What Sucks Worst for Sixers Fans? (Poll)

[SparzWizard]

Really, it all went wrong in 2018 when they had a stronger campaign than they anticipated. Getting the third seed and winning a playoff series convinced them that they needed to become a contender ASAP when really they had all the time in the world. They jumped the gun when they cashed in their assets and tied their cap around Harris and Horford. Now they're locked into this dysfunctional group for the foreseeable future.

They had a team and lost 4-1 to the Celtics in 2018, traded everyone and spent $300M to lose 4-0 to the Celtics in 2020.

[gouki88]

Really, it all went wrong in 2018 when they had a stronger campaign than they anticipated. Getting the third seed and winning a playoff series convinced them that they needed to become a contender ASAP when really they had all the time in the world. They jumped the gun when they cashed in their assets and tied their cap around Harris and Horford. Now they're locked into this dysfunctional group for the foreseeable future.

They had a team and lost 4-1 to the Celtics in 2018, traded everyone and spent $300M to lose 4-0 to the Celtics in 2020.

Glorious. We're paying Smart about 33% on average that Philly are paying Tobias.

[bdm860]

Really, it all went wrong in 2018 when they had a stronger campaign than they anticipated. Getting the third seed and winning a playoff series convinced them that they needed to become a contender ASAP when really they had all the time in the world. They jumped the gun when they cashed in their assets and tied their cap around Harris and Horford. Now they're locked into this dysfunctional group for the foreseeable future.

They had a team and lost 4-1 to the Celtics in 2018, traded everyone and spent $300M to lose 4-0 to the Celtics in 2020.

No, no, no.

They had a team that lost 4-3 to the Celtics in 2012, decided that was too mediocre, and spent 4 years losing on purpose to rebuild a team to lose 4-0 to the Celtics in 2020.   



(I know that's not exactly what happened, there was a failed Bynum trade in there that helped them decide to take the path of the process, but I'm enjoying laughing at them too much now to worry about the details).

[Valid]

What sucks the most is that the miscalculations have all added up.

Philly overestimated the fit between Embiid and Simmons. Maybe this duo could have worked 15 years ago but not in the modern NBA
Philly underestimated how much JJ Redick's shooting benefited them because it negated Embiid/Simmons' clunky fit together
Philly underestimated the edge that Jimmy Butler's go-to scoring in the clutch gave them. With him off the team, they lacked a go-to scorer
Philly overestimated Al's abilities, thinking his presence could help them and hurt Boston, neither of which happened
Philly overestimated Tobias Harris' scoring prowess because he can only thrive as a scorer if he has more scorers who can space the floor
And as always, there will always be the infamous Fultz for Tatum trade. No elaboration needed.

The only addition that really worked out for them was Josh Richardson. He was their second-best player in this series. If Josh Richardson is your second-best player, then pretty much everything has blown up in your face.

Really, it all went wrong in 2018 when they had a stronger campaign than they anticipated. Getting the third seed and winning a playoff series convinced them that they needed to become a contender ASAP when really they had all the time in the world. They jumped the gun when they cashed in their assets and tied their cap around Harris and Horford. Now they're locked into this dysfunctional group for the foreseeable future.

To be fair, Butler wanted no part of staying in Philly long term, so that decision was more his than theirs.

As for Horford, I don't think they overestimated his abilities. They just completely overlooked the fact that he would be a terrible fit with Embiid. Put Horford on this Celtics team, and he would still be a key contributor. Yes, he is older, but I don't think he suddenly fell off THAT much in a year. He is just the worst fit you can imagine in Philadelphia.

The 2018 76ers were loaded with shooters around Embiid and Simmons: Redick, Belinelli, Ilyasova, Saric, Covington. They then let Belinelli and Ilyasova walk that ensuing offseason and traded Saric and Covington in the Butler deal that next November (let's also not forget that they also traded Shamet in the Harris deal). That was the beginning of the end for them. They went from having marksmen all over the floor to just having Redick, who they didn't even re-sign last summer.

The only thing their front office has gotten right over the last decade is knowing that higher draft picks equate to better talent. Otherwise, whether it has been Hinkie, Colangelo or Brand, they have botched things at every turn.

[apc]

Crazy how Celtics have so much to do with the Sixers failures.

[Redz]

Crazy how Celtics have so much to do with the Sixers failures.

Crazy AND delightful

[MJohnnyboy]

What sucks the most is that the miscalculations have all added up.

Philly overestimated the fit between Embiid and Simmons. Maybe this duo could have worked 15 years ago but not in the modern NBA
Philly underestimated how much JJ Redick's shooting benefited them because it negated Embiid/Simmons' clunky fit together
Philly underestimated the edge that Jimmy Butler's go-to scoring in the clutch gave them. With him off the team, they lacked a go-to scorer
Philly overestimated Al's abilities, thinking his presence could help them and hurt Boston, neither of which happened
Philly overestimated Tobias Harris' scoring prowess because he can only thrive as a scorer if he has more scorers who can space the floor
And as always, there will always be the infamous Fultz for Tatum trade. No elaboration needed.

