14 for 40

[Eric_Suede]

I’m going to keep screaming this until the cows come home. THE CELTICS ARE NOT A 3 PT SHOOTING TEAM. We do not have one bonafide “3pt assassin” on our roster. No Steph Curry, No Klay, No Herro, Duncan, Reddick, Korver etc. Jeez what’s it going to take for these guys to realize that. This is like a power punching Knockout artist opting to dance on his toes and try to outbox folk. NO! You’re Mike Tyson get in there and go for the Ko!! C’s need to attack , attack attack the rim Period. It’s really that simple. Reduce our 3 pt attempts to about 20 per game and watch the blowouts start to take place.

We actually do have guys like Kanter and Williams who can play the “Perkins” role and bang down low. Despite all these missed 3’s we still find ourselves in the game. Probably would’ve won game 1 had Tatum not tried to be a hero and shoot the unnecessary 3. Just tired of watching C’s throw this series away. You got to beat Miami up. That’s how you take them out. Let them shoot 3’s (I know they shot 10-37 themselves). I’ve been saying this for last 3 years but the C’s will never win a title if they keep being in denial and not accepting who they are. They are a grimey and gritty team. Once they embrace that and stop trying to go for the glamour of being a healthy Warrior squad then we’ll continue to be disappointed suffering from 2nd and 3rd rd exits.

[KrazyLegs]

I mean, Tatum shot 40.4% from three this year which was just outside the top 20 in the NBA for 3-point %. That's pretty elite.

And Hayward, Kemba and Jaylen Brown all shot 38%, which is definitely above average. In the 50-60 range.

So they do have shooters. But I do agree that they can't settle for threes when they're not falling. The team must be aggressive and drive to the rim to succeed.

[cons]

tp dude

i agree w the idea

but i think this ship has sailed.
its just how they play now. jack as many 3's as possible

live by the 3 die by the 3

its too bad because yeah, i think there's a lot more to basketball than that and i wish we could do something more to get the win.

[Roy H.]

14 for 40 isn't that bad.  35%, which is the same as shooting 52.5% from 2PT.

I can live with the shots.  It's just the way the NBA has gone.  The Celts aren't great at it, but they're also not shooting 3PTAs at the rate of some teams.  We ranked 12th in makes, 13th in attempts, and 13th in 3PT%.  So, slightly above average.

The much larger issue in the series has been turnovers.  It was a strength of ours in the regular season -- 8th fewest in the NBA -- but we've struggled against the Heat.

[Eric_Suede]

I mean, Tatum shot 40.4% from three this year which was just outside the top 20 in the NBA for 3-point %. That's pretty elite.

And Hayward, Kemba and Jaylen Brown all shot 38%, which is definitely above average. In the 50-60 range.

So they do have shooters. But I do agree that they can't settle for threes when they're not falling. The team must be aggressive and drive to the rim to succeed.

Game 3 they shot only 26 3’s. What was the result? I’m not suggesting Never shooting the 3 but I think that’s the problem.Brown and company (guys like Smart) actually think they’re shooters. They are Not! They are most effective drive and finishing at the rim. Tatum and Hayward have nice midrange J’s but... 25 or less 3 pt attempts per game and watch how it will affect the outcome. For christ sake we got a 7’5 311lb guy on the roster. You can’t tell me we don’t have the personnel to beat miami up down low. Yes they have Jimmy Butler and Bam good scrappy guys but we have more of those players.

Not suggesting Fall get alot of minutes just making the point we got Big bodies to throw at them. How often do you see Theis get dunks and alley oops? Ahh well. I’m simply saying FOR THIS series, we need to bang down low. Obviously that style probably wouldn’t work against the Lakers next round if miraculously they won 3 in a row, but against Miami?   Attack, Attack , Attack. Come on you saw the difference in game 3.

[Eric_Suede]

14 for 40 isn't that bad.  35%, which is the same as shooting 52.5% from 2PT.

I can live with the shots.  It's just the way the NBA has gone.  The Celts aren't great at it, but they're also not shooting 3PTAs at the rate of some teams.  We ranked 12th in makes, 13th in attempts, and 13th in 3PT%.  So, slightly above average.

The much larger issue in the series has been turnovers.  It was a strength of ours in the regular season -- 8th fewest in the NBA -- but we've struggled against the Heat.

I know the game has changed. Not suggesting we completely abandon the 3. Good OPEN 3 pt. Shots... ok I can live with those (I guess) but focus should be attacking the Rim. Every time they do that you see them build big leads. Of course Turnovers have been killing us as well but I think main problem is 3pt shooting. Maybe it’s just me.. I swear almost every time I watch the Celtics play and they chuck up a 3 90% of the time i’m screaming Nooooooooo!

Again maybe it’s me. I think if Celtics embrace a “grimey” identity and stop trying to be the Warriors they’d be better off

[footey]

14 for 40 isn't that bad.  35%, which is the same as shooting 52.5% from 2PT.

I can live with the shots.  It's just the way the NBA has gone.  The Celts aren't great at it, but they're also not shooting 3PTAs at the rate of some teams.  We ranked 12th in makes, 13th in attempts, and 13th in 3PT%.  So, slightly above average.

The much larger issue in the series has been turnovers.  It was a strength of ours in the regular season -- 8th fewest in the NBA -- but we've struggled against the Heat.

Agree, Roy, but to what extent is it Heat defense vs our sloppiness? 

[GreenFaith1819]

Well, we'd better become a Three-Point shooting team.

