Simmons or Embiid who would you move?

[wiley]

If they wouldn’t take Kemba, what about Jaylen for Simmons- Simmons plays point on offense and the four on defense . We give up a wing but still have Kemba, Tatum and a hopefully healthy Hayward.

It's tempting, but I wouldn't do it. Brown has come a long way since his early days with C's. When he entered the league he was just a talented slasher. Four years later, he's a great off-ball player as well! He's shooting 41.9% in catch and shoot 3s in 4.1 attempts per game. Brown and Tatum have great chemistry on both sides of the court. It's not just that they are scoring points. They make the C's one of the most versatile defensive teams around the league.

Don't get me wrong, Simmons is an ever more versatile defender than Brown. If we can somehow put Simmons next to Tatum, Brown and Smart, the C's would become the best defensive team in the NBA!

Smart - Brown - Hayward - Tatum - Simmons

Five wings switching every ball screen on D! This would be an amazing team!

Ironically I think that would leave Philly as the team best suited to beat us. A monster inside with Embiid & a fast guard who can shoot from anywhere - Kemba used to light us up before he joined us

Good for them. At the end of the day, we'd become a better team than we are now, plus we'd have arguably the best young core in the NBA.

Kemba + Theis + our 3 firsts for Simmons + Scott (salary filler)

https://tradenba.com/trades/QYhiedMUW

Don't know about you, but I'd do that deal in a heartbeat.

Never would I do that one!!   

[keevsnick]

I think the first thing they'll do fire Brown and then try to trade Horford+pick(s) for a piece that makes more sense. Buddy Heild seems to be unhappy in Sac, and Sac could use a stretch big to put next to bagley so maybe Horford+pick(s) for Heild?

Then if THAT doesnt work maybe you try trading Simmons or Embiid. By guess is you try Simmons for Lillard/Beal/Booker basically whatever high level guard you can get.

I would think Sac could do better than that for Hield. Horford is one of the worse contracts in the league, it would probably take a lot of picks to convince Sac to do it.

Not sure what direction the Kings will go now that Vlade is gone

I mean I think the Horford contract isn't great, but  also think a large part of the problem is just general 76ers dysfunction and the fact that the 76ers as constricted do absolutely nothing to take advantage of Al Horford's strengths.

All that said you're probably right, but the Kings are well known for not doing smart things.

[gouki88]

If they wouldn’t take Kemba, what about Jaylen for Simmons- Simmons plays point on offense and the four on defense . We give up a wing but still have Kemba, Tatum and a hopefully healthy Hayward.

It's tempting, but I wouldn't do it. Brown has come a long way since his early days with C's. When he entered the league he was just a talented slasher. Four years later, he's a great off-ball player as well! He's shooting 41.9% in catch and shoot 3s in 4.1 attempts per game. Brown and Tatum have great chemistry on both sides of the court. It's not just that they are scoring points. They make the C's one of the most versatile defensive teams around the league.

Don't get me wrong, Simmons is an ever more versatile defender than Brown. If we can somehow put Simmons next to Tatum, Brown and Smart, the C's would become the best defensive team in the NBA!

Smart - Brown - Hayward - Tatum - Simmons

Five wings switching every ball screen on D! This would be an amazing team!

Ironically I think that would leave Philly as the team best suited to beat us. A monster inside with Embiid & a fast guard who can shoot from anywhere - Kemba used to light us up before he joined us

Good for them. At the end of the day, we'd become a better team than we are now, plus we'd have arguably the best young core in the NBA.

Kemba + Theis + our 3 firsts for Simmons + Scott (salary filler)

https://tradenba.com/trades/QYhiedMUW

Don't know about you, but I'd do that deal in a heartbeat.

I don't think I would. I don't like Simmons as a small ball 5 at all. He's got the length, but he is not nearly strong enough. It would also be terrible optics for us to ditch our marquee signing PG, which isn't something we really need given the bitter taste many have in their mouth about our handling of IT. I also don't see JT and Simmons as remotely compatible.

