Olindipo as they donít resolve any of our problems enough.

Im 100% positive anyone wanting Turner hasnít watched him play. Heís really just not ďitĒ.

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« Reply #35 on: September 30, 2020, 01:51:43 PM »

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I was 1 of the 1st people to suggest a turner to Celtics trade last offseason and everyone flamed me for it is the funny thing. But there is no reason to want Turner or Olindipo as they donít resolve any of our problems enough.

Im 100% positive anyone wanting Turner hasnít watched him play. Heís really just not ďitĒ.
I agree.

Itís possible turners issues come from being a bad fit or maybe McMillan was a bad coach for him, but he hasnít improved in like 3 years. Heís a poor rebounder and a bad post defender.

Heís not a horrible player by any means, but heís not as good as a guy with his shot blocking ability, size and stroke should be.
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Re: TRADE IDEAS
« Reply #36 on: September 30, 2020, 02:49:52 PM »

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I was 1 of the 1st people to suggest a turner to Celtics trade last offseason and everyone flamed me for it is the funny thing. But there is no reason to want Turner or Olindipo as they donít resolve any of our problems enough.

Im 100% positive anyone wanting Turner hasnít watched him play. Heís really just not ďitĒ.
I agree.

Itís possible turners issues come from being a bad fit or maybe McMillan was a bad coach for him, but he hasnít improved in like 3 years. Heís a poor rebounder and a bad post defender.

Heís not a horrible player by any means, but heís not as good as a guy with his shot blocking ability, size and stroke should be.

I lost interest in him during the FIBA tournament.  He just doesn't seem to have good BBIQ, and he has no inside game to speak of.  We got a glimpse of how he would fit in with the Celtics, since he played with Tatum, Brown, Kemba and Walker on that team.  Not impressed. I think that Olidipo is by far the more intiguing player.

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« Reply #37 on: September 30, 2020, 05:18:50 PM »

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I was 1 of the 1st people to suggest a turner to Celtics trade last offseason and everyone flamed me for it is the funny thing. But there is no reason to want Turner or Olindipo as they donít resolve any of our problems enough.

Im 100% positive anyone wanting Turner hasnít watched him play. Heís really just not ďitĒ.
I agree.

Itís possible turners issues come from being a bad fit or maybe McMillan was a bad coach for him, but he hasnít improved in like 3 years. Heís a poor rebounder and a bad post defender.

Heís not a horrible player by any means, but heís not as good as a guy with his shot blocking ability, size and stroke should be.

I lost interest in him during the FIBA tournament.  He just doesn't seem to have good BBIQ, and he has no inside game to speak of.  We got a glimpse of how he would fit in with the Celtics, since he played with Tatum, Brown, Kemba and Walker on that team.  Not impressed. I think that Olidipo is by far the more intiguing player.

Yup that was it! The USA game told me a ton! It also showed me that the core Celtics players wouldnít be enough anyway. USA was getting whooped and had 5 Celtics in it.

Re: TRADE IDEAS
« Reply #38 on: September 30, 2020, 06:42:45 PM »

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I was 1 of the 1st people to suggest a turner to Celtics trade last offseason and everyone flamed me for it is the funny thing. But there is no reason to want Turner or Olindipo as they donít resolve any of our problems enough.

Im 100% positive anyone wanting Turner hasnít watched him play. Heís really just not ďitĒ.
I agree.

Itís possible turners issues come from being a bad fit or maybe McMillan was a bad coach for him, but he hasnít improved in like 3 years. Heís a poor rebounder and a bad post defender.

Heís not a horrible player by any means, but heís not as good as a guy with his shot blocking ability, size and stroke should be.

I lost interest in him during the FIBA tournament.  He just doesn't seem to have good BBIQ, and he has no inside game to speak of.  We got a glimpse of how he would fit in with the Celtics, since he played with Tatum, Brown, Kemba and Walker on that team.  Not impressed. I think that Olidipo is by far the more intiguing player.

Yup that was it! The USA game told me a ton! It also showed me that the core Celtics players wouldnít be enough anyway. USA was getting whooped and had 5 Celtics in it.
Using Olympics basketball as a way to predict what's gonna happen in the NBA seems pretty foolish to me. It's a completely different thing in my mind.
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Re: TRADE IDEAS
« Reply #39 on: September 30, 2020, 07:23:04 PM »

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More realistic, but not necessarily ones I'd do:

https://tradenba.com/trades/WAT9mRvSQ

Boston sends: Hayward, Kanter, #26

Orlando sends: Vucevic + Ross

This is an interesting one. I have little interest in Ross but I presume he is necessary as a cap makeweight. So Hayward for Vucevic. Gives Boston one of the top offensive centers in the league. Low post arsenal + midrange scoring + perimeter scoring + high post passing + interior passing. One of the most versatile and skillful centers in the league today.

Vucevic would certainly help Boston to stop being so reliant on perimeter play for offense. Give them some more balance to their offensive attack. And also re-create the high post big man passing that Boston has lost with the departure of Al Horford.

I don't know. I love Hayward. Then again, Hayward's health is an ongoing issue. They are fairly similar talent wise. Both just a tad outside All-Star level. I love that Hayward gives us 3 offensively talented forwards that nobody can hide a bad defender on. I hate to give that up.

G: Kemba
G: Smart
F: Jaylen
F: Tatum
C: Vucevic

Very tempting. A different sort of team. Smart gets to play more minutes as a starter than a 6th man which is great because he's awesome. Lose that forward matchup nightmare. Hard to decide.
Yeah, I don't even know if I'd do this deal. I'm a huge Hayward fan, but I'm also a huge Vucevic fan! I think Vuce would really amp up our interior offence with his ability to pass and score in the post, but I really cherish what Hayward can do for us. Terrence Ross was really a throw in cap-wise to accommodate Hayward's big contract, but it could be filled with other pieces I'm sure. This is the one I'm least sure about. I would love to see a big-man who genuinely needs to be defended inside and outside on this team alongside Tatum and Brown.

