Missed call? (Adebayo's block...)

[Sophomore]

It was a great attempt by tatum, but an incredible defensive play by bam. To go up like he did and get all ball, even as a die hard Celtics fan, I wouldnt have wanted to see that called a foul.

The real discussion should be that their max guy is delivering, in multiple phases of the game, and made some HUGE plays at the end. Meanwhile, our max guy is missing wide open looks all night, turning the ball over, and is constantly the target of their offensive attack. Sure he made a few down the stretch, but, with the sheer volume of attempts he was bound to... walker is making $32 million +, and has been awful in these last few big games for us. He has to pick it up, no excuses.

I think Kemba's knee might be acting up again. He looks a lot slower laterally to me in the last few games, compared to his earlier ones.

I agree - was saying the same thing watching the game. He got isolated on Dragic and Herro and couldn’t get by them, really labored to get separation; on the other side, Butler and Dragic went by him easily. I don’t think it was lack of effort; I can’t tell whether he’s off for sure but it sure looked like it.

[Ogaju]

Two observations about the block.

1. Tatum showed too much ball and too early.. I dont think he expected Bam to cover that space at all.

2. Not sure he Tatum would have made that dunk ... Bam may have saved him another form of embarassment.

[TheReaLPuba]

From what I’ve seen on other forums apparently if the ball has not left the offensive players hand it isn’t goaltending.

The ball never leaving the shooters hand shouldn’t have anything to do with it.

The ball was over the rim and you’re not suppose to touch it.

Even if it was a super bad pass on a lob and had no shot at going in no defender is suppose to be allowed to touch the ball if it’s over the rim.

[gouki88]

From what I’ve seen on other forums apparently if the ball has not left the offensive players hand it isn’t goaltending.

The ball never leaving the shooters hand shouldn’t have anything to do with it.

The ball was over the rim and you’re not suppose to touch it.

Even if it was a super bad pass on a lob and had no shot at going in no defender is suppose to be allowed to touch the ball if it’s over the rim.

The ball is never a live ball though, the offensive player has possession of the ball throughout the entire process of a dunk. I feel like because of this, it will never be called.

While according to the rule book (from my interpretation) it is a goaltend, it will never be called one because of the spectacle. It's the same with players dunking it getting away with blatant offensive fouls - think of all the time Blake Griffin held a defender down while he dunked on them. Same principle.


Entertainment is more important than the rules

[gift]

Not sure about the letter of the law, but that was about as good of a block as you can get. An inch one way or the other and it's a dunk and/or a foul.

[Stig]

yup, a heck of a block, Tatum made a good move but meet a better defence. This is the 3rd miracle against this team in the last 5 games, I think we are well due a miracle ourselves.

[td450]

My take on this was that Tatum had a super clear view of Adebayo. He did make a spectacular block, but he was obviously in position to challenge the shot.  Tatum was immature to try a long jump one handed dunk, which always is vulnerable. He just needed two points, not some legendary dunk. There was a relatively easy read to be made and he didn't make it.

[Donoghus]

I have no problem with what Tatum did on that play (unlike some other possessions late in that game). 

Bam just made a ridiculously, insane, helluva play.  It happens.  Unfortunately, the C's were on the short end of it.

[KGs Knee]

From what I’ve seen on other forums apparently if the ball has not left the offensive players hand it isn’t goaltending.

The ball never leaving the shooters hand shouldn’t have anything to do with it.

The ball was over the rim and you’re not suppose to touch it.

Even if it was a super bad pass on a lob and had no shot at going in no defender is suppose to be allowed to touch the ball if it’s over the rim.

Well, by this logic all dunk attempts should be offensive goaltending.  The rules don't exactly differentiate between offensive and defensive players.

[td450]

I have no problem with what Tatum did on that play (unlike some other possessions late in that game). 

Bam just made a ridiculously, insane, helluva play.  It happens.  Unfortunately, the C's were on the short end of it.

Go back and watch the play. It was a great play because he managed to block the ball so cleanly, but he was there, and Tatum had time to see him and get it on the backboard. He was absolutely going to challenge that shot, and a one handed dunk was a stupid move. For great players, it is always about reading the rotation guy, and this time that wasn't very difficult.

[Donoghus]

I have no problem with what Tatum did on that play (unlike some other possessions late in that game). 

