Poll: Hayward Memphis pick for Drummond and Rose

[ozgod]

It seems like a fair trade to me, both the primaries in the deal (Haywart and Drummond) are probably the 4th or 5th best player on a contender.

The difference is Hayward has proven to be completely redundant on this team. We've had almost a three year sample size to look at now and the team doesn't get any worse when he's unavailable nor does it get better when he is available.  He's just another guy you can plug into Brad's system.

I'm not 100% sure Drummond is the answer, but it'd be nice to have an actual center again instead of a bunch of guys who are backups at best on playoff teams.

Scoring Efficiency (TS%) without Gordon Hayward on the floor:

Jayson Tatum 51.9%
Jaylen Brown 59.5%
Kemba Walker 58.2%
Daniel Theis 55.4%
Enes Kanter 59.8%

Team overall: 55.6%
Team Offensive Rating:  113.2
Team Assisted Shot Rate:  55.0%

Scoring efficiency WITH Gordon Hayward on the floor:

Jayson Tatum 57.6%
Jaylen Brown 59.8%
Kemba Walker 60.5%
Daniel Theis 60.5%
Enes Kanter 65.6%

Team Overall:  57.7%
Team Offensive Rating: 117.0
Team Assisted Shot Rate:  58.5%

TP and QED.

[gouki88]

Stats don't tell the whole story.

If Celts are so good with Hayward then why is the Celtic record just 16-10 when Hayward is playing?

1) our bench sucks and 2) Hayward can’t play all 48 minutes...

You’re really relentless, but you’re wrong to think Drummond is better than him

[Fierce1]

Stats don't tell the whole story.

If Celts are so good with Hayward then why is the Celtic record just 16-10 when Hayward is playing?

1) our bench sucks and 2) Hayward can’t play all 48 minutes...

You’re really relentless, but you’re wrong to think Drummond is better than him

Hayward being better than Drummond is subjective.

According to you he is, but that's not a fact, that's just your opinion.

Didn't you guys also tell me not so long ago that I was wrong about Jaylen Brown can be traded this season?

When Larry Coon answered, I ended up being right.

All of us are just Celtic fans here, unless you're going to tell me you work for the Celtic front office, your opinion could just be as wrong as mine.

[GreenFaith1819]

Stats don't tell the whole story.

If Celts are so good with Hayward then why is the Celtic record just 16-10 when Hayward is playing?

1) our bench sucks and 2) Hayward can’t play all 48 minutes...

You’re really relentless, but you’re wrong to think Drummond is better than him

Agreed.

The Laker game is a PRIME example of this.....and to a lesser extent the MIL game recently.

For ME, personally - I love having 4 potent offensive weapons on the floor at all times...5 when Kanter is in the game.

We lose Hayward and we lose a very good scorer, rebounder, one of our best facilitators and floor generals.

He can also hit from deep as well.

We took it to the Lakers the other night....and they had to account for Kemba, Jaylen, Jayson AND Hayward. We stayed aggressive for FOUR quarters with these guys.

I like Dre but I'd rather roll with what we have now.

[RPGenerate]

No other team wants to give up a first for Drummond. So the question is, if no one wants to trade anything significant for him, shouldn't that be a huge red flag? Why should we then trade not only a lottery pick, but also a great player like Hayward?

[Fierce1]

Stats don't tell the whole story.

If Celts are so good with Hayward then why is the Celtic record just 16-10 when Hayward is playing?

1) our bench sucks and 2) Hayward can’t play all 48 minutes...

You’re really relentless, but you’re wrong to think Drummond is better than him

Agreed.

The Laker game is a PRIME example of this.....and to a lesser extent the MIL game recently.

For ME, personally - I love having 4 potent offensive weapons on the floor at all times...5 when Kanter is in the game.

We lose Hayward and we lose a very good scorer, rebounder, one of our best facilitators and floor generals.

He can also hit from deep as well.

We took it to the Lakers the other night....and they had to account for Kemba, Jaylen, Jayson AND Hayward. We stayed aggressive for FOUR quarters with these guys.

I like Dre but I'd rather roll with what we have now.

The Laker game cannot be the basis of how good the Celtics are.

Against the Celts, Lakers had a FG% of 43.8% and 3pt FG% of 26.9%.
Lakers normally shoot 48.5% from the field, #1 in the NBA.
They also shoot 35.9% from 3pt land.

