Celtics (4-1) at Cavaliers (2-4) Game #6 11/5/19

[BitterJim]

Ainge should've just drafted Goga Bitadze.

you sure thats not a type of jock itch ?

Javonte, an undrafted player, got play in the 2nd qtr.

Romeo, a lottery pick, is in Maine.

Bitadze is a Center.
A Center is what the Celts need.
Not that hard to figure out.

You dont draft for need. Besides, romeo was drafted for his ceiling. What they do in their first years is basically a wash.

Ceiling?

Romeo does not have good shooting mechanics.

It's almost as if there are many other things about a player that gives them a high ceiling.

Drafting a shooting guard with shooting problems?

Oh boy yet another hilarious take. Shooting guard position is not only for shooters. Derozan became an all-star FYI.

The point is Romeo was not the best player available.

Alexander-Walker was available.

That's entirely your opinion. Our front office clearly think differently

True.

But right now the front office is not looking good.

It's looking like Ainge drafting JR Giddens!

Are you seriously already comparing him to a bust? Do people even think before they speak?

I'm not saying Romeo is a bust.

What I'm saying is the Celts could have done better.

Sure you aren't. You just happen to bring up a bust when talking about Romeo. I'm saying you're incredibly wrong. It's Robert Upshaw all over again.

Too early to tell.

But best player available at that time was not Romeo.

Alexander-Walker was ranked higher.

Well, ****. If someone was ranked higher, then Ainge definitely made a mistake. When are pre-draft ranking ever wrong? 

Danny is such a bum, he should've drafted Fultz because he was ranked higher!

Ainge is not perfect.

Olynyk instead of Giannis is just one example.

Are you sure? Because Giannis only had 16 points (and 2 DNPs) in his team's first 6 games after being drafted, while Kelly had 49.  And as you already established, the forst 6 games of a player's career defines how good the pick was

It doesnt add up. Based on what I call, the Fierce metrics, Olynyk is the right pick because he scored more than Giannis in their first 6 games. By that same metric though, Tatum was the right pick over Fultz. But then again he also said to pick the higher ranked guy, so Fultz should be the right pick.

Like I said, Ainge is not perfect.

But my question to you is if a person disagrees with your opinion, does that make the person an idiot?

It depends on how bad that person's take is.

So this forum allows name calling and insults?

It certainly allows people to play the victim

[Roy H.]

Back on topic, please.

[mr. dee]

Any win is a good win.  Hayward was special. 

Need to do better defensively in the paint, but that’s mostly personnel.  Theis battled but he’s undersized.  And Love/Thompson are a load on the glass for anybody.

Exactly!

And some here think Tristan Thompson is not worth Poirier, Kanter, and the other junk we have.

I think it's also idiotic to not want a player because he's associated with the Kardashians.

The problem is Thompson cost more than those guys combined. This is the same Thompson who got abused by Bismack Biyombo back in 2016.

[tenn_smoothie]

The most encouraging thing about Hayward tonight is he's doing it on the floor he got hurt on. Thats gotta help him moving forward mentally.

interesting point

[kraidstar]

C's shot 56.5%. That will get it done. Cavs shot 41.7%... pretty amazing it was only a 6-pt game.

[Fierce1]

Ainge should've just drafted Goga Bitadze.

you sure thats not a type of jock itch ?

Javonte, an undrafted player, got play in the 2nd qtr.

Romeo, a lottery pick, is in Maine.

Bitadze is a Center.
A Center is what the Celts need.
Not that hard to figure out.

You dont draft for need. Besides, romeo was drafted for his ceiling. What they do in their first years is basically a wash.

Ceiling?

Romeo does not have good shooting mechanics.

It's almost as if there are many other things about a player that gives them a high ceiling.

Drafting a shooting guard with shooting problems?

Oh boy yet another hilarious take. Shooting guard position is not only for shooters. Derozan became an all-star FYI.

The point is Romeo was not the best player available.

Alexander-Walker was available.

That's entirely your opinion. Our front office clearly think differently

True.

But right now the front office is not looking good.

It's looking like Ainge drafting JR Giddens!

Are you seriously already comparing him to a bust? Do people even think before they speak?

I'm not saying Romeo is a bust.

What I'm saying is the Celts could have done better.

