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Re: The Official Tremont Waters will be an All-Star Thread
« Reply #15 on: November 01, 2019, 07:34:11 AM »

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Trading multiple players away to clear the runway for your two-way contract PG is certainly an interesting approach....

You know they could just assign him to the main team and play him versus the Knicks Friday right?

Seriously, if the Celtics prefer Waters over Wanamaker, they can just cut him whenever. He’s on a one-year minimum deal.  They don’t need to make a trade to create room.

That's a very harsh thing to do.

Celts wanted Wanamaker back and Wanamaker turned down more money abroad to be with the Celts.
So I think cutting Wanamaker will not look good for the Celtic front office.

Besides, Wanamaker can be used as trade filler when the time comes.
I really don't think DA particularly cares about whether it's harsh or not.

He also doesn't really hold much value as trade filler, considering he's a minimum salary guy who isn't very good

I think it matters if Celts will be trading multiple players for one.

Wanamaker's salary could end up making salaries match.

Wanamaker can also reject any trade because of his contract status.  He wasn’t signed to be a trade piece.  If the Celtics wanted him to be tradeable, they would have negotiated a deal that included non-guaranteed money next year, giving him a little more guaranteed this year to make up for it, or signed someone else to fill the role that he is, because that player would have been tradeable.  Neither happened, and players in his situation rarely if ever acquiesce to giving up their early Bird rights to facilitate a trade.

Daniel Theis is tradable because the Celtics gave him extra money ($5 million instead of the $2-3 million he might have gotten elsewhere) to get him to agree to a non-guaranteed second year, in essence buying out his right to veto a trade.  This did not happen with Wanamaker, and so you should assume he will not he traded.

Or it's just Wanamaker's way of saying ask permission first before you trade me.

Re: The Official Tremont Waters will be an All-Star Thread
« Reply #16 on: November 01, 2019, 08:00:55 AM »

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We got enough rookies. We need some veterans on the team.
Wanamaker is not going anywhere for now.

Re: The Official Tremont Waters will be an All-Star Thread
« Reply #17 on: November 01, 2019, 08:22:42 AM »

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Trading multiple players away to clear the runway for your two-way contract PG is certainly an interesting approach....

You know they could just assign him to the main team and play him versus the Knicks Friday right?

Seriously, if the Celtics prefer Waters over Wanamaker, they can just cut him whenever. He’s on a one-year minimum deal.  They don’t need to make a trade to create room.

That's a very harsh thing to do.

Celts wanted Wanamaker back and Wanamaker turned down more money abroad to be with the Celts.
So I think cutting Wanamaker will not look good for the Celtic front office.

Besides, Wanamaker can be used as trade filler when the time comes.
I really don't think DA particularly cares about whether it's harsh or not.

He also doesn't really hold much value as trade filler, considering he's a minimum salary guy who isn't very good

I think it matters if Celts will be trading multiple players for one.

Wanamaker's salary could end up making salaries match.

Wanamaker can also reject any trade because of his contract status.  He wasn’t signed to be a trade piece.  If the Celtics wanted him to be tradeable, they would have negotiated a deal that included non-guaranteed money next year, giving him a little more guaranteed this year to make up for it, or signed someone else to fill the role that he is, because that player would have been tradeable.  Neither happened, and players in his situation rarely if ever acquiesce to giving up their early Bird rights to facilitate a trade.

Daniel Theis is tradable because the Celtics gave him extra money ($5 million instead of the $2-3 million he might have gotten elsewhere) to get him to agree to a non-guaranteed second year, in essence buying out his right to veto a trade.  This did not happen with Wanamaker, and so you should assume he will not he traded.

Or it's just Wanamaker's way of saying ask permission first before you trade me.

It really isn’t, but keep imagining whatever you want.

If the Celtics had wanted to sign a backup point guard as a trade piece, they could have signed someone in free agency who would have a) counted more as outgoing salary, and b) could not have vetoed a trade, or they could have paid Wanamaker more to have bought out his veto rights.  None of this happened.  Meanwhile, dozens of players annually have veto rights based on signing one-year deals with Early Bird or Bird rights, and maybe one every other season gets traded.

The reason is simple: even if the Celtics don’t want him, they can sign-and-trade him over the summer.  In a year when very few teams have cap room, that is quite valuable.  For instance, if the Celtics want to trade for someone, Wanamaker could make himself available as a Keith Bogans-like contract, for 3 years, with only the first guaranteed, at a salary of maybe 4-5x the minimum that he’s otherwise getting, because of Early Bird rights.  If Wanamaker is instead traded this season, he loses those rights, and thus a lot of negotiating power this summer, because then he’s a restricted free agent with only Non-Bird rights.

Re: The Official Tremont Waters will be an All-Star Thread
« Reply #18 on: November 01, 2019, 08:29:06 AM »

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Trading multiple players away to clear the runway for your two-way contract PG is certainly an interesting approach....

You know they could just assign him to the main team and play him versus the Knicks Friday right?

