Jaylen Brown: Last Year Was Fault of Coaches and Front Office, Not Kyrie

[droopdog7]

I suppose what he’s saying is what many of us said all along; the pieces didn’t fit.

[SHAQATTACK]

 looking to join the nets?

[footey]

This is very...odd.

I love Jaylen, but time to move on. I have no idea why on earth he would say anything - especially casting blame on Danny and Brad.

I guess we'll be looking at a lot more 'trade Jaylen' threads once the season is over and he is eligible to be dealt.

Every Celtic who gives any interview with the media is asked about it, so what is he supposed to do?  This is much more moving on than most anything else he could say.

If we want Jaylen to move on then we need to not click stories that have “Celtic X said [this] about Kyrie.”  Then the media will stop acting questions.  I’m sure Jaylen is tired of hearing them.

Love and respect you 100, Saltlover, but don't you feel Jaylen's response only adds fuel to the fire?

[GreenFaith1819]

At this point I doubt the validity of the article....if it was a podcast with Jaylen's voice AND Scoop then it would be more believable.

My guess is some dude that's visited the blog and would love to see another 50 page thread.

You think someone published a completely fabricated article that has several quoted questions and answers?  I mean really.  This isn't the type of thing you can just make up and get away.

I mean you really think this is made up.

Brandon ‘Scoop B’ Robinson: People have often said and made narratives about Kyrie being toxic. I don’t think that’s true, what do you say to people who question his heart and his ability to play the game of basketball?

 Jaylen Brown: Everybody is going to have their own opinion. I don’t think Kyrie cares too much, maybe he does, and maybe he [Kyrie] shouldn’t care as much as he does. He’s Kyrie Irving at the end of the day … nobody is perfect. Kyrie got a lot of the blame and was undeserving. It wasn’t his fault that certain guys couldn’t take a step back. It wasn’t his fault. That was the front office and the coach’s fault. He gets a lot of that blame because he was the star. But a lot of that should be on the organization and coaching staff. It’s in the past. Kyrie is in a better place in Brooklyn, somewhere his roots are. He’ll be fine.

Moranis -

When I first joined this blog back in Oct 2009 one of the first things I learned - from Nick of course - was to post links / data - to back up my own posts - especially in heated debates.

I've also learned - over the years - that it IS possible to be misled by false information..."Fake News" - as some put it.

It "does" exist.

We've been the victims ourselves of this misinformation right here on the blog - especially around trade deadlines. Entities like "Incarcerated Bob" LOL - pop up and claim to know people...."SAUCES".....

When I googled "Scoop B Johnson" I saw all I needed. That is certainly "NOT" this dude's life story but it DOES - in fact - paint a rather unflattering view of him...a story of misinformation only to garner clicks and foot traffic......

It looks like - to Scoop - that Kevin Durant has teamed up with LeBron James in LAL.............just saying.

Shams Charania or Adrian Woj this dude is not.

Nowadays I don't put ANY amount of falsehoods past anyone. We ALL are susceptible to it. I don't put ANY limit on how far folks will go nowadays to get clicks or to mislead OR cause (or continue) confusion.

Look no further than our OWN politics.

Why couldn't this man - in this day and age of technology - simply podcast it?

This is all my take. If others want to get this thread up to 50 pages go right ahead but I'm signing out.

[footey]

At this point I doubt the validity of the article....if it was a podcast with Jaylen's voice AND Scoop then it would be more believable.

My guess is some dude that's visited the blog and would love to see another 50 page thread.

You think someone published a completely fabricated article that has several quoted questions and answers?  I mean really.  This isn't the type of thing you can just make up and get away.

I mean you really think this is made up.

Brandon ‘Scoop B’ Robinson: People have often said and made narratives about Kyrie being toxic. I don’t think that’s true, what do you say to people who question his heart and his ability to play the game of basketball?

 Jaylen Brown: Everybody is going to have their own opinion. I don’t think Kyrie cares too much, maybe he does, and maybe he [Kyrie] shouldn’t care as much as he does. He’s Kyrie Irving at the end of the day … nobody is perfect. Kyrie got a lot of the blame and was undeserving. It wasn’t his fault that certain guys couldn’t take a step back. It wasn’t his fault. That was the front office and the coach’s fault. He gets a lot of that blame because he was the star. But a lot of that should be on the organization and coaching staff. It’s in the past. Kyrie is in a better place in Brooklyn, somewhere his roots are. He’ll be fine.

Moranis -

When I first joined this blog back in Oct 2009 one of the first things I learned - from Nick of course - was to post links / data - to back up my own posts - especially in heated debates.

I've also learned - over the years - that it IS possible to be misled by false information..."Fake News" - as some put it.

It "does" exist.

We've been the victims ourselves of this misinformation right here on the blog - especially around trade deadlines. Entities like "Incarcerated Bob" LOL - pop up and claim to know people...."SAUCES".....