The Laker game was a case of the Lakers not being their normal selves and the Celts being better than they usually are.

[Fierce1]

No other team wants to give up a first for Drummond. So the question is, if no one wants to trade anything significant for him, shouldn't that be a huge red flag? Why should we then trade not only a lottery pick, but also a great player like Hayward?

It's been all over the news.

REASON WHY no one wants to trade for Drummond is because he already DECLARED he's going to opt out and become a free-agent.

So why would Atlanta, NY, and other teams with cap space waste a 1st round pick on Drummond when they can offer Drummond a max contract or a near max contract in the summer of 2020.

Celts should trade for Drummond because Celts have ZERO chance of signing him in the summer.

It's not a red flag, it's just teams with cap space being smart.

[GreenFaith1819]

Stats don't tell the whole story.

If Celts are so good with Hayward then why is the Celtic record just 16-10 when Hayward is playing?

1) our bench sucks and 2) Hayward can’t play all 48 minutes...

You’re really relentless, but you’re wrong to think Drummond is better than him

Agreed.

The Laker game is a PRIME example of this.....and to a lesser extent the MIL game recently.

For ME, personally - I love having 4 potent offensive weapons on the floor at all times...5 when Kanter is in the game.

We lose Hayward and we lose a very good scorer, rebounder, one of our best facilitators and floor generals.

He can also hit from deep as well.

We took it to the Lakers the other night....and they had to account for Kemba, Jaylen, Jayson AND Hayward. We stayed aggressive for FOUR quarters with these guys.

I like Dre but I'd rather roll with what we have now.

The Laker game cannot be the basis of how good the Celtics are.

Against the Celts, Lakers had a FG% of 43.8% and 3pt FG% of 26.9%.
Lakers normally shoot 48.5% from the field, #1 in the NBA.
They also shoot 35.9% from 3pt land.

The Laker game was a case of the Lakers not being their normal selves and the Celts being better than they usually are.

But it would've been a LOT easier to chase Kemba and The Jays around vice Kemba, The Jays AND Hayward.

I like Dre but he personally doesn't move the needle much for me.

Even IF us and LA would've shot to our averages GH would've been instrumental in that win for us.

[Fierce1]

Stats don't tell the whole story.

If Celts are so good with Hayward then why is the Celtic record just 16-10 when Hayward is playing?

1) our bench sucks and 2) Hayward can’t play all 48 minutes...

You’re really relentless, but you’re wrong to think Drummond is better than him

Agreed.

The Laker game is a PRIME example of this.....and to a lesser extent the MIL game recently.

For ME, personally - I love having 4 potent offensive weapons on the floor at all times...5 when Kanter is in the game.

We lose Hayward and we lose a very good scorer, rebounder, one of our best facilitators and floor generals.

He can also hit from deep as well.

We took it to the Lakers the other night....and they had to account for Kemba, Jaylen, Jayson AND Hayward. We stayed aggressive for FOUR quarters with these guys.

I like Dre but I'd rather roll with what we have now.

The Laker game cannot be the basis of how good the Celtics are.

Against the Celts, Lakers had a FG% of 43.8% and 3pt FG% of 26.9%.
Lakers normally shoot 48.5% from the field, #1 in the NBA.
They also shoot 35.9% from 3pt land.

The Laker game was a case of the Lakers not being their normal selves and the Celts being better than they usually are.

But it would've been a LOT easier to chase Kemba and The Jays around vice Kemba, The Jays AND Hayward.

I like Dre but he personally doesn't move the needle much for me.

Even IF us and LA would've regressed to the means GH would've been instrumental in that win for us.

I'm not saying you're wrong, but here's the thing, to get to the Finals and face the Lakers in the Finals, the Celts have to make it to the Finals first.

If Theis is the Center who's going to get a lot of minutes in the playoffs, it will not end well for the Celts.

Depending on their opponent, the Celts will most likely exit in the 2nd round.

[RPGenerate]

No other team wants to give up a first for Drummond. So the question is, if no one wants to trade anything significant for him, shouldn't that be a huge red flag? Why should we then trade not only a lottery pick, but also a great player like Hayward?

It's been all over the news.

