Time to think about trading Tatum?

[Somebody]

Does anyone remember last year? Jaylen Brown was on so many CSers hit list because he struggled and the trade proposals were innumerable. In hindsight, it would have looked pretty bad for Danny if he had traded Brown for some of the, and in hindsight I think I can say this without insulting anyone, absolutely stupid trade proposals made last season. Patience by Danny in his young player resulted in Brown now looking like an All-Star and maybe even something better in the years to come.

Tatum is 21. We know he can shoot at a higher efficiency, we have seen it in the 2 years prior. His defense is much better. His passing somewhat better. And he continues to show he can get his shot off from anywhere.

Perhaps we should learn from last year with Brown. Maybe another dose of patience is necessary.

I mean, let's face it, the Celtics weren't built to be a title winner this year. This was a bridge and growth year as we moved from one possible contender to the next. Due to the salary structure and roster creation, there is not a move out there that is going to make the Celtics a real contender this year.

So, have some patience. Enjoy watching the youth grow. Feel good about the great chemistry and the fun these guys are having while playing each other.

Isn't that what this season was supposed to be all about after all?

^this, TP. Let the youngsters go through their growing pains.

This is not the time to let youngsters go through growing pains.

Celts invested 67m per year on Kemba and Hayward.
That's a lot of money to just spend on growing pains.

If the objective is to develop the young players then why give a small PG like Kemba max money?

The Raptors last season gambled on Kawhi.
They went all in when they traded a young Valanciunas for an old Gasol
It paid off, the Raps won a championship.

With the addition of Kemba, Celts must go all in this season.

There's no guarantee the Celts will have a better chance of winning next season.

Give us an example of a superstar piece that we can go all in with right now.

[bopna]

Let's hope KAT gets continue to get frustrated in Minnesota.

We need a big that can match up with the likes of Embiid... His beef with Joel also is a recipe for a good rivalry.

I'd gladly trade JT, TimeLord, Theis, Memphis pick and whatever else the Wolves want except our core.

[Scottiej23]

Tatum is still a really good player but I'm not confident on him reaching his ceiling or potential and IMO he is a little overrated. I'm not sold on keeping him nor am I sold on trading him BUT I am starting to wonder if a trade should be made while there is still hope of him making that next step up. Better to trade him now while he has high value....bc his value could take a hit if he continues to struggle shooting and turnovers.

Tatums Pros: can score, rebounds well, defense is solid
Cons: shot selection, decreasing shooting % across the board FG, 3p, and FT, turnovers

IF it is time to trade him what is his value?

One trade idea(my own, didn't read anywhere) that I find interesting is with Washington.

Tatum/Kanter for Bryant/Bertans... works in trade machine

Bertans: has been killing it this year from 3 and plays decent defense and rebounds: 6'10.
Bryant: has offensive tools and has really been working on his defense.

BOS Lineup:
Kemba/Brown/Hayward/Bertans/Bryant with Smart/Theis off the bench


For Washington: Tatum/Beal is a nice combo but not sure they really would trade Bryant

Wow, I didn't know Isiah Thomas (Detroit version) posted here. Although a trade this bad would be too inept for even him to do

[Somebody]

Let's hope KAT gets continue to get frustrated in Minnesota.

We need a big that can match up with the likes of Embiid... His beef with Joel also is a recipe for a good rivalry.

I'd gladly trade JT, TimeLord, Theis, Memphis pick and whatever else the Wolves want except our core.

^this. Come to Boston KAT!

[Fierce1]

Does anyone remember last year? Jaylen Brown was on so many CSers hit list because he struggled and the trade proposals were innumerable. In hindsight, it would have looked pretty bad for Danny if he had traded Brown for some of the, and in hindsight I think I can say this without insulting anyone, absolutely stupid trade proposals made last season. Patience by Danny in his young player resulted in Brown now looking like an All-Star and maybe even something better in the years to come.

Tatum is 21. We know he can shoot at a higher efficiency, we have seen it in the 2 years prior. His defense is much better. His passing somewhat better. And he continues to show he can get his shot off from anywhere.

Perhaps we should learn from last year with Brown. Maybe another dose of patience is necessary.

I mean, let's face it, the Celtics weren't built to be a title winner this year. This was a bridge and growth year as we moved from one possible contender to the next. Due to the salary structure and roster creation, there is not a move out there that is going to make the Celtics a real contender this year.

So, have some patience. Enjoy watching the youth grow. Feel good about the great chemistry and the fun these guys are having while playing each other.

Isn't that what this season was supposed to be all about after all?

^this, TP. Let the youngsters go through their growing pains.

This is not the time to let youngsters go through growing pains.

