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Would you make this trade

Yes
19 (20%)
No
67 (70.5%)
Yes without pick, or lesser pick
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Re: Poll: Hayward Memphis pick for Drummond and Rose
« Reply #15 on: January 20, 2020, 03:37:12 PM »

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no. 

Drummond doesn't add enough over Theis and Kanter and is in fact slower than Theis and less effective scoring than Kanter.

no need for Rose when we have Kemba.

Re: Poll: Hayward Memphis pick for Drummond and Rose
« Reply #16 on: January 20, 2020, 05:09:30 PM »

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I said it in a different thread, but I don't see any way Ainge ever makes a trade for Drummond with Kanter still on the team. Kanter is an excellent low post threat and rebounder and he doesn't even start. He also makes less than 20% of what Drummond makes and is likely to be much much more affordable next offseason (either 120% of what he makes now or MLE).

I understand Drummond is a little better than Kanter, but I don't think he adds enough to our current scheme to be a real difference maker - especially at the expense of our most versatile player in Hayward.

Rose might be interesting off the bench, but none of the guys above would really need to be involved in such a trade.

Yep.

Instead of acquiring Drummond, just play Kanter about 10-15 minutes more per game. You'd be getting basically the same production as Drummond with only slightly worse defense. But Drummond isn't a big upgrade in any way, shape or form.
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Re: Poll: Hayward Memphis pick for Drummond and Rose
« Reply #17 on: January 20, 2020, 07:16:12 PM »

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Yes please.

Rose upgrades the bench by a mile.. Ave 23 ppg in January. Drummond is an upgrade over any big we have... We only give up GH who is taking ages to getting back to his old self and a Memphis pick which is going to end up in the 15 to 20 range and we all know how bad Danny messes those picks up.

Re: Poll: Hayward Memphis pick for Drummond and Rose
« Reply #18 on: January 21, 2020, 01:39:58 AM »

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Another option is if the Celts want a shooter, it can be Hayward and a pick for Drummond and Kennard.

Re: Poll: Hayward Memphis pick for Drummond and Rose
« Reply #19 on: January 21, 2020, 02:20:56 AM »

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Another option is if the Celts want a shooter, it can be Hayward and a pick for Drummond and Kennard.
I can't believe after the last game you're still beating this drum. Honestly baffling
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Re: Poll: Hayward Memphis pick for Drummond and Rose
« Reply #20 on: January 21, 2020, 03:13:00 AM »

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I doubt Danny will go for this deal. If anything he will make a move to shore up the bench. None of Tatum, Brown, Hayward, Kemba or Smart are going anywhere, unless someone like KAT becomes available (and maybe not even then).
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Re: Poll: Hayward Memphis pick for Drummond and Rose
« Reply #21 on: January 21, 2020, 07:05:32 AM »

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Another option is if the Celts want a shooter, it can be Hayward and a pick for Drummond and Kennard.
I can't believe after the last game you're still beating this drum. Honestly baffling

One game doesn't solve all the Celtics' problems.

Lakers only made 7 3-pointers, Celtics made 16.
Of course the Celtics would win that game.

The Celtics we saw against the Lakers is not the normal Celtics we usually see.

It was one of those games where the Celtics couldn't miss.

Kanter got a lot of minutes because he was against old school Centers in McGee and Dwight.

And we all saw how Hayward is already expendable because Tatum and Brown are playing at an All-Star level.

Re: Poll: Hayward Memphis pick for Drummond and Rose
« Reply #22 on: January 21, 2020, 07:09:22 AM »

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Another option is if the Celts want a shooter, it can be Hayward and a pick for Drummond and Kennard.
I can't believe after the last game you're still beating this drum. Honestly baffling

One game doesn't solve all the Celtics' problems.

Lakers only made 7 3-pointers, Celtics made 16.
Of course the Celtics would win that game.

The Celtics we saw against the Lakers is not the normal Celtics we usually see.

It was one of those games where the Celtics couldn't miss.

Kanter got a lot of minutes because he was against old school Centers in McGee and Dwight.

And we all saw how Hayward is already expendable because Tatum and Brown are playing at an All-Star level.
Simply put, I have absolutely no idea how that is your conclusion.
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SF: Brandon Roy (08-09) / Walter Davis (78-79)
PF: Terry Cummings (84-85) / Paul Millsap (15-16)
C: Chris Webber (00-01) / Ralph Sampson (83-84) / Andrew Bogut (09-10)

Re: Poll: Hayward Memphis pick for Drummond and Rose
« Reply #23 on: January 21, 2020, 09:25:09 AM »

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Looking for the hell no button.