Sure you aren't. You just happen to bring up a bust when talking about Romeo. I'm saying you're incredibly wrong. It's Robert Upshaw all over again.

Too early to tell.

But best player available at that time was not Romeo.

Alexander-Walker was ranked higher.

Well, ****. If someone was ranked higher, then Ainge definitely made a mistake. When are pre-draft ranking ever wrong? 

Danny is such a bum, he should've drafted Fultz because he was ranked higher!

Ainge is not perfect.

Olynyk instead of Giannis is just one example.

Are you sure? Because Giannis only had 16 points (and 2 DNPs) in his team's first 6 games after being drafted, while Kelly had 49.  And as you already established, the forst 6 games of a player's career defines how good the pick was

It doesnt add up. Based on what I call, the Fierce metrics, Olynyk is the right pick because he scored more than Giannis in their first 6 games. By that same metric though, Tatum was the right pick over Fultz. But then again he also said to pick the higher ranked guy, so Fultz should be the right pick.

Like I said, Ainge is not perfect.

But my question to you is if a person disagrees with your opinion, does that make the person an idiot?

It depends on how bad that person's take is.

So this forum allows name calling and insults?

It certainly allows people to play the victim

Victim or not, Ainge is not looking good right now because there are at least 5 players drafted after Romeo that would have helped the Celts right now.

Celts are built to win now.

Ainge didn't sign Kemba 34m per year so that the Celts will be contender 5 years from now.

[Somebody]

I actually think the Celtics should've taken Goga at #14. He's a high floor/decent ceiling guy who can be an All-Star someday.

[Atzar]

Any win is a good win.  Hayward was special. 

Need to do better defensively in the paint, but that’s mostly personnel.  Theis battled but he’s undersized.  And Love/Thompson are a load on the glass for anybody.

Exactly!

And some here think Tristan Thompson is not worth Poirier, Kanter, and the other junk we have.

I think it's also idiotic to not want a player because he's associated with the Kardashians.

How do you plan to swing that?  We’d have to match his $18.5M salary.  Also, I doubt that Cleveland would be interested in our scrap collection as sufficient return. 

[keevsnick]

Ainge should've just drafted Goga Bitadze.

you sure thats not a type of jock itch ?

Javonte, an undrafted player, got play in the 2nd qtr.

Romeo, a lottery pick, is in Maine.

Bitadze is a Center.
A Center is what the Celts need.
Not that hard to figure out.

You dont draft for need. Besides, romeo was drafted for his ceiling. What they do in their first years is basically a wash.

Ceiling?

Romeo does not have good shooting mechanics.

It's almost as if there are many other things about a player that gives them a high ceiling.

Drafting a shooting guard with shooting problems?

Oh boy yet another hilarious take. Shooting guard position is not only for shooters. Derozan became an all-star FYI.

The point is Romeo was not the best player available.

Alexander-Walker was available.

That's entirely your opinion. Our front office clearly think differently

True.

But right now the front office is not looking good.

It's looking like Ainge drafting JR Giddens!

Are you seriously already comparing him to a bust? Do people even think before they speak?

I'm not saying Romeo is a bust.

What I'm saying is the Celts could have done better.

Sure you aren't. You just happen to bring up a bust when talking about Romeo. I'm saying you're incredibly wrong. It's Robert Upshaw all over again.

Too early to tell.

But best player available at that time was not Romeo.

Alexander-Walker was ranked higher.

Well, ****. If someone was ranked higher, then Ainge definitely made a mistake. When are pre-draft ranking ever wrong? 

Danny is such a bum, he should've drafted Fultz because he was ranked higher!

Ainge is not perfect.

Olynyk instead of Giannis is just one example.

Are you sure? Because Giannis only had 16 points (and 2 DNPs) in his team's first 6 games after being drafted, while Kelly had 49.  And as you already established, the forst 6 games of a player's career defines how good the pick was

It doesnt add up. Based on what I call, the Fierce metrics, Olynyk is the right pick because he scored more than Giannis in their first 6 games. By that same metric though, Tatum was the right pick over Fultz. But then again he also said to pick the higher ranked guy, so Fultz should be the right pick.

Like I said, Ainge is not perfect.

But my question to you is if a person disagrees with your opinion, does that make the person an idiot?

It depends on how bad that person's take is.