Celts invested 67m per year on Kemba and Hayward.
That's a lot of money to just spend on growing pains.

If the objective is to develop the young players then why give a small PG like Kemba max money?

The Raptors last season gambled on Kawhi.
They went all in when they traded a young Valanciunas for an old Gasol
It paid off, the Raps won a championship.

With the addition of Kemba, Celts must go all in this season.

There's no guarantee the Celts will have a better chance of winning next season.

Give us an example of a superstar piece that we can go all in with right now.

I keep saying it, we do not need a superstar Center.

We just need a someone like Baynes or Horford.

Theis is a good piece to have coming off the bench, but not as the full-time starter.

Celts have the assets to make a trade work.

An example is keeping Theis but trading Kanter, Langford, Poirier, a draft pick, and trade filler for Tristan Thompson.

Some of the Celtic fans here would rather trade Tatum.
That's ridiculous!

Let's just wait for Ainge to pull the trigger.

[LilRip]

Tatum is the least readable guy, imo. I’d rather give up Kemba first. Tatum isn’t in his prime yet and he’s already doing a lot of work. Mark my words, we will be happy to have him for many years to come

[Somebody]

Does anyone remember last year? Jaylen Brown was on so many CSers hit list because he struggled and the trade proposals were innumerable. In hindsight, it would have looked pretty bad for Danny if he had traded Brown for some of the, and in hindsight I think I can say this without insulting anyone, absolutely stupid trade proposals made last season. Patience by Danny in his young player resulted in Brown now looking like an All-Star and maybe even something better in the years to come.

Tatum is 21. We know he can shoot at a higher efficiency, we have seen it in the 2 years prior. His defense is much better. His passing somewhat better. And he continues to show he can get his shot off from anywhere.

Perhaps we should learn from last year with Brown. Maybe another dose of patience is necessary.

I mean, let's face it, the Celtics weren't built to be a title winner this year. This was a bridge and growth year as we moved from one possible contender to the next. Due to the salary structure and roster creation, there is not a move out there that is going to make the Celtics a real contender this year.

So, have some patience. Enjoy watching the youth grow. Feel good about the great chemistry and the fun these guys are having while playing each other.

Isn't that what this season was supposed to be all about after all?

^this, TP. Let the youngsters go through their growing pains.

This is not the time to let youngsters go through growing pains.

Celts invested 67m per year on Kemba and Hayward.
That's a lot of money to just spend on growing pains.

If the objective is to develop the young players then why give a small PG like Kemba max money?

The Raptors last season gambled on Kawhi.
They went all in when they traded a young Valanciunas for an old Gasol
It paid off, the Raps won a championship.

With the addition of Kemba, Celts must go all in this season.

There's no guarantee the Celts will have a better chance of winning next season.

Give us an example of a superstar piece that we can go all in with right now.

I keep saying it, we do not need a superstar Center.

We just need a someone like Baynes or Horford.

Theis is a good piece to have coming off the bench, but not as the full-time starter.

Celts have the assets to make a trade work.

An example is keeping Theis but trading Kanter, Langford, Poirier, a draft pick, and trade filler for Tristan Thompson.

Some of the Celtic fans here would rather trade Tatum.
That's ridiculous!

Let's just wait for Ainge to pull the trigger.

This is more ridiculous than us proposing trading Tatum for an actual superstar, we're not trading a good role player, a recent lottery pick and another draft pick for an expiring overpaid veteran.

[Jvalin]

Let's hope KAT gets continue to get frustrated in Minnesota.

We need a big that can match up with the likes of Embiid... His beef with Joel also is a recipe for a good rivalry.

I'd gladly trade JT, TimeLord, Theis, Memphis pick and whatever else the Wolves want except our core.

We could offer them both Tatum and Brown plus the Memphis pick and I bet they would still say no.

Get over it people. KAT's contract runs until 2024. The Wolves have zero incentive to trade him. I mean, would you trade KAT if you were the Wolves? Of course you wouldn't! Why would the Wolves trade him then?

[Fafnir]

Let's hope KAT gets continue to get frustrated in Minnesota.

We need a big that can match up with the likes of Embiid... His beef with Joel also is a recipe for a good rivalry.

I'd gladly trade JT, TimeLord, Theis, Memphis pick and whatever else the Wolves want except our core.

We could offer them both Tatum and Brown plus the Memphis pick and I bet they would still say no.

Get over it people. KAT's contract runs until 2024. The Wolves have zero incentive to trade him. I mean, would you trade KAT if you were the Wolves? Of course you wouldn't! Why would the Wolves trade him then?

TP

Even if he demands a trade they would just tell him, you just signed for five years hold your horses.

