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Re: Carmelo signing with Portland
« Reply #15 on: November 15, 2019, 08:49:19 AM »

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I don't think fit has anything to do with it. Melo is a bad player now regardless of fit and he has only himself to blame.

Players need to look after themselves and plan for their future as they get older. Adapt their games. Look after their body. Players who do not do so burn out much younger than they should. Like Antoine Walker did. This is what has happened with Melo.

During Melo's last two years in New York, he was the worst defensive forward in the league. This was while he was still scoring 20ppg. Given how bad his defense was, he was not improving his team way back then when still playing well on offense. Players have to become more positionally / fundamentally sound on defense as their legs get older and can cover less distance. Melo has never bothered to work on his defensive fundamentals. This is why he has only himself to blame.

Furthermore, when Melo was younger he was quite effective defensively when defending his opponent below 18 feet in large part due to his superior size and strength but struggled out around the three point line (again lack of defensive fundamentals) ... now the league is three point crazy and plays exactly where Melo has struggled most even during his physical prime and best defensive campaigns.

The next issue is with his offense. His ego is the problem here. He still thinks of himself (or at least did in OKC and HOU) as a 20ppg scorer and an All-Star talent. But he no longer has the legs to get around his opponents and get to the basket for easier hoops and FT attempts from drawing fouls. This leads to increase in contested jump-shots. Melo is one of the best contested jump-shooters in the league but this is the lowest percentage shot in basketball and he is relying on it more and more because his ego has stopped him from transitioning into a more role player friendly role.

Furthermore, in order to create some separation on those contested jump-shots Melo must hold the ball longer in order to size up his defender in order to make his move. This is typical for all scorers as they get older. They no longer have the quicks to get around people so they have to size him up and outsmart them. Same thing for guys like Charles Barkley. It makes Melo even more of a ball-stopper than he was in his prime (just as did with many other old timers such as Barkley).

Lastly, Melo hasn't taken good enough care of his body as he has gotten older. He was heavy in Houston, in OKC and during his final years in New York. He needed to slim down and get in better shape in order to play defense effectively.


Again, these are all self-inflicted issues. I love Melo. I really do. I have been a big fan of his throughout his career ... but his career is over and he only has himself to blame. His unwillingness to prepare for older age, to learn defensive fundamentals, to adapt his offensive game as he got older, to take care of his physical body in order to compete properly. All self inflicted.

Given how far behind the curve Melo was when he last played in the NBA and add to that his time away from the game, it is nearly impossible to see these issues being dealt with effectively enough to allow Melo to be a useful NBA player. I'd love it if he somehow pulled this off and got to finish his career on a better note (as I would have with Antoine Walker) but I doubt it and he only has himself to blame for this.

Great post.  Some players transition nicely to being role players like Vince Carter, while others are really stubborn.  It’s a shame when that happens.

Is Carmelo an NBA level starter? He's starting for the blazers
« Reply #16 on: November 19, 2019, 10:12:27 PM »

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I wonder if that was his conditional demand if he were to be signed he had to start
https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/28115048/trail-blazers-activate-carmelo-anthony-wear-no-00

I know the blazers aren't that deep with wings but man

Re: Is Carmelo an NBA level starter? He's starting for the blazers
« Reply #17 on: November 19, 2019, 10:26:24 PM »

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10 points on 14 shots (second most on the team), 5 turnovers, 5 fouls, 0 assists, and a team worse -20 plus-minus.


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Re: Is Carmelo an NBA level starter? He's starting for the blazers
« Reply #18 on: November 19, 2019, 10:36:03 PM »

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10 points on 14 shots (second most on the team), 5 turnovers, 5 fouls, 0 assists, and a team worse -20 plus-minus.
He pointed on defense more than he closed out on anyone.

Anytime they passed the ball more than once and he was supposed to rotate it was a wide open shot when he was on the court. Just not moving at all on D.

Re: Is Carmelo an NBA level starter? He's starting for the blazers
« Reply #19 on: November 19, 2019, 10:37:22 PM »

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When your competition to start is Nassir Little, Mario Hezonja, and Kent Bazemore, you can walk off the street having not played for over a year and be a better option.  All things considered, I didn't think he played that badly (he was bad, but he hasn't played in a year either). 

Lillard was out, so they were even more short handed.  Need to see how he looks in a couple of weeks to really figure out if he can still contribute to winning basketball.
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Re: Is Carmelo an NBA level starter? He's starting for the blazers
« Reply #20 on: November 19, 2019, 10:41:53 PM »

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When you're cooked you are cooked. He reminded me of Pierce in his last two years with the Clippers.

Re: Is Carmelo an NBA level starter? He's starting for the blazers
« Reply #21 on: November 19, 2019, 11:20:09 PM »

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When your competition to start is Nassir Little, Mario Hezonja, and Kent Bazemore, you can walk off the street having not played for over a year and be a better option.  All things considered, I didn't think he played that badly (he was bad, but he hasn't played in a year either). 

Lillard was out, so they were even more short handed.  Need to see how he looks in a couple of weeks to really figure out if he can still contribute to winning basketball.
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Re: Is Carmelo an NBA level starter? He's starting for the blazers
« Reply #22 on: November 19, 2019, 11:46:57 PM »

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I'm not a betting man but I would lay down serious cash against the Blazers anytime this guy starts. Boy does he suck.

Re: Is Carmelo an NBA level starter? He's starting for the blazers
« Reply #23 on: November 19, 2019, 11:48:30 PM »

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When your competition to start is Nassir Little, Mario Hezonja, and Kent Bazemore, you can walk off the street having not played for over a year and be a better option.  All things considered, I didn't think he played that badly (he was bad, but he hasn't played in a year either). 

Lillard was out, so they were even more short handed.  Need to see how he looks in a couple of weeks to really figure out if he can still contribute to winning basketball.

Those guys are Golden Gods compared to Carmelo

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« Reply #24 on: November 20, 2019, 12:12:47 AM »

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.  Need to see how he looks in a couple of weeks to really figure out if he can still contribute to winning basketball.

I’m not being facetious: when was the last time he played winning basketball?


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Re: Is Carmelo an NBA level starter? He's starting for the blazers
« Reply #25 on: November 20, 2019, 12:44:33 AM »

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The year the knicks beat us in the playoffs. He also was legit good for the nuggets

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« Reply #26 on: November 20, 2019, 12:45:18 AM »

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Re: Is Carmelo an NBA level starter? He's starting for the blazers
« Reply #27 on: November 20, 2019, 02:20:20 AM »

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Melo is not an NBA player (510), let alone starter (150).

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« Reply #28 on: November 20, 2019, 03:46:42 AM »

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Blazers must be very desperate (they should with this record)

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« Reply #29 on: November 20, 2019, 05:53:12 AM »

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Not his best game by far but give him a few weeks.

Not giving up on him.