So this forum allows name calling and insults?

It certainly allows people to play the victim

Victim or not, Ainge is not looking good right now because there are at least 5 players drafted after Romeo that would have helped the Celts right now.

Celts are built to win now.

Ainge didn't sign Kemba 34m per year so that the Celts will be contender 5 years from now.

The Celtics future a 23 year old, and a 21.5 year old. I'd say five years from now is firmly in their window.

[Fierce1]

Any win is a good win.  Hayward was special. 

Need to do better defensively in the paint, but that’s mostly personnel.  Theis battled but he’s undersized.  And Love/Thompson are a load on the glass for anybody.

Exactly!

And some here think Tristan Thompson is not worth Poirier, Kanter, and the other junk we have.

I think it's also idiotic to not want a player because he's associated with the Kardashians.

The problem is Thompson cost more than those guys combined. This is the same Thompson who got abused by Bismack Biyombo back in 2016.

The Cavs are rebuilding to they want draft picks.

Right now Celts still have picks that they can use in a trade.

What I find laughable is not wanting Tristan because they don't like Chloe Kardashian.

[BitterJim]

Nice to see Carsen Edwards finally find his stroke in a real game. Hopefully that confidence carries over, because we need a shooter like that off the bench

I'm thinking he pushes Wanamaker out of the rotation by January an becomes a real spark plug off the bench for us. I know he won't have a Smart-level impact, but I'd love to see his hustle and shooting be able to spark runs like Smart's hustle and defense

[mr. dee]

Right now Goga is starting for the Pacers and has played 31 minutes.

The game is going to overtime and Goga has 6 points, 10 rebounds, and 3 blocks.

Again, the point is Ainge could have done better.

This is nothing but a short sighted take. Wait for at least 5 years before telling people that Ainge should have picked better. These are the same old takes when the Celtics took guys like Bradley.

And where is Bradley now?

Ainge even traded Bradley because he didn't want Bradley long term.

Bradley went on to average 16 PPG at one point and 2x All-Defensive teamer. Danny would have retained Bradley if he wasn't that redundant and expensive.  Look how productive he is on the Lakers now.

If you're expecting a bonafide All-Star on late lottery to late 1st, then sorry to bust your bubble. Not everyone is gonna turn into Giannis or Kawhi. Romeo is still a good gamble, whether he is a bust or not. People forget he was projected top 5 in mocks before he hurt his hands.

[RockinRyA]

Right now Goga is starting for the Pacers and has played 31 minutes.

The game is going to overtime and Goga has 6 points, 10 rebounds, and 3 blocks.

Again, the point is Ainge could have done better.

This is nothing but a short sighted take. Wait for at least 5 years before telling people that Ainge should have picked better. These are the same old takes when the Celtics took guys like Bradley.

Didn't you hear, you are defined by what you do in your first few games. The Magic did a poor job of drafting Dwight Howard over Ben Gordon and Emeka Okafor

[tenn_smoothie]

Any win is a good win.  Hayward was special. 

Need to do better defensively in the paint, but that’s mostly personnel.  Theis battled but he’s undersized.  And Love/Thompson are a load on the glass for anybody.

Exactly!

And some here think Tristan Thompson is not worth Poirier, Kanter, and the other junk we have.

I think it's also idiotic to not want a player because he's associated with the Kardashians.

The problem is Thompson cost more than those guys combined. This is the same Thompson who got abused by Bismack Biyombo back in 2016.

Thompson's big problem is being inconsistent - he is great some nights and the invisible man on others.

Could be the reason for inconsistency and being associated with the superficial Kardashians is the same - lack of character.

[keevsnick]

Any win is a good win.  Hayward was special. 

Need to do better defensively in the paint, but that’s mostly personnel.  Theis battled but he’s undersized.  And Love/Thompson are a load on the glass for anybody.

Exactly!

And some here think Tristan Thompson is not worth Poirier, Kanter, and the other junk we have.

I think it's also idiotic to not want a player because he's associated with the Kardashians.

How do you plan to swing that?  We’d have to match his $18.5M salary.  Also, I doubt that Cleveland would be interested in our scrap collection as sufficient return.

It would have to Kanter+Theis+Romeo+one other guy. As has been covered extensively in other threads 4 for 1 trade rarely happen midseason.