Boston sends: Kemba Walker

Dallas sends: Seth Curry, Tim Hardaway Jr., Justin Jackson, #18

I don't understand the reasoning to this one. Do we think Tim Hardaway Jr and Seth Curry can provide this team more than Kemba Walker?

I rate Seth Curry as a medium level bench piece and I do not rate Tim Hardaway Jr as much more than that either. Hardaway has shown himself to be quite destructive to team's offenses with his black-hole mentality when not coupled with a ball-dominant (helio-centric) type facilitator (to control his negative decision making and limit his downsides - and limit him to a smaller role offensively in which he can succeed) which Boston does not have.

What is the possible upside to this deal?
If I'm fully honest, this was just an invention of my complete overreaction to our lack of bench shooting in the playoffs. I think I'm higher on Hardaway now that he shoots more 3s than 2s, but I agree - upon reflection, it really is a bad proposal ;D

Less realistic:

https://tradenba.com/trades/_Uk1QqChj

Boston sends: Kemba, Langford, Rob Williams, Carsen Edwards, #30

Pelicans send: Holiday, Redick

I love this idea! Jrue Holiday would be a fantastic target for this team. You lose some offensively but you gain defensive versatility. The idea of Jrue and Smart in the same backcourt - oh baby!

I love the idea of a Kemba for Jrue based trade.

I do not see that as unrealistic. Kemba I would expect would be generally considered the superior player. The addition of Redick to the deal for youth is perhaps unrealisitic -- but I'd be interested in this deal without Redick and the youth. A Kemba for Jrue swap.


Thanks for all the ideas!
All were fun to think about.
This is the one I'd be most keen for too. Jrue is obviously the lesser shot maker and creator, but I don't think we need that on our team. Having the best defensive back-court in the NBA with Holiday-Smart would be super awesome. Could move Hayward to the 6th man spot too if need be. I'm unsure if the Pels are too keen on keeping Redick because of how he fits age-wise with their core of Zion, Ingram and Ball, but who knows. They might think they're close to contention

Re: TRADE IDEAS
« Reply #40 on: October 06, 2020, 03:39:38 PM »

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Phi: Jaylen Brown & Marcus Smart

Iím not sure Philly would trade a big for two guards. And Iím not sure what the plan is in Philly, now that Doc has come along. I just know what they had last season did not work. Also Al Horfordís contract may be untradeable, so they may be stuck with him now.

I like Brown and Smart, but something has to change in Boston too. Danny canít make the change needed, without having to give up some of his prized assets. I assume draft picks may also be included, but the players above are the principles in the trade.

Phil: Smart, Brown, Harris, Simmons, Horford
Bos: Walker, Hayward, Tatum, Embiid (Langford or Williams filling out the last starting positon)

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« Reply #41 on: October 06, 2020, 04:44:50 PM »

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Phi: Jaylen Brown & Marcus Smart

Iím not sure Philly would trade a big for two guards. And Iím not sure what the plan is in Philly, now that Doc has come along. I just know what they had last season did not work. Also Al Horfordís contract may be untradeable, so they may be stuck with him now.

I like Brown and Smart, but something has to change in Boston too. Danny canít make the change needed, without having to give up some of his prized assets. I assume draft picks may also be included, but the players above are the principles in the trade.

Phil: Smart, Brown, Harris, Simmons, Horford
Bos: Walker, Hayward, Tatum, Embiid (Langford or Williams filling out the last starting positon)

I wouldn't trade two starters that are in top shape for an out of shape center.

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« Reply #42 on: October 06, 2020, 07:17:07 PM »

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Bos: Joel Embiid
Phi: Jaylen Brown & Marcus Smart

Iím not sure Philly would trade a big for two guards. And Iím not sure what the plan is in Philly, now that Doc has come along. I just know what they had last season did not work. Also Al Horfordís contract may be untradeable, so they may be stuck with him now.

I like Brown and Smart, but something has to change in Boston too. Danny canít make the change needed, without having to give up some of his prized assets. I assume draft picks may also be included, but the players above are the principles in the trade.

Phil: Smart, Brown, Harris, Simmons, Horford
Bos: Walker, Hayward, Tatum, Embiid (Langford or Williams filling out the last starting positon)
I would not do this. Philly would give us some serious trouble if they had this team. 3 elite defenders to cover for Harris is the last thing we should give them

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« Reply #43 on: October 06, 2020, 09:22:14 PM »

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Hayward our three firsts this year Langford and Edward to Indy.

Oladipo and Turner to Boston.

I've seen versions of that suggested. As a Celtics fan, I love it. Not so sure about the Pacers fans...

Mike
Honestly curious: why are so many people so high on Oladipo? Heís had one great year and been dealing with some serious injuries the last two seasons. If they do trade Hayward to Indy, Iíd rather they try and pry Brogdon somehow tbh.

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« Reply #44 on: October 06, 2020, 09:54:03 PM »

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Hayward our three firsts this year Langford and Edward to Indy.

Oladipo and Turner to Boston.

I've seen versions of that suggested. As a Celtics fan, I love it. Not so sure about the Pacers fans...

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Honestly curious: why are so many people so high on Oladipo? Heís had one great year and been dealing with some serious injuries the last two seasons. If they do trade Hayward to Indy, Iíd rather they try and pry Brogdon somehow tbh.
Yeah, I don't get the love for Dipo. He hasn't shown that he'll return to that All-Star form