When I googled "Scoop B Johnson" I saw all I needed. That is certainly "NOT" this dude's life story but it DOES - in fact - paint a rather unflattering view of him...a story of misinformation only to garner clicks and foot traffic......

It looks like - to Scoop - that Kevin Durant has teamed up with LeBron James in LAL.............just saying.

Shams Charania or Adrian Woj this dude is not.

Nowadays I don't put ANY amount of falsehoods past anyone. We ALL are susceptible to it. I don't put ANY limit on how far folks will go nowadays to get clicks or to mislead OR cause (or continue) confusion.

Look no further than our OWN politics.

Why couldn't this man - in this day and age of technology - simply podcast it?

This is all my take. If others want to get this thread up to 50 pages go right ahead but I'm signing out.

Scoop put quotation marks around the quotes.  If it turns out Jaylen did not say that, he is a fraud. I happen to believe he probably did say it, although it may have been taken out of context. 

[fairweatherfan]

At this point I doubt the validity of the article....if it was a podcast with Jaylen's voice AND Scoop then it would be more believable.

My guess is some dude that's visited the blog and would love to see another 50 page thread.

You think someone published a completely fabricated article that has several quoted questions and answers?  I mean really.  This isn't the type of thing you can just make up and get away.

I mean you really think this is made up.

Brandon ‘Scoop B’ Robinson: People have often said and made narratives about Kyrie being toxic. I don’t think that’s true, what do you say to people who question his heart and his ability to play the game of basketball?

 Jaylen Brown: Everybody is going to have their own opinion. I don’t think Kyrie cares too much, maybe he does, and maybe he [Kyrie] shouldn’t care as much as he does. He’s Kyrie Irving at the end of the day … nobody is perfect. Kyrie got a lot of the blame and was undeserving. It wasn’t his fault that certain guys couldn’t take a step back. It wasn’t his fault. That was the front office and the coach’s fault. He gets a lot of that blame because he was the star. But a lot of that should be on the organization and coaching staff. It’s in the past. Kyrie is in a better place in Brooklyn, somewhere his roots are. He’ll be fine.

Moranis -

When I first joined this blog back in Oct 2009 one of the first things I learned - from Nick of course - was to post links / data - to back up my own posts - especially in heated debates.

I've also learned - over the years - that it IS possible to be misled by false information..."Fake News" - as some put it.

It "does" exist.

We've been the victims ourselves of this misinformation right here on the blog - especially around trade deadlines. Entities like "Incarcerated Bob" LOL - pop up and claim to know people...."SAUCES".....

When I googled "Scoop B Johnson" I saw all I needed. That is certainly "NOT" this dude's life story but it DOES - in fact - paint a rather unflattering view of him...a story of misinformation only to garner clicks and foot traffic......

It looks like - to Scoop - that Kevin Durant has teamed up with LeBron James in LAL.............just saying.

Shams Charania or Adrian Woj this dude is not.

Nowadays I don't put ANY amount of falsehoods past anyone. We ALL are susceptible to it. I don't put ANY limit on how far folks will go nowadays to get clicks or to mislead OR cause (or continue) confusion.

Look no further than our OWN politics.

Why couldn't this man - in this day and age of technology - simply podcast it?

This is all my take. If others want to get this thread up to 50 pages go right ahead but I'm signing out.

Scoop put quotation marks around the quotes.  If it turns out Jaylen did not say that, he is a fraud. I happen to believe he probably did say it, although it may have been taken out of context.

It seems more contextually honest than most interviewers in that he's publishing his questions and not just the answers, and appears to be providing them in full. A classic deceptive move among more prominent journalists is to ask a leading question then only publish excerpts of the response.

And fabricating an entire interview with a player - which would've been blown wide open already if it had happened - is an entirely different world than playing up some dubiously sourced free agency rumors.

[Donoghus]

If you’re a journalist or aspiring to be a journalist & you start fabricating conversations with your subjects & publishing, you’re almost certainly done if you want to be taken seriously at all.  You risk an entire loss of credibility and career. Also, what subsequent subject would want to sit with someone who fabricates conversations? You risk a total loss of access.

My guess is the poster conversation is transcribed off a recording.  Extreme long shot at best that it’s made up.

[ozgod]

I doubt it's made up. If it was there'd be a response by now. In any case Jaylen is half right in that the front office and the coach share blame in last year's outcome. But the other half is the players, which include himself and Kyrie. Jaylen did mention "certain guys" who couldn't take a step back. Maybe Scoop B, being a New York centric reporter, glossed over the second point, or certain things got taken out of context, who knows.

This is a horse that's been beaten to death and then some. Jaylen is probably being diplomatic. He knows that Ainge and Brad have decided to provide cover for the players for what happened last year. And as much as we as disgruntled fans want to see Kyrie get flagellated by his fellow players, that's not going to happen. At least not while they're all still playing in the NBA. No Celtic or ex-Celtic is going to blame Kyrie for anything, or if they do it will be as part of a collective "we as players failed".