Seriously, if the Celtics prefer Waters over Wanamaker, they can just cut him whenever. He’s on a one-year minimum deal.  They don’t need to make a trade to create room.

That's a very harsh thing to do.

Celts wanted Wanamaker back and Wanamaker turned down more money abroad to be with the Celts.
So I think cutting Wanamaker will not look good for the Celtic front office.

Besides, Wanamaker can be used as trade filler when the time comes.
I really don't think DA particularly cares about whether it's harsh or not.

He also doesn't really hold much value as trade filler, considering he's a minimum salary guy who isn't very good

I think it matters if Celts will be trading multiple players for one.

Wanamaker's salary could end up making salaries match.

Wanamaker can also reject any trade because of his contract status.  He wasn’t signed to be a trade piece.  If the Celtics wanted him to be tradeable, they would have negotiated a deal that included non-guaranteed money next year, giving him a little more guaranteed this year to make up for it, or signed someone else to fill the role that he is, because that player would have been tradeable.  Neither happened, and players in his situation rarely if ever acquiesce to giving up their early Bird rights to facilitate a trade.

Daniel Theis is tradable because the Celtics gave him extra money ($5 million instead of the $2-3 million he might have gotten elsewhere) to get him to agree to a non-guaranteed second year, in essence buying out his right to veto a trade.  This did not happen with Wanamaker, and so you should assume he will not he traded.

Or it's just Wanamaker's way of saying ask permission first before you trade me.

It really isn’t, but keep imagining whatever you want.

If the Celtics had wanted to sign a backup point guard as a trade piece, they could have signed someone in free agency who would have a) counted more as outgoing salary, and b) could not have vetoed a trade, or they could have paid Wanamaker more to have bought out his veto rights.  None of this happened.  Meanwhile, dozens of players annually have veto rights based on signing one-year deals with Early Bird or Bird rights, and maybe one every other season gets traded.

The reason is simple: even if the Celtics don’t want him, they can sign-and-trade him over the summer.  In a year when very few teams have cap room, that is quite valuable.  For instance, if the Celtics want to trade for someone, Wanamaker could make himself available as a Keith Bogans-like contract, for 3 years, with only the first guaranteed, at a salary of maybe 4-5x the minimum that he’s otherwise getting, because of Early Bird rights.  If Wanamaker is instead traded this season, he loses those rights, and thus a lot of negotiating power this summer, because then he’s a restricted free agent with only Non-Bird rights.

I agree that Theis is the one who was signed for the purpose being traded traded at some point.

It's fair to give Wanamaker until December or January to prove he's worth keeping.

All I'm saying is it's possible Brad also gets included in a trade.

Re: The Official Tremont Waters will be an All-Star Thread
« Reply #19 on: November 01, 2019, 02:13:20 PM »

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I'm extremely high on Waters and think he needs to be called up to the main team. He is too good to be in the G-League. I would like to move Wannamaker and make room for Edwards and Waters.

Re: The Official Tremont Waters will be an All-Star Thread
« Reply #20 on: November 01, 2019, 02:16:09 PM »

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He is so much more talent  than Wannamaker.


Waters needs more minutes!
« Reply #21 on: November 25, 2019, 10:02:35 PM »

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He needs to be in the rotation! Kid looks calm out there and makes a lot of good decisions. Give him minuuuuuutes!!!11!!1!! Who’s with me?
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Re: Waters needs more minutes!
« Reply #22 on: November 25, 2019, 10:05:34 PM »

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He needs to be in the rotation! Kid looks calm out there and makes a lot of good decisions. Give him minuuuuuutes!!!11!!1!! Who’s with me?

AMEN! ;D

Re: The Official Tremont Waters will be an All-Star Thread
« Reply #23 on: November 25, 2019, 10:09:26 PM »

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Ping.
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Re: Waters needs more minutes!
« Reply #24 on: November 25, 2019, 10:10:20 PM »

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A preview of things to come.

Tremont is really looking like Van Vleet.

Re: Waters needs more minutes!
« Reply #25 on: November 25, 2019, 10:11:44 PM »

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What I like was how far Waters can shoot.

I mean he can shoot it really deep, like Steph Curry.

Re: Waters needs more minutes!
« Reply #26 on: November 25, 2019, 10:13:29 PM »

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It'll be a difficult balance with him, since being on a two-way contract means 1. he can only be with the pro team for a limited number of days (games or practices) and 2. he can't play in the playoffs, so we need to figure things out without him

That said, he should use every single one of his days with the team, and get some playing time during that. If Kemba or Smart get hurt, I want Waters in the rotation until they get back
I'm bitter.

Re: Waters needs more minutes!
« Reply #27 on: November 25, 2019, 10:14:23 PM »

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Patience we will get him in the main roster next year, along with Tacko and Romeo.

Re: Waters needs more minutes!
« Reply #28 on: November 25, 2019, 10:14:25 PM »

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He is  a stud!!!!

Re: Waters needs more minutes!
« Reply #29 on: November 25, 2019, 10:15:44 PM »

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They need to cut Wanamaker and sign him. He is a much better back up point guard