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Quote from: Moranis on November 21, 2019, 10:51:00 PMQuote from: DefenseWinsChamps on November 21, 2019, 10:32:18 PMQuote from: Moranis on November 21, 2019, 10:16:42 PMHe is playing much better against the Bucks tonight. With about 6 minutes left he has played 22 minutes, shooting 5 of 11 overall and 3 of 4 from 3 for 15 points and has added 5 rebounds and 4 assists. He passes the eye test if you look at the stat sheet, not if you look at the game. This was back-to-back-to-back plays tonight. Pass it to the wing, cut toward the ball, get in the way of his teammate, stall the offense. Fail to get back all the way on defense, his man back cut him but missed the dunkPass to the wing, stood at the top of the key when the player overthrew the ball, watched as Bledsoe easily went in for a layup. The fact of the matter is that the Blazers were in this game until they put Melo back in.He was -1 in 29 minutes, they lost by 8, so they were -7 in the 19 minutes he was on the bench. In other words, overall they were better when he was in the game then when he was on the bench a couple plays here or there not with standing.Did you watch the game? If not it seems really strange to argue with a guy that did. I also think everyone knows plus minus for a single game is not really meaningful. Gary Trent jr has the best plus minuses for Portland. Illasova was +11, much better than Giannis +5 (despite Giannis having a triple double through 3). Can we vote to ban single game plus minus on this forum?
Quote from: DefenseWinsChamps on November 21, 2019, 10:32:18 PMQuote from: Moranis on November 21, 2019, 10:16:42 PMHe is playing much better against the Bucks tonight. With about 6 minutes left he has played 22 minutes, shooting 5 of 11 overall and 3 of 4 from 3 for 15 points and has added 5 rebounds and 4 assists. He passes the eye test if you look at the stat sheet, not if you look at the game. This was back-to-back-to-back plays tonight. Pass it to the wing, cut toward the ball, get in the way of his teammate, stall the offense. Fail to get back all the way on defense, his man back cut him but missed the dunkPass to the wing, stood at the top of the key when the player overthrew the ball, watched as Bledsoe easily went in for a layup. The fact of the matter is that the Blazers were in this game until they put Melo back in.He was -1 in 29 minutes, they lost by 8, so they were -7 in the 19 minutes he was on the bench. In other words, overall they were better when he was in the game then when he was on the bench a couple plays here or there not with standing.
Quote from: Moranis on November 21, 2019, 10:16:42 PMHe is playing much better against the Bucks tonight. With about 6 minutes left he has played 22 minutes, shooting 5 of 11 overall and 3 of 4 from 3 for 15 points and has added 5 rebounds and 4 assists. He passes the eye test if you look at the stat sheet, not if you look at the game. This was back-to-back-to-back plays tonight. Pass it to the wing, cut toward the ball, get in the way of his teammate, stall the offense. Fail to get back all the way on defense, his man back cut him but missed the dunkPass to the wing, stood at the top of the key when the player overthrew the ball, watched as Bledsoe easily went in for a layup. The fact of the matter is that the Blazers were in this game until they put Melo back in.
He is playing much better against the Bucks tonight. With about 6 minutes left he has played 22 minutes, shooting 5 of 11 overall and 3 of 4 from 3 for 15 points and has added 5 rebounds and 4 assists.
Carmelo is his defense and we need to quantify it somehow.
Say it with me folks, single game plus/minus is meaningless.Single season +/- is barely relevant, it takes nearly two YEARS worth of minutes for it to be predictive folks.
Quote from: DefenseWinsChamps on November 21, 2019, 10:32:18 PMQuote from: Moranis on November 21, 2019, 10:16:42 PMHe is playing much better against the Bucks tonight. With about 6 minutes left he has played 22 minutes, shooting 5 of 11 overall and 3 of 4 from 3 for 15 points and has added 5 rebounds and 4 assists. He passes the eye test if you look at the stat sheet, not if you look at the game. This was back-to-back-to-back plays tonight. Pass it to the wing, cut toward the ball, get in the way of his teammate, stall the offense. Fail to get back all the way on defense, his man back cut him but missed the dunkPass to the wing, stood at the top of the key when the player overthrew the ball, watched as Bledsoe easily went in for a layup. The fact of the matter is that the Blazers were in this game until they put Melo back in.He waved off CJ and tried to iso against freaking Giannis!You cannot be an offensive only PF in the league anymore and have just a 103 ORTG on the amount of usage he took up.Portland other than Carmelo was scoring at over .600 TS%. His offense isn't worth the squeeze anymore.