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Wendell Carter Jr
« on: December 10, 2019, 11:43:28 AM »

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I understand that it’s current en vogue to bring up trade ideas or ways for us to get bigs, despite knowing this, I’m still interesting in seeing what you all think of the potential for a WCJ trade and fit.

I understand that a trade scenario is unlikely but looking over the bulls roster and considering their trajectory, I could see and scenario in which we could offer enough to move them on the idea. I think that trade looks something like Memphis 1st, Boston 1st, mil 1st, and Romeo Langford.

Before you murder me, I understand that is a lot to give up. Similarly, I also understand that in any proposed trade scenario you’ve got to try to categorize equity. In any conversation with the bulls I feel as though their GM would say something like - look Wendell is a bit raw, but is also only 20 and is getting nearly a double double in 30 minutes a night while playing solid defense, even if he is getting into fouls trouble. They key here is that he is 20 and showing signs that he will be productive. The other part that we don’t have access to is who he is behind the scenes, something that always complicates this proposals.

Also, would we want this man for that price? Would we want him at all? I don’t even know if that trade incentivizes the bulls to make the move, do I feel as though it’s an overpay? Maybe, but I think we can all agree that I’m order to pry a very young big prospect from a team you have to be willing to give up a bit extra.

Personally, from a timeline perspective I’d love this trade. I don’t see Romeo ever getting a chance on this team with the Jays and Gordo on the team. Maybe the Memphis pick strikes gold, maybe we end up with another wing.

I know it’s unlikely, but a man can dream.
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Re: Wendell Carter Jr
« Reply #1 on: December 10, 2019, 11:46:23 AM »

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The Bulls aren't giving up their best prospect for anything other than Tatum or Brown.
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Re: Wendell Carter Jr
« Reply #2 on: December 10, 2019, 11:53:41 AM »

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I do think he is probably the best young big in the league for us. Jackson is also interesting, but he's a terrible rebounder.

I'm sure Chicago views him as very valuable, but you are putting a lot on the table to get him. They might bite on that.

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« Reply #3 on: December 10, 2019, 11:56:49 AM »

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I like him, but I don't think the Bulls would interested in just picks for him. And he's not worth Tatum or Brown.

I do think he's been ill served by playing for Boylen, want to see more from him.

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I like him, but I don't think the Bulls would interested in just picks for him. And he's not worth Tatum or Brown.

I do think he's been ill served by playing for Boylen, want to see more from him.

Which player on the Bulls hasn't been ill served under Boylen?
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« Reply #5 on: December 10, 2019, 12:02:05 PM »

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I like him, but I don't think the Bulls would interested in just picks for him. And he's not worth Tatum or Brown.

I do think he's been ill served by playing for Boylen, want to see more from him.

Which player on the Bulls hasn't been ill served under Boylen?
Lavine was able to chuck away under Boylen, but other than that...
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I like him, but I don't think the Bulls would interested in just picks for him. And he's not worth Tatum or Brown.

I do think he's been ill served by playing for Boylen, want to see more from him.

Which player on the Bulls hasn't been ill served under Boylen?
Lavine was able to chuck away under Boylen, but other than that...

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« Reply #7 on: December 10, 2019, 12:09:30 PM »

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I like him, but I don't think the Bulls would interested in just picks for him. And he's not worth Tatum or Brown.

I do think he's been ill served by playing for Boylen, want to see more from him.

Which player on the Bulls hasn't been ill served under Boylen?
Lavine was able to chuck away under Boylen, but other than that...

The ultimate "empty calorie" player.

Oh come on.  Everyone knows that Ainge whiffed when picking Marcus over Lavine!   ::)

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« Reply #8 on: December 10, 2019, 12:22:42 PM »

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WCJ isn't getting traded with nothing short of Brown or Tatum.

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« Reply #9 on: December 10, 2019, 01:03:18 PM »

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I wouldn't do this deal, but I appreciate the idea of looking for a guy who is on a rookie contract who will still have more time on that rookie contract after this season.

We are constantly talking about how we won't trade our core 5 - and that's fine - but it gets a lot easier to match contracts if we are going for rookie contract players. Of course they are not totally proven and teams would be reluctant to give those guys up because of team control/potential, but we do have a couple of juicy assets (as well as some less juicy ones) to help entice them.

With our full roster in tact, our bench isn't a complete disaster, but Edwards and Grant don't seem ready for prime time quite yet. While I'd love them to make vast improvements before the playoffs, I am not holding my breath.

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« Reply #10 on: December 10, 2019, 01:08:02 PM »

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I'd do it. It's a heavy price buy Wendell Carter Jr is a very good basketball player. An above average player on both ends who rebounds well. That type of well-rounded play from the center position is hard to come by and very valuable. I am happy to pay a high price when getting such a talented player.

There were rumours a while ago about the Bulls being unhappy with Carter Jr for what seemed like unreasonable / stupid reasons. I am not sure they are as locked in to him on the Bulls as many believe them to be.

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« Reply #11 on: December 10, 2019, 01:10:00 PM »

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Carter seems like a very promising young big but as others have said, just don't see how we match up and get the Bulls to trade him.  Langford plus the Memphis pick is really good value.  Throwing in two more late firsts is nice but doesn't add much really.  From their perspective, why trade a nice young player that you know is good for a prospect and a pick that are both pretty much unknowns.

I feel it is more productive to target more of a veteran who is good but not necessarily great but is still better than anything we have now.  We can dangle Langford and picks for that and maybe through in Poirier for a little more salary.  To me it is counter productive if you start talking about trading Theis or Kanter just to bring back another big.  We need to keep those guys for depth and hopefully bring in someone who is a notch better than either.  Langford and Poirier aren't contributing so are quintessentially "expendable".

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« Reply #12 on: December 10, 2019, 01:53:28 PM »

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Chances are that the Bulls have zero incentive to trade Carter Jr. It would have to be a massive overpay on our part. Not sure whether it would be worth it.

Honest question: Do you guys think Bamba might be available? If so, what would it take to pry him away from Orlando?

For what it's worth, according to Brian Windhorst, Bamba was available on the market prior to the trade deadline last season.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2818669-windhorst-mo-bamba-is-available-in-trades-mavericks-attempted-to-land-rookie
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« Reply #13 on: December 10, 2019, 02:32:19 PM »

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To be in compliance with Celtics Strong trade idea threads, you need to propose giving up at least three of Hayward, Smart, Brown, and the Memphis pick for the scrub player in question.

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« Reply #14 on: December 10, 2019, 02:49:23 PM »

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I'd do it. It's a heavy price buy Wendell Carter Jr is a very good basketball player. An above average player on both ends who rebounds well. That type of well-rounded play from the center position is hard to come by and very valuable. I am happy to pay a high price when getting such a talented player.

There were rumours a while ago about the Bulls being unhappy with Carter Jr for what seemed like unreasonable / stupid reasons. I am not sure they are as locked in to him on the Bulls as many believe them to be.

He's so obviously their best asset, but he's also probably their worst-utilized player. And Jim Boylen seems like the type of guy to screw it up for no reason anyway.

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