[Fierce1]

Does anyone remember last year? Jaylen Brown was on so many CSers hit list because he struggled and the trade proposals were innumerable. In hindsight, it would have looked pretty bad for Danny if he had traded Brown for some of the, and in hindsight I think I can say this without insulting anyone, absolutely stupid trade proposals made last season. Patience by Danny in his young player resulted in Brown now looking like an All-Star and maybe even something better in the years to come.

Tatum is 21. We know he can shoot at a higher efficiency, we have seen it in the 2 years prior. His defense is much better. His passing somewhat better. And he continues to show he can get his shot off from anywhere.

Perhaps we should learn from last year with Brown. Maybe another dose of patience is necessary.

I mean, let's face it, the Celtics weren't built to be a title winner this year. This was a bridge and growth year as we moved from one possible contender to the next. Due to the salary structure and roster creation, there is not a move out there that is going to make the Celtics a real contender this year.

So, have some patience. Enjoy watching the youth grow. Feel good about the great chemistry and the fun these guys are having while playing each other.

Isn't that what this season was supposed to be all about after all?

^this, TP. Let the youngsters go through their growing pains.

This is not the time to let youngsters go through growing pains.

Celts invested 67m per year on Kemba and Hayward.
That's a lot of money to just spend on growing pains.

If the objective is to develop the young players then why give a small PG like Kemba max money?

The Raptors last season gambled on Kawhi.
They went all in when they traded a young Valanciunas for an old Gasol
It paid off, the Raps won a championship.

With the addition of Kemba, Celts must go all in this season.

There's no guarantee the Celts will have a better chance of winning next season.

Give us an example of a superstar piece that we can go all in with right now.

I keep saying it, we do not need a superstar Center.

We just need a someone like Baynes or Horford.

Theis is a good piece to have coming off the bench, but not as the full-time starter.

Celts have the assets to make a trade work.

An example is keeping Theis but trading Kanter, Langford, Poirier, a draft pick, and trade filler for Tristan Thompson.

Some of the Celtic fans here would rather trade Tatum.
That's ridiculous!

Let's just wait for Ainge to pull the trigger.

This is more ridiculous than us proposing trading Tatum for an actual superstar, we're not trading a good role player, a recent lottery pick and another draft pick for an expiring overpaid veteran.

Like I said, that's just an example.

I'm only showing you that the Celts can make a trade for a player with a salary of 18.5m.

There's a bigger chance of Tristan Thompson ending up with the Celts than KAT getting traded to Boston.

Again, if and only if the Celts trade for Tristan, the Celts get to keep Tatum, Kemba, Hayward, Brown, and Smart.

There are other options, I'm only showing you one possibility.

For the record, are you saying Danny Ainge will not make a single trade on or before the trade deadline?

[IDreamCeltics]

100% agree that the Celtics need to trade 1 of their 3 forwards.

But what's the argument for trading Tatum over Hayward?

Hayward is older, injury prone, at his ceiling, and there's a 0% chance of him resigning with the Celtics on anything less than a max deal (which would prevent the Celtics from resigning Tatum and other rookies down the road).

Tatum is pretty much as good as Hayward is right now and has so much more room and time to improve.

Why trade the young guy you refused to move for so many other all-stars already?

 

[Roy H.]

Tatum is pretty much as good as Hayward is right now

He’s not particularly close yet. He will get there, but not this season.

[Who]

100% agree that the Celtics need to trade 1 of their 3 forwards.

Why not just trade Smart for a center?

[BitterJim]

Does anyone remember last year? Jaylen Brown was on so many CSers hit list because he struggled and the trade proposals were innumerable. In hindsight, it would have looked pretty bad for Danny if he had traded Brown for some of the, and in hindsight I think I can say this without insulting anyone, absolutely stupid trade proposals made last season. Patience by Danny in his young player resulted in Brown now looking like an All-Star and maybe even something better in the years to come.

Tatum is 21. We know he can shoot at a higher efficiency, we have seen it in the 2 years prior. His defense is much better. His passing somewhat better. And he continues to show he can get his shot off from anywhere.

Perhaps we should learn from last year with Brown. Maybe another dose of patience is necessary.

I mean, let's face it, the Celtics weren't built to be a title winner this year. This was a bridge and growth year as we moved from one possible contender to the next. Due to the salary structure and roster creation, there is not a move out there that is going to make the Celtics a real contender this year.

So, have some patience. Enjoy watching the youth grow. Feel good about the great chemistry and the fun these guys are having while playing each other.

Isn't that what this season was supposed to be all about after all?

^this, TP. Let the youngsters go through their growing pains.

This is not the time to let youngsters go through growing pains.

Celts invested 67m per year on Kemba and Hayward.
That's a lot of money to just spend on growing pains.