Bam just made a ridiculously, insane, helluva play.  It happens.  Unfortunately, the C's were on the short end of it.

Go back and watch the play. It was a great play because he managed to block the ball so cleanly, but he was there, and Tatum had time to see him and get it on the backboard. He was absolutely going to challenge that shot, and a one handed dunk was a stupid move. For great players, it is always about reading the rotation guy, and this time that wasn't very difficult.

I've watched it several times.  He was already elevating when Bam really came in his line of sight (Tatum's head is down right as he's gathering the ball to start jumping).  Jayson was already preparing to attempt it as a dunk.  It was so bang-bang that I have a hard time faulting Tatum for not switching his hold on the ball from slam to a layup attempt while in mid elevation.  It was a helluva play by Bam. 

Obviously, in retrospect, a layup would've been the way to go.

[Somebody]

I have no problem with what Tatum did on that play (unlike some other possessions late in that game). 

Bam just made a ridiculously, insane, helluva play.  It happens.  Unfortunately, the C's were on the short end of it.

Go back and watch the play. It was a great play because he managed to block the ball so cleanly, but he was there, and Tatum had time to see him and get it on the backboard. He was absolutely going to challenge that shot, and a one handed dunk was a stupid move. For great players, it is always about reading the rotation guy, and this time that wasn't very difficult.

I've watched it several times.  He was already elevating when Bam really came in his line of sight (Tatum's head is down right as he's gathering the ball to start jumping).  Jayson was already preparing to attempt it as a dunk.  It was so bang-bang that I have a hard time faulting Tatum for not switching his hold on the ball from slam to a layup attempt while in mid elevation.  It was a helluva play by Bam. 

Obviously, in retrospect, a layup would've been the way to go.

^this, it's pretty unreasonable to blame Tatum for attempting a dunk. He could've done better on other stuff though.

[Dchuck]

Let’s put aside the superstar deserving an iso play at the end of the game, bad knees, bad ankles, bad ref calls, bad challenges.

The fact is we had a great opportunity to win the game with the last shot and there was no designed play, player movement, forcing the defense to move and work.  I don’t care if it was Michael Jordan or legendary Larry. A 25 foot hand in the face three point shot attempt when all you needed was one point to win is bad, very bad. 

Imho, all this superstar status talk got to Tatum in the fourth quarter. Think about it. He was miked up for the game a few minutes earlier he attempted what looked to be a 27 foot three point attempts that was completely unnecessary.

It’s a player’s league but this is a time in the game that is critical the coach steps in.

[td450]

I have no problem with what Tatum did on that play (unlike some other possessions late in that game). 

Bam just made a ridiculously, insane, helluva play.  It happens.  Unfortunately, the C's were on the short end of it.

Go back and watch the play. It was a great play because he managed to block the ball so cleanly, but he was there, and Tatum had time to see him and get it on the backboard. He was absolutely going to challenge that shot, and a one handed dunk was a stupid move. For great players, it is always about reading the rotation guy, and this time that wasn't very difficult.

I've watched it several times.  He was already elevating when Bam really came in his line of sight (Tatum's head is down right as he's gathering the ball to start jumping).  Jayson was already preparing to attempt it as a dunk.  It was so bang-bang that I have a hard time faulting Tatum for not switching his hold on the ball from slam to a layup attempt while in mid elevation.  It was a helluva play by Bam. 

Obviously, in retrospect, a layup would've been the way to go.

That's just not true. Bam was there clear as a bell, before and during the drive. No bodies in the way. He wasn't even covering anyone.

[footey]

Let’s put aside the superstar deserving an iso play at the end of the game, bad knees, bad ankles, bad ref calls, bad challenges.

The fact is we had a great opportunity to win the game with the last shot and there was no designed play, player movement, forcing the defense to move and work.  I don’t care if it was Michael Jordan or legendary Larry. A 25 foot hand in the face three point shot attempt when all you needed was one point to win is bad, very bad. 

Imho, all this superstar status talk got to Tatum in the fourth quarter. Think about it. He was miked up for the game a few minutes earlier he attempted what looked to be a 27 foot three point attempts that was completely unnecessary.

It’s a player’s league but this is a time in the game that is critical the coach steps in.

TP