To be honest I'm less interested with his giving Kyrie a pass and more with this "certain guys couldn't take a step back". I'm guessing that's Terry and Mook? Maybe JT? To be honest, halfway through the season I would have put Jaylen himself in the "certain guys couldn't take a step back" category after he struggled with the return of Gordon and the elevation of Smart and Mook to the starting lineup. So I'm not sure who he's referring to but it probably wasn't a good idea, even if it is rather vague.

[ETNCeltics]

Class move by Jaylen Brown.

I will forever miss the good times with Kyrie.

He IS in a better place. There is no place like home.

Additionally - Coach Stevens has ALREADY mentioned fault along these lines as well as Danny.

The unfortunate narrative is that Kyrie takes sole blame and that is not right.

This is anything but a class move. He just threw the coaches and organization that just gave him a $100 million contract under the bus. It was a trash move for him to publicly put blame on the Celtics' organization.

A class move would be to say it was everyone's fault and move on. A class move would be to put the blame on himself. Putting the blame on Danny and Brad? That's as unclassy as it gets. Extraordinarily disappointed in Jaylen.

[keevsnick]

I really honestly dont get what the big deal is here. He does put blame on the players saying its wasn't Kyrie's fault that certain guys couldn't "take a step back." He then puts blame on the coaching staff/front office which has pretty much been the organizational talking point and probably as much as about not wanting to damage the org's rep with star players as it is about the actual truth.

I mean basically he's saying what Brad, Ainge and every Celtics fan with eyes has said. Too many cooks in the kitchen. The entire interview is basically a big softball, every answer is basically a platitude "ie working hard, wnat to win, don't care about the money" so I seriously doubt he was looing to start a controversy.

[gpap]

I really honestly dont get what the big deal is here. He does put blame on the players saying its wasn't Kyrie's fault that certain guys couldn't "take a step back." He then puts blame on the coaching staff/front office which has pretty much been the organizational talking point and probably as much as about not wanting to damage the org's rep with star players as it is about the actual truth.

I mean basically he's saying what Brad, Ainge and every Celtics fan with eyes has said. Too many cooks in the kitchen. The entire interview is basically a big softball, every answer is basically a platitude "ie working hard, wnat to win, don't care about the money" so I seriously doubt he was looing to start a controversy.

Agreed.

Everything he's saying falls right in line with what Ainge and Stevens have already said.

Sure, he could've just evaded the issue altogether and said "we've put last year behind us", but at the same time, he's his own man and can say whatever he pleases.

[mmmmm]

Class move by Jaylen Brown.

I will forever miss the good times with Kyrie.

He IS in a better place. There is no place like home.

Additionally - Coach Stevens has ALREADY mentioned fault along these lines as well as Danny.

The unfortunate narrative is that Kyrie takes sole blame and that is not right.

This is anything but a class move. He just threw the coaches and organization that just gave him a $100 million contract under the bus. It was a trash move for him to publicly put blame on the Celtics' organization.

A class move would be to say it was everyone's fault and move on. A class move would be to put the blame on himself. Putting the blame on Danny and Brad? That's as unclassy as it gets. Extraordinarily disappointed in Jaylen.

Did you read the actual interview?  His full set of statements?

Jaylen DID put the blame on everyone (including himself).  He just broke everyone into groups.   And he essentially echoed what others (Ainge and Brad included) already said.

Anybody getting their panties in a bunch over this clearly is responding only to the clickbait header.

[GreenFaith1819]

The CRAZY thing here is that "I" want the article to be TRUE.

I am one of (perhaps the ONLY) Kyrie Irving defender on here and I am - at times - borderline delusional about it.

I call it Irrational Sports Fandom. Call me guilty of it at times.

It is just that with "THIS" particular article Scoop doesn't have a flattering Twitter history. This is just "MY" take.

I'm just ready to move on from Kyrie. I wish him well in BKN - until he plays BOS.

We have a BRIGHT future here without him.

[footey]

This guy at CBS Sports articulates why it was dumb for Jaylen to say this:

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/jaylen-brown-defends-kyrie-irving-for-celtics-woes-last-season-instead-throws-shade-at-coaches-front-office/

[SHAQATTACK]

there were risks DA had for trading for Irving , given his odd demeanor, bron affiliation,  deva treatment cavs gave him , and mostly boston was not a team he longed to play for.  There were lots of land mines to dodge when DA took him. we all knew that .  I would have done the same .  I liked him,  but all the small mines were triggered that fans bloggers feared.   He just fit like a square peg in a round hole .  He is a one man show boat ....the coach , his plays and teamates roles all went out the window with Irving.  Forcing Gordon back into the lineup about 6 months too early was huge mistake .
Davis snubbing the Celtics , KD injury , Gordons return issues , all worked against DAs plans .