Re: Poll: Hayward Memphis pick for Drummond and Rose
« Reply #24 on: January 21, 2020, 09:36:22 AM »

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Video game mindset. NBA coaches choose a style of play they wish for the team. That's how they put coaching staffs together and all get on the same page. Rose would be a nice addition to the second unit, with his experience and scoring ability for the right price, because he does get injured quite a bit.

Drummond doesn't fit with the Celtics at all. Drummond is a throwback center of the 1970's variety.

Voted No

Re: Poll: Hayward Memphis pick for Drummond and Rose
« Reply #25 on: January 21, 2020, 10:41:57 AM »

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I still feel you keep Hayward unless Hayward says he doesn't plan on staying.

Re: Poll: Hayward Memphis pick for Drummond and Rose
« Reply #26 on: January 21, 2020, 10:44:38 AM »

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If I owned Detroit I'd probably fire my GM for making that deal.

Re: Poll: Hayward Memphis pick for Drummond and Rose
« Reply #27 on: January 21, 2020, 11:30:16 AM »

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I worry a lot about our ball movement and 3 point shooting if we move Hayward without recieving some of those elements back in the resulting trade. So I voted no.

Re: Poll: Hayward Memphis pick for Drummond and Rose
« Reply #28 on: January 21, 2020, 12:09:40 PM »

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Another option is if the Celts want a shooter, it can be Hayward and a pick for Drummond and Kennard.
I can't believe after the last game you're still beating this drum. Honestly baffling

One game doesn't solve all the Celtics' problems.

Lakers only made 7 3-pointers, Celtics made 16.
Of course the Celtics would win that game.

The Celtics we saw against the Lakers is not the normal Celtics we usually see.

It was one of those games where the Celtics couldn't miss.

Kanter got a lot of minutes because he was against old school Centers in McGee and Dwight.

And we all saw how Hayward is already expendable because Tatum and Brown are playing at an All-Star level.
Simply put, I have absolutely no idea how that is your conclusion.

Simply put, do the Celts average 55.9% from the field?

Celts only shoot 46% on average in FGs.

Do the Celts average 47% from beyond the arc?

Celts only shoot 35.5% from beyond the arc this season.

It's a case of the Celts were hot and the Lakers were cold.

A win against the Lakers doesn't mean the flaw of the Celtics go away.

Re: Poll: Hayward Memphis pick for Drummond and Rose
« Reply #29 on: January 21, 2020, 12:26:19 PM »

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Another option is if the Celts want a shooter, it can be Hayward and a pick for Drummond and Kennard.
I can't believe after the last game you're still beating this drum. Honestly baffling

One game doesn't solve all the Celtics' problems.

Lakers only made 7 3-pointers, Celtics made 16.
Of course the Celtics would win that game.

The Celtics we saw against the Lakers is not the normal Celtics we usually see.

It was one of those games where the Celtics couldn't miss.

Kanter got a lot of minutes because he was against old school Centers in McGee and Dwight.

And we all saw how Hayward is already expendable because Tatum and Brown are playing at an All-Star level.
Simply put, I have absolutely no idea how that is your conclusion.

Simply put, do the Celts average 55.9% from the field?

Celts only shoot 46% on average in FGs.

Do the Celts average 47% from beyond the arc?

Celts only shoot 35.5% from beyond the arc this season.

It's a case of the Celts were hot and the Lakers were cold.

A win against the Lakers doesn't mean the flaw of the Celtics go away.

Actually, when all 5 of our regular starters are on the floor (which unfortunately, has not been enough this season), those aren't far off from their regular marks.   So far this season, the 5-man lineup of Kemba+Jaylen+Gordon+Jayson+Daniel has a TS% of 63.8%, FG% of 54.1% and 3PT% of 44.7%.   

They normally shoot free throws a lot better than they did in the Laker's game, though.

The anomalous thing about this game isn't really about how well these guys played.   The anomalous thing is that we finally had our normal top-7 rotation (the starters plus Smart and Kanter) all healthy, in place and in their normal roles.   That's only happened in a tiny few games so far this year.
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