If the objective is to develop the young players then why give a small PG like Kemba max money?

The Raptors last season gambled on Kawhi.
They went all in when they traded a young Valanciunas for an old Gasol
It paid off, the Raps won a championship.

With the addition of Kemba, Celts must go all in this season.

There's no guarantee the Celts will have a better chance of winning next season.

Give us an example of a superstar piece that we can go all in with right now.

I keep saying it, we do not need a superstar Center.

We just need a someone like Baynes or Horford.

Theis is a good piece to have coming off the bench, but not as the full-time starter.

Celts have the assets to make a trade work.

An example is keeping Theis but trading Kanter, Langford, Poirier, a draft pick, and trade filler for Tristan Thompson.

Some of the Celtic fans here would rather trade Tatum.
That's ridiculous!

Let's just wait for Ainge to pull the trigger.

This is more ridiculous than us proposing trading Tatum for an actual superstar, we're not trading a good role player, a recent lottery pick and another draft pick for an expiring overpaid veteran.

Like I said, that's just an example.

I'm only showing you that the Celts can make a trade for a player with a salary of 18.5m.

There's a bigger chance of Tristan Thompson ending up with the Celts than KAT getting traded to Boston.

Again, if and only if the Celts trade for Tristan, the Celts get to keep Tatum, Kemba, Hayward, Brown, and Smart.

There are other options, I'm only showing you one possibility.

For the record, are you saying Danny Ainge will not make a single trade on or before the trade deadline?

If the only way for Danny to make a deal is to send out 4+ players and massively overpay for a marginal upgrade, then put me down as a firm "yes"

If a minor deal for a bench shooter is on the table, though, there'there's a good change he makes it

[Somebody]

Does anyone remember last year? Jaylen Brown was on so many CSers hit list because he struggled and the trade proposals were innumerable. In hindsight, it would have looked pretty bad for Danny if he had traded Brown for some of the, and in hindsight I think I can say this without insulting anyone, absolutely stupid trade proposals made last season. Patience by Danny in his young player resulted in Brown now looking like an All-Star and maybe even something better in the years to come.

Tatum is 21. We know he can shoot at a higher efficiency, we have seen it in the 2 years prior. His defense is much better. His passing somewhat better. And he continues to show he can get his shot off from anywhere.

Perhaps we should learn from last year with Brown. Maybe another dose of patience is necessary.

I mean, let's face it, the Celtics weren't built to be a title winner this year. This was a bridge and growth year as we moved from one possible contender to the next. Due to the salary structure and roster creation, there is not a move out there that is going to make the Celtics a real contender this year.

So, have some patience. Enjoy watching the youth grow. Feel good about the great chemistry and the fun these guys are having while playing each other.

Isn't that what this season was supposed to be all about after all?

^this, TP. Let the youngsters go through their growing pains.

This is not the time to let youngsters go through growing pains.

Celts invested 67m per year on Kemba and Hayward.
That's a lot of money to just spend on growing pains.

If the objective is to develop the young players then why give a small PG like Kemba max money?

The Raptors last season gambled on Kawhi.
They went all in when they traded a young Valanciunas for an old Gasol
It paid off, the Raps won a championship.

With the addition of Kemba, Celts must go all in this season.

There's no guarantee the Celts will have a better chance of winning next season.

Give us an example of a superstar piece that we can go all in with right now.

I keep saying it, we do not need a superstar Center.

We just need a someone like Baynes or Horford.

Theis is a good piece to have coming off the bench, but not as the full-time starter.

Celts have the assets to make a trade work.

An example is keeping Theis but trading Kanter, Langford, Poirier, a draft pick, and trade filler for Tristan Thompson.

Some of the Celtic fans here would rather trade Tatum.
That's ridiculous!

Let's just wait for Ainge to pull the trigger.

This is more ridiculous than us proposing trading Tatum for an actual superstar, we're not trading a good role player, a recent lottery pick and another draft pick for an expiring overpaid veteran.

Like I said, that's just an example.

I'm only showing you that the Celts can make a trade for a player with a salary of 18.5m.

There's a bigger chance of Tristan Thompson ending up with the Celts than KAT getting traded to Boston.

Again, if and only if the Celts trade for Tristan, the Celts get to keep Tatum, Kemba, Hayward, Brown, and Smart.

There are other options, I'm only showing you one possibility.

For the record, are you saying Danny Ainge will not make a single trade on or before the trade deadline?

If the only way for Danny to make a deal is to send out 4+ players and massively overpay for a marginal upgrade, then put me down as a firm "yes"

If a minor deal for a bench shooter is on the table, though, there'there's a good change he makes it

^this.