[gouki88]

I think the first thing they'll do fire Brown and then try to trade Horford+pick(s) for a piece that makes more sense. Buddy Heild seems to be unhappy in Sac, and Sac could use a stretch big to put next to bagley so maybe Horford+pick(s) for Heild?

Then if THAT doesnt work maybe you try trading Simmons or Embiid. By guess is you try Simmons for Lillard/Beal/Booker basically whatever high level guard you can get.

I would think Sac could do better than that for Hield. Horford is one of the worse contracts in the league, it would probably take a lot of picks to convince Sac to do it.

Not sure what direction the Kings will go now that Vlade is gone

I mean I think the Horford contract isn't great, but  also think a large part of the problem is just general 76ers dysfunction and the fact that the 76ers as constricted do absolutely nothing to take advantage of Al Horford's strengths.

All that said you're probably right, but the Kings are well known for not doing smart things.

That's very true, they'd probably trade Buddy + 1st for Horford, not the other way around

[KGs Knee]

Don't get me wrong, Simmons is an ever more versatile defender than Brown. If we can somehow put Simmons next to Tatum, Brown and Smart, the C's would become the best defensive team in the NBA!

Smart - Brown - Hayward - Tatum - Simmons

Five wings switching every ball screen on D! This would be an amazing team!

This just makes me want to puke.  That is not what I want the NBA to become.  Something needs to change, this whole small-ball nonsense is beyond out of control.

[Jvalin]

Don't get me wrong, Simmons is an ever more versatile defender than Brown. If we can somehow put Simmons next to Tatum, Brown and Smart, the C's would become the best defensive team in the NBA!

Smart - Brown - Hayward - Tatum - Simmons

Five wings switching every ball screen on D! This would be an amazing team!

This just makes me want to puke.  That is not what I want the NBA to become.  Something needs to change, this whole small-ball nonsense is beyond out of control.

Does our current lineup make you wanna puke as well? Cause Simmons is 6'10", which means that he's 2 inches taller than Theis.

Horford is 6'9". Did you wanna puke when he was our starting Center?

[gouki88]

Don't get me wrong, Simmons is an ever more versatile defender than Brown. If we can somehow put Simmons next to Tatum, Brown and Smart, the C's would become the best defensive team in the NBA!

Smart - Brown - Hayward - Tatum - Simmons

Five wings switching every ball screen on D! This would be an amazing team!

This just makes me want to puke.  That is not what I want the NBA to become.  Something needs to change, this whole small-ball nonsense is beyond out of control.

Does our current lineup make you wanna puke as well? Cause Simmons is 6'10", which means that he's 2 inches taller than Theis.

Horford is 6'9". Did you wanna puke when he was our starting Center?

You keep talking about this as if height is the be-all and end-all of the discussion. It's not. Kevin Durant is taller than Dwight Howard - he's not remotely more suited to being a centre than Dwight. Short big-men play bigger than Simmons, a 6'10 guard/forward, ever will.

[KGs Knee]

Don't get me wrong, Simmons is an ever more versatile defender than Brown. If we can somehow put Simmons next to Tatum, Brown and Smart, the C's would become the best defensive team in the NBA!

Smart - Brown - Hayward - Tatum - Simmons

Five wings switching every ball screen on D! This would be an amazing team!

This just makes me want to puke.  That is not what I want the NBA to become.  Something needs to change, this whole small-ball nonsense is beyond out of control.

Does our current lineup make you wanna puke as well? Cause Simmons is 6'10", which means that he's 2 inches taller than Theis.

Horford is 6'9". Did you wanna puke when he was our starting Center?

You keep talking about this as if height is the be-all and end-all of the discussion. It's not. Kevin Durant is taller than Dwight Howard - he's not remotely more suited to being a centre than Dwight. Short big-men play bigger than Simmons, a 6'10 guard/forward, ever will.

This was basically my response before I timed out and had to login again.

Ben Wallace was shorter than all of them.

[gouki88]

Don't get me wrong, Simmons is an ever more versatile defender than Brown. If we can somehow put Simmons next to Tatum, Brown and Smart, the C's would become the best defensive team in the NBA!