If our Boston Celtics SOMEHOW come back and get out of the East we are NOT going to be able to drive with much success against AD, Dwight, Javale AND LeBron....

That is TALL TIMBER.

We got by Embiid, managed against Gasol, Pascale and Serge but LAL is a different animal.

And Bam is pretty much having his way, currently.

[Redz]

14 for 40 isn't that bad.  35%, which is the same as shooting 52.5% from 2PT.

I can live with the shots.  It's just the way the NBA has gone.  The Celts aren't great at it, but they're also not shooting 3PTAs at the rate of some teams.  We ranked 12th in makes, 13th in attempts, and 13th in 3PT%.  So, slightly above average.

The much larger issue in the series has been turnovers.  It was a strength of ours in the regular season -- 8th fewest in the NBA -- but we've struggled against the Heat.

Agree, Roy, but to what extent is it Heat defense vs our sloppiness?

Some, but last night especially, not all.  There were a fair amount of unforced turnovers and bad fouls of the bonehead variety last night.

[rocknrollforyoursoul]

14 for 40 isn't that bad.  35%, which is the same as shooting 52.5% from 2PT.

I can live with the shots.  It's just the way the NBA has gone.  The Celts aren't great at it, but they're also not shooting 3PTAs at the rate of some teams.  We ranked 12th in makes, 13th in attempts, and 13th in 3PT%.  So, slightly above average.

The much larger issue in the series has been turnovers.  It was a strength of ours in the regular season -- 8th fewest in the NBA -- but we've struggled against the Heat.

Slightly above average doesn't make it worthwhile, to me. And despite Tatum doing pretty well on 3s during the season, I still consider him an assassin. This team needs a Redick/Korver/Mike Miller type.

[PhoSita]

Eh I think Tatum is as close as you're gonna get to a 3 point assassin, especially with high volume.  His step back three is a deadly weapon.

Kemba is also a very good three point shooter at this stage of his career, though a lot depends on how well he's able to get open.


The Celts would definitely be better off if they had a deadly shooter at the 2 or 3 coming off the bench like what the Heat have with Herro / Robinson. 



I do agree that the Celts' offensive order of priorities should be driving first and then shooting second.  At times that gets flipped, or they stop driving altogether.  That's the major problem I see with the offense.

[ozgod]

I mean, Tatum shot 40.4% from three this year which was just outside the top 20 in the NBA for 3-point %. That's pretty elite.

And Hayward, Kemba and Jaylen Brown all shot 38%, which is definitely above average. In the 50-60 range.

So they do have shooters. But I do agree that they can't settle for threes when they're not falling. The team must be aggressive and drive to the rim to succeed.

They did start Game 4 driving to the rim, and yes they need to keep doing that. The problem was that Spoelstra decided the Cs weren't going to beat them by scoring 60 points in the paint again, so his zone collapsed in to create a wall as soon as Jaylen or Smart drove to the basket. Instead of driving and kicking the team kept trying to find a way against or over the wall. Jaylen's not the greatest at driving and kicking yet, on one occasion he drove and kicked the ball out to nobody and it was a turnover. When they're collapsing like that the shooters on the corners need to be ready to receive a kickout and make them pay to open the middle for driving lanes. Or the driver needs to seek physical contact and try to get a foul. They didn't do that.

But I agree they weren't aggressive...to me aggression doesn't mean just driving the ball, it means being decisive in what you do. They just weren't crisp and didn't look like they were playing with force. You have to play with desperation, try and win all the effort plays. There were a number of plays in the first half where there was a loose ball and Tatum didn't try to dive at it, he just tried swiping...after one such play that resulted in a Miami recovery and score Brad called timeout. He rarely calls timeouts to break the flow of a game as we all know and complain about but he WILL call one if he sees a fail in an effort play like that. We just had too many of those in Game 4.

[gouki88]

14 for 40 isn't that bad.  35%, which is the same as shooting 52.5% from 2PT.

I can live with the shots.  It's just the way the NBA has gone.  The Celts aren't great at it, but they're also not shooting 3PTAs at the rate of some teams.  We ranked 12th in makes, 13th in attempts, and 13th in 3PT%.  So, slightly above average.

The much larger issue in the series has been turnovers.  It was a strength of ours in the regular season -- 8th fewest in the NBA -- but we've struggled against the Heat.

I know the game has changed. Not suggesting we completely abandon the 3. Good OPEN 3 pt. Shots... ok I can live with those (I guess) but focus should be attacking the Rim. Every time they do that you see them build big leads. Of course Turnovers have been killing us as well but I think main problem is 3pt shooting. Maybe it’s just me.. I swear almost every time I watch the Celtics play and they chuck up a 3 90% of the time i’m screaming Nooooooooo!

Again maybe it’s me. I think if Celtics embrace a “grimey” identity and stop trying to be the Warriors they’d be better off

The Heat were packing the paint in order to force us into shooting the 3, because in Game 3 we dominated them inside.

[RPGenerate]

Eh I think our shot selection was fine, for the most part. The only person who was taking putrid 3 pointers was Smart, but that's nothing new. I'm more concerned with Tatum, Brown, and Smart combining for a whopping 14 turnovers. Completely unacceptable, and it was the difference.

[ozgod]

Eh I think our shot selection was fine, for the most part. The only person who was taking putrid 3 pointers was Smart, but that's nothing new. I'm more concerned with Tatum, Brown, and Smart combining for a whopping 14 turnovers. Completely unacceptable, and it was the difference.

Add Gordon's 4 and that's 18 turnovers from 4 players.