The only addition that really worked out for them was Josh Richardson. He was their second-best player in this series. If Josh Richardson is your second-best player, then pretty much everything has blown up in your face.

Really, it all went wrong in 2018 when they had a stronger campaign than they anticipated. Getting the third seed and winning a playoff series convinced them that they needed to become a contender ASAP when really they had all the time in the world. They jumped the gun when they cashed in their assets and tied their cap around Harris and Horford. Now they're locked into this dysfunctional group for the foreseeable future.

To be fair, Butler wanted no part of staying in Philly long term, so that decision was more his than theirs.

As for Horford, I don't think they overestimated his abilities. They just completely overlooked the fact that he would be a terrible fit with Embiid. Put Horford on this Celtics team, and he would still be a key contributor. Yes, he is older, but I don't think he suddenly fell off THAT much in a year. He is just the worst fit you can imagine in Philadelphia.

The 2018 76ers were loaded with shooters around Embiid and Simmons: Redick, Belinelli, Ilyasova, Saric, Covington. They then let Belinelli and Ilyasova walk that ensuing offseason and traded Saric and Covington in the Butler deal that next November (let's also not forget that they also traded Shamet in the Harris deal). That was the beginning of the end for them. They went from having marksmen all over the floor to just having Redick, who they didn't even re-sign last summer.

The only thing their front office has gotten right over the last decade is knowing that higher draft picks equate to better talent. Otherwise, whether it has been Hinkie, Colangelo or Brand, they have botched things at every turn.

I didn't say Butler leaving was their fault. I'm saying they were under the belief that they could manage without him in crunchtime, which as we saw is not the case because Embiid has not proven to be a go-to scorer in crunch time in a playoff game.

What you're saying about Horford is more or less exactly what I said just with different wording. They thought Al's defensive versatility and floor spacing could help them whether he was playing the 4 or 5. That's overestimating what he can do, especially since, much like Tobias, his shooting abilities on the floor are dictated more by the amount of spacing around him, which Philly did not have, and he is not quick enough to play power forward anymore. The Celtics system was perfect for him. I absolutely believe Horford would still be fantastic if he was anywhere else besides Philly. As long as he's playing at center full-time and as long as he's got other shooters/playmakers who can run the pick and pop.

[GreenEnvy]

Both Embiid and Simmons are great players. But Simmons shooting and Embiid's motor/conditioning are glaring issues. They actually have a decent supporting cast. Despite being overpaid, Al and Harris are still good. Richardson, Milton, Burks, Matthysse are pretty good role players.

But their two best players simply don't compliment each other. One needs to go. Who they move and for what will be interesting. Personally, I'd keep Embiid and try to get a PG who can compliment him better. Imagine someone like Kemba playing with Embiid? I don't know who they would trade Embiid for that would make sense. Porzingis? Stretch center who can run the floor? Idk.

[Phantom255x]

I think the Sixers are soon going to have to make that painful decision to depart with Embiid OR Simmons... AND package Horford along with some more pick(s) or players to get rid of his contract. But even then, because Horford's deal is really bad I imagine PHI won't get back as much value as they'd hope either even with them trading 1 of Embiid/Simmons + others in trades. Like, they'll get back some good things for trading Embiid or Simmons, but they'll also have to get rid of useful assets too in order to dump Al.

But it's a deal they've got to try and make because otherwise, nothing will change even if they fire Brett Brown, and absolutely no one wants Tobias Harris and his 180M (I think now 3/108M left in it).

[gift]

Really, it all went wrong in 2018 when they had a stronger campaign than they anticipated. Getting the third seed and winning a playoff series convinced them that they needed to become a contender ASAP when really they had all the time in the world. They jumped the gun when they cashed in their assets and tied their cap around Harris and Horford. Now they're locked into this dysfunctional group for the foreseeable future.

They had a team and lost 4-1 to the Celtics in 2018, traded everyone and spent $300M to lose 4-0 to the Celtics in 2020.

No, no, no.

They had a team that lost 4-3 to the Celtics in 2012, decided that was too mediocre, and spent 4 years losing on purpose to rebuild a team to lose 4-0 to the Celtics in 2020.   



(I know that's not exactly what happened, there was a failed Bynum in there traded that helped them decide to take the path of the process, but I'm enjoying laughing at them too much now to worry about the details).

I'll take it though.

[gouki88]

Crazy how Celtics have so much to do with the Sixers failures.

Crazy AND delightful

It really is delicious

[Phantom255x]

Crazy how Celtics have so much to do with the Sixers failures.

Crazy AND delightful

It really is delicious

It's a nice process by the Celtics indeed