Smart - Brown - Hayward - Tatum - Simmons

Five wings switching every ball screen on D! This would be an amazing team!

This just makes me want to puke.  That is not what I want the NBA to become.  Something needs to change, this whole small-ball nonsense is beyond out of control.

Does our current lineup make you wanna puke as well? Cause Simmons is 6'10", which means that he's 2 inches taller than Theis.

Horford is 6'9". Did you wanna puke when he was our starting Center?

You keep talking about this as if height is the be-all and end-all of the discussion. It's not. Kevin Durant is taller than Dwight Howard - he's not remotely more suited to being a centre than Dwight. Short big-men play bigger than Simmons, a 6'10 guard/forward, ever will.

This was basically my response before I timed out and had to login again.

Ben Wallace was shorter than all of them.

Big Ben would've been a mean SF

[Jvalin]

Don't get me wrong, Simmons is an ever more versatile defender than Brown. If we can somehow put Simmons next to Tatum, Brown and Smart, the C's would become the best defensive team in the NBA!

Smart - Brown - Hayward - Tatum - Simmons

Five wings switching every ball screen on D! This would be an amazing team!

This just makes me want to puke.  That is not what I want the NBA to become.  Something needs to change, this whole small-ball nonsense is beyond out of control.

Does our current lineup make you wanna puke as well? Cause Simmons is 6'10", which means that he's 2 inches taller than Theis.

Horford is 6'9". Did you wanna puke when he was our starting Center?

You keep talking about this as if height is the be-all and end-all of the discussion. It's not. Kevin Durant is taller than Dwight Howard - he's not remotely more suited to being a centre than Dwight. Short big-men play bigger than Simmons, a 6'10 guard/forward, ever will.

This was basically my response before I timed out and had to login again.

Ben Wallace was shorter than all of them.

@gouki, KG

What is that supposed to mean? Ben Wallace was the epitome of a small ball Center. Him and Bill Russell are probably the 2 best Centers ever at switching ball screens on the perimeter. Our whole defensive system is based on switching ball screens. The Celtics switch 18 on-ball picks per 100 possessions. That's second most in the NBA behind only the Rockets.

Imo, Simmons is hands down the best 6'10+ perimeter defender around the league. He'd be the perfect fit for our defensive system.

[gouki88]

Don't get me wrong, Simmons is an ever more versatile defender than Brown. If we can somehow put Simmons next to Tatum, Brown and Smart, the C's would become the best defensive team in the NBA!

Smart - Brown - Hayward - Tatum - Simmons

Five wings switching every ball screen on D! This would be an amazing team!

This just makes me want to puke.  That is not what I want the NBA to become.  Something needs to change, this whole small-ball nonsense is beyond out of control.

Does our current lineup make you wanna puke as well? Cause Simmons is 6'10", which means that he's 2 inches taller than Theis.

Horford is 6'9". Did you wanna puke when he was our starting Center?

You keep talking about this as if height is the be-all and end-all of the discussion. It's not. Kevin Durant is taller than Dwight Howard - he's not remotely more suited to being a centre than Dwight. Short big-men play bigger than Simmons, a 6'10 guard/forward, ever will.

This was basically my response before I timed out and had to login again.

Ben Wallace was shorter than all of them.

@gouki, KG

What is that supposed to mean? Ben Wallace was the epitome of a small ball Center. Him and Bill Russell are probably the 2 best Centers ever at switching ball screens on the perimeter. Our whole defensive system is based on switching ball screens. The Celtics switch 18 on-ball picks per 100 possessions. That's second most in the NBA behind only the Rockets.

Imo, Simmons is hands down the best 6'10+ perimeter defender around the league. He'd be the perfect fit for our defensive system.

They were also two of the best shot-blockers in the history of the game, and were strong/smart enough to defend monsters like Wilt and Shaq. Simmons is not at all like that.

[KGs Knee]

Don't get me wrong, Simmons is an ever more versatile defender than Brown. If we can somehow put Simmons next to Tatum, Brown and Smart, the C's would become the best defensive team in the NBA!

Smart - Brown - Hayward - Tatum - Simmons

Five wings switching every ball screen on D! This would be an amazing team!