REASON WHY no one wants to trade for Drummond is because he already DECLARED he's going to opt out and become a free-agent.

So why would Atlanta, NY, and other teams with cap space waste a 1st round pick on Drummond when they can offer Drummond a max contract or a near max contract in the summer of 2020.

Celts should trade for Drummond because Celts have ZERO chance of signing him in the summer.

It's not a red flag, it's just teams with cap space being smart.

Lol any teams that gives him a max contract are really stupid. So basically you want us to take a risk on an empty calories player that could either just opt out and leave, or demand a max contract?

[nickagneta]

Stats don't tell the whole story.

If Celts are so good with Hayward then why is the Celtic record just 16-10 when Hayward is playing?

1) our bench sucks and 2) Hayward can’t play all 48 minutes...

You’re really relentless, but you’re wrong to think Drummond is better than him

Agreed.

The Laker game is a PRIME example of this.....and to a lesser extent the MIL game recently.

For ME, personally - I love having 4 potent offensive weapons on the floor at all times...5 when Kanter is in the game.

We lose Hayward and we lose a very good scorer, rebounder, one of our best facilitators and floor generals.

He can also hit from deep as well.

We took it to the Lakers the other night....and they had to account for Kemba, Jaylen, Jayson AND Hayward. We stayed aggressive for FOUR quarters with these guys.

I like Dre but I'd rather roll with what we have now.

The Laker game cannot be the basis of how good the Celtics are.

Against the Celts, Lakers had a FG% of 43.8% and 3pt FG% of 26.9%.
Lakers normally shoot 48.5% from the field, #1 in the NBA.
They also shoot 35.9% from 3pt land.

The Laker game was a case of the Lakers not being their normal selves and the Celts being better than they usually are.

So you don't think that the stifling defense that the Celtics played the last 40 minutes of that game had anything whatsoever to do with the Lakers shooting poorly?

BTW, that great defense was great defense on all their bigs too.

Do I think the Lakers didn't bring it? Yup. But I also think when the Lakers saw how difficult Boston's defense was going to be, that's when they decided to roll over and just get onto New York City.

[Fierce1]

No other team wants to give up a first for Drummond. So the question is, if no one wants to trade anything significant for him, shouldn't that be a huge red flag? Why should we then trade not only a lottery pick, but also a great player like Hayward?

It's been all over the news.

REASON WHY no one wants to trade for Drummond is because he already DECLARED he's going to opt out and become a free-agent.

So why would Atlanta, NY, and other teams with cap space waste a 1st round pick on Drummond when they can offer Drummond a max contract or a near max contract in the summer of 2020.

Celts should trade for Drummond because Celts have ZERO chance of signing him in the summer.

It's not a red flag, it's just teams with cap space being smart.

Lol any teams that gives him a max contract are really stupid. So basically you want us to take a risk on an empty calories player that could either just opt out and leave, or demand a max contract?

I would NOT trade Hayward if Hayward is healthy.

But here's the thing, Hayward is taking cortisone shots.
You can do research about athletes using cortisone just to be able to play.
Hayward is simply damaged goods.

This is a chance for the Celts get something for Hayward while Hayward still has value.

[gouki88]

No other team wants to give up a first for Drummond. So the question is, if no one wants to trade anything significant for him, shouldn't that be a huge red flag? Why should we then trade not only a lottery pick, but also a great player like Hayward?

It's been all over the news.

REASON WHY no one wants to trade for Drummond is because he already DECLARED he's going to opt out and become a free-agent.

So why would Atlanta, NY, and other teams with cap space waste a 1st round pick on Drummond when they can offer Drummond a max contract or a near max contract in the summer of 2020.

Celts should trade for Drummond because Celts have ZERO chance of signing him in the summer.

It's not a red flag, it's just teams with cap space being smart.

Lol any teams that gives him a max contract are really stupid. So basically you want us to take a risk on an empty calories player that could either just opt out and leave, or demand a max contract?

I would NOT trade Hayward if Hayward is healthy.

But here's the thing, Hayward is taking cortisone shots.
You can do research about athletes using cortisone just to be able to play.
Hayward is simply damaged goods.

This is a chance for the Celts get something for Hayward while Hayward still has value.

Why is taking cortisone shots the end of a player? Are you serious?

[Fierce1]

Stats don't tell the whole story.