This just makes me want to puke.  That is not what I want the NBA to become.  Something needs to change, this whole small-ball nonsense is beyond out of control.

Does our current lineup make you wanna puke as well? Cause Simmons is 6'10", which means that he's 2 inches taller than Theis.

Horford is 6'9". Did you wanna puke when he was our starting Center?

You keep talking about this as if height is the be-all and end-all of the discussion. It's not. Kevin Durant is taller than Dwight Howard - he's not remotely more suited to being a centre than Dwight. Short big-men play bigger than Simmons, a 6'10 guard/forward, ever will.

This was basically my response before I timed out and had to login again.

Ben Wallace was shorter than all of them.

@gouki, KG

What is that supposed to mean? Ben Wallace was the epitome of a small ball Center. Him and Bill Russell are probably the 2 best Centers ever at switching ball screens on the perimeter. Our whole defensive system is based on switching ball screens. The Celtics switch 18 on-ball picks per 100 possessions. That's second best in the NBA behind only the Rockets.

Imo, Simmons is hands down the best 6'10+ perimeter defender around the league. He'd be the perfect fit for our defensive system.

Being able to defend on the perimeter alone does not make someone a small-ball center.  Ben Wallace could defend the post against the likes of Shaq because of his strength, technique, and understanding of interior play.  He could also move his feet well and cover on the perimeter.  Detroit did not use him in an endless switching scheme like what you're essentially advocating for.  They used him to defend the post, hedge on screens and in drop coverage, in addition to providing weak side help.  He probably could play a modern switching scheme, but it'd be sad if that was all he was relegated to.

Simmons is a wing.  He plays like a wing.  If teams's are going to be able to just play guards and wings, and literally do not need to play bigs, that sucks.  So far, it seem that is not the case, at least not universally.  I'm rooting against Houston so hard for this reason.  I do not want to see them succeed eschewing a center entirely.

[Jvalin]

Being able to defend on the perimeter alone does not make someone a small-ball center.

If that someone is 6'10, then it makes him the perfect small-ball Center. That's the whole point of using small-ball Centers: switching ball screens on the perimeter and defending multiple positions. Btw, this is exactly what Theis does for the C's. He's a very versatile defender.

They were also two of the best shot-blockers in the history of the game, and were strong/smart enough to defend monsters like Wilt and Shaq. Simmons is not at all like that.

Ben Wallace could defend the post against the likes of Shaq

If there were a guy like Wilt/Shaq in today's NBA, we would be having a very different conversation. There is no need to start a traditional big man anymore. Slow-footed big men get killed in the pick n roll/pop.

Simmons is a wing.  He plays like a wing.

Only because he plays next to Embiid. People keep saying that Simmons cannot play off the ball. This is true in Philly, but it wouldn't be the case in Boston. I bet Simmons would make a terrific roll man. Whenever he'd be off the ball, he'd be setting picks on the perimeter with a view to rolling hard to the basket. I'd love to watch the Smart-Simmons pick n roll!

I'm rooting against Houston so hard for this reason.  I do not want to see them succeed eschewing a center entirely.

I'm rooting against them too, but you are comparing apples and oranges here. PJ Tucker is 6'5 for crying out loud! Again, Simmons is 6'10!

I hate D'Anthoni's style of play. If you ask me, the Rockets are a traveling circus (at least prior to the bubble cause they don't travel anymore ). No way they make serious noise in the playoffs.

[Somebody]

I hate D'Anthoni's style of play. If you ask me, the Rockets are a traveling circus (at least prior to the bubble cause they don't travel anymore ). No way they make serious noise in the playoffs.

I love the Rockets' microball, to me they're making the best out of their limited personnel. Rooting for them to make some noise in the playoffs and I think they will.

[trickybilly]

You make Heat much worse, so why would they do that?

My idea:

Embiid for Towns, straight up.  Towns would fit in much better with Ben Simmons. Embiid would improve Wolves defense, which is awful.

Both guys could use for a change of teams.

This makes a lot of sense. Simmons/Towns pick and roll/pop would be extremely difficult to cover.