If Celts are so good with Hayward then why is the Celtic record just 16-10 when Hayward is playing?

1) our bench sucks and 2) Hayward can’t play all 48 minutes...

You’re really relentless, but you’re wrong to think Drummond is better than him

Agreed.

The Laker game is a PRIME example of this.....and to a lesser extent the MIL game recently.

For ME, personally - I love having 4 potent offensive weapons on the floor at all times...5 when Kanter is in the game.

We lose Hayward and we lose a very good scorer, rebounder, one of our best facilitators and floor generals.

He can also hit from deep as well.

We took it to the Lakers the other night....and they had to account for Kemba, Jaylen, Jayson AND Hayward. We stayed aggressive for FOUR quarters with these guys.

I like Dre but I'd rather roll with what we have now.

The Laker game cannot be the basis of how good the Celtics are.

Against the Celts, Lakers had a FG% of 43.8% and 3pt FG% of 26.9%.
Lakers normally shoot 48.5% from the field, #1 in the NBA.
They also shoot 35.9% from 3pt land.

The Laker game was a case of the Lakers not being their normal selves and the Celts being better than they usually are.

So you don't think that the stifling defense that the Celtics played the last 40 minutes of that game had anything whatsoever to do with the Lakers shooting poorly?

BTW, that great defense was great defense on all their bigs too.

Do I think the Lakers didn't bring it? Yup. But I also think when the Lakers saw how difficult Boston's defense was going to be, that's when they decided to roll over and just get onto New York City.

I hate to say this, nick, but the Celts defense did nothing new.
It was the same defense against losses from the Wiz, Bucks, and Suns.
The only difference was the Lakers were not making their shots from the outside.

Celts were helping inside the paint, that's why the Laker bigs had a hard time scoring.
But when the Laker bigs kicked it out to open shooters, the Laker shooters simply missed a lot.

[GreenFaith1819]

Stats don't tell the whole story.

If Celts are so good with Hayward then why is the Celtic record just 16-10 when Hayward is playing?

1) our bench sucks and 2) Hayward can’t play all 48 minutes...

You’re really relentless, but you’re wrong to think Drummond is better than him

Agreed.

The Laker game is a PRIME example of this.....and to a lesser extent the MIL game recently.

For ME, personally - I love having 4 potent offensive weapons on the floor at all times...5 when Kanter is in the game.

We lose Hayward and we lose a very good scorer, rebounder, one of our best facilitators and floor generals.

He can also hit from deep as well.

We took it to the Lakers the other night....and they had to account for Kemba, Jaylen, Jayson AND Hayward. We stayed aggressive for FOUR quarters with these guys.

I like Dre but I'd rather roll with what we have now.

The Laker game cannot be the basis of how good the Celtics are.

Against the Celts, Lakers had a FG% of 43.8% and 3pt FG% of 26.9%.
Lakers normally shoot 48.5% from the field, #1 in the NBA.
They also shoot 35.9% from 3pt land.

The Laker game was a case of the Lakers not being their normal selves and the Celts being better than they usually are.

But it would've been a LOT easier to chase Kemba and The Jays around vice Kemba, The Jays AND Hayward.

I like Dre but he personally doesn't move the needle much for me.

Even IF us and LA would've regressed to the means GH would've been instrumental in that win for us.

I'm not saying you're wrong, but here's the thing, to get to the Finals and face the Lakers in the Finals, the Celts have to make it to the Finals first.

If Theis is the Center who's going to get a lot of minutes in the playoffs, it will not end well for the Celts.

Depending on their opponent, the Celts will most likely exit in the 2nd round.

You know, just a few weeks ago you could've found me posting to trade Jayson for a quality Big...Gasol, Steve Adams, etc, etc...

Now? Kanter has shown me enough. He won't stop Embiid but neither is Dre, Gasol or Steve Adams. They could slow him down but at what cost?

For Dre - an inflated salary for BOS? Same with Gasol?

I'm worried a bit less about Embiid. Emiid needs to show me he can even PLAY an entire series.

Al will be a handful too, granted - but we may not even PLAY PHI in the playoffs.

The Laker game showed me what happens when this team plays aggressively and doesn't back down.

We ALMOST beat MIL, too - IN MIL...if GH would've hit a few more baskets.