Brad Stevens is clueless

[dannyboy35]

  I’m not a fan of Brad but Jackson would be the worst coach for any team. He could be absolutely brilliant but he is so outspoken against gay people and everybody has a gay relative, friend, acquaintance etc. and likely more than half of those people care about them. Never gonna work in a locker room. The words are out and you know how he feels and there’s no way to bring a whole team together with that divisiveness in my opinion. There’s no way I’d put up with a guy trying to preach religion to me either. I admittedly enjoy that he’d like a coaching job, is definitely qualified ( as far as knowledge) yet can’t get a job. On the flip side, gotta hear him commentate.

[seancally]

I haven’t understood the calls for Brad’s head because he doesn’t yell or scream enough.

Yelling isn’t coaching. It’s just yelling. Some people just need the drama I guess? I’ve had a couple of girlfriends like that. You might get a make up call from a ref. Might, but that’s about it.

As a player I despised the coaches that got up in my face and screamed. They literally had nothing constructive to say. Coach me, or don’t, screaming doesn’t help anything. I know I messed up. The team knows, half the people in the stands know. How do we -WE- correct the mistake? That is what a coach that’s paying attention and values his players does.

Brad absolutely does that. He pays attention and he values his players. He’s letting them figure it out, offers constructive criticism when needed and pays attention to what is going on in the game and evaluating his next move. Screaming is playing checkers and Brad plays chess.  How many sideline shots have you seen where a coach is screaming and the player is not making eye contact? You might think they’re ashamed of letting the team down, but in reality they are tuning that coach out.

 Plenty of coaches have something constructive to say. To correct the play or boost the player’s confidence. The screamers do not. Plenty of drama, not much substance. I for one am glad Brad isn’t a screamer.

Feel free to Continue to question his use of timeouts though.

  I don’t need Brad to be a yeller or screamer. I have t heard many people say that but I may have missed it. Just, man up and delegate roles and  for ME- not bench Jaylen or Hayward in favor of Smart. I think Tatum needs to be reigned in. I don’t have confidence in Brad to give that message or hold him to it if he does but I’m hoping the players can take it upon themselves I guess.

I also think that because Brad isn't visibly intense on the sidelines, mostly, people assume he's some weak, timid person behind the scenes. That's also not the case. This idea that Brad won't call out his players, or just lets his guys walk all over him, is patently false. Go read Lowe or MacMullen on Stevens and you'll find anecdotes of players talking about Brad ripping them a new one in practice. He benched Tatum either last season or the year prior for taking some idiotic shot and then loafing down the court, if I remember correctly. He's careful with his words. All that matters, as has been pointed out on these forums before.

[liam]

For all the so called Celtics fans who don't like Stevens and want him fired, here is a reality check for you. He would get hired in about one second. Every major college that doesn't have a big time locked in coach would be all over him. Pretty much every team in the league would go for him outside of about 5. Everyone knows what a great coach he is.

The Celtics would hire some NBA retread. Then the same guys in this thread and the OP would start complaining about him and every little move he makes and then realize they were idiots and Stevens was one of the best coaches in the NBA.

I think some people last year were suggesting Stan Van Gundy, Tom Thibodeau or Tyronn Lue as coaches that would do a better job than Brad. Basically coaches that are more animated and engage in more sideline histrionics than Brad does. Basically yell at the players the way we yell at them from our couches when they **** up. It would make a more interesting viewing experience I suppose.

Last year I actually saw a real, live person suggest that we fire Stevens and hire Mark Jackson.

If Mark Jackson was the Celtics coach I would scream all season long. All of my posts would be in all caps until he was ultimately fired! NOT A FAN!

[Scottiej23]

For all the so called Celtics fans who don't like Stevens and want him fired, here is a reality check for you. He would get hired in about one second. Every major college that doesn't have a big time locked in coach would be all over him. Pretty much every team in the league would go for him outside of about 5. Everyone knows what a great coach he is.

The Celtics would hire some NBA retread. Then the same guys in this thread and the OP would start complaining about him and every little move he makes and then realize they were idiots and Stevens was one of the best coaches in the NBA.

I think some people last year were suggesting Stan Van Gundy, Tom Thibodeau or Tyronn Lue as coaches that would do a better job than Brad. Basically coaches that are more animated and engage in more sideline histrionics than Brad does. Basically yell at the players the way we yell at them from our couches when they **** up. It would make a more interesting viewing experience I suppose.

Last year I actually saw a real, live person suggest that we fire Stevens and hire Mark Jackson.

To be fair, there was a 98% chance that that person was actually Mark Jackson.

[liam]

For all the so called Celtics fans who don't like Stevens and want him fired, here is a reality check for you. He would get hired in about one second. Every major college that doesn't have a big time locked in coach would be all over him. Pretty much every team in the league would go for him outside of about 5. Everyone knows what a great coach he is.

The Celtics would hire some NBA retread. Then the same guys in this thread and the OP would start complaining about him and every little move he makes and then realize they were idiots and Stevens was one of the best coaches in the NBA.

I think some people last year were suggesting Stan Van Gundy, Tom Thibodeau or Tyronn Lue as coaches that would do a better job than Brad. Basically coaches that are more animated and engage in more sideline histrionics than Brad does. Basically yell at the players the way we yell at them from our couches when they **** up. It would make a more interesting viewing experience I suppose.

Last year I actually saw a real, live person suggest that we fire Stevens and hire Mark Jackson.

To be fair, there was a 98% chance that that person was actually Mark Jackson.

TP

[mmmmm]

This team cannot afford his experimentation with lineups and his constant substitutions. Nobody can get into a rhythm. I'm very surprised the players pulled off what they did last night, but i don't credit Stevens for any of that. He pulls players in and out every 2 to 3 minutes, which is absolutely absurd. I've been watching this sport for a long time and i don't recall any other coach doing this. His offense is stale and predictable and his love of small ball will cost this team. There is no reason why he should be playing Grant Williams at center, even though Grant played admirably. I have zero confidence in Stevens at this point. I am trying very hard to figure out what he actually does well as a coach but i'm coming up empty. Would much rather have just about any other coach at this point and i'm not even kidding. He's been the same exact coach for the past however many years. No improvements. None.

I think he does a good job figuring out what guys do well offensively.  I'm with you 100% on his lineup management though.  His teams consistently play their best when a couple of guys are hurt and he's forced to just play the same players big minutes.  His baseline egalitarian "everyone plays 24 minutes" approach can be maddening when he's coolering my fantasy players on a nightly basis.   

I really hope that we see bigger minutes for Timelord, JB, Tatum, G. Williams, and Edwards this season and he doesn't try to force-feed minutes to our injury-prone/veteran roleplayers. 

I'm not a big fan of Stevens, but this is a rather bizarre reason to be upset with him.  Why should Stevens care about what is best for your fantasy team?  He's trying to do what he thinks is best for the team that matters, the Celtics.

Or are you telling us you're more concerned about your fantasy team than the Celtics?

Oh ffs the guy just spent an entire season force-feeding a hobbled Gordon Hayward minutes.  Is that what was "best for the team?"  You think burying Jaylen Brown in a contract year was what was "best for the team?"  I think those decisions destroyed team chemistry and ultimately defined the season.

While likeable - Hayward just isn't as good as Jaylen Brown.

If Stevens 'buried' Jaylen, he didn't do it in favor of Hayward, given that they ended up playing not only similar minutes, but mostly together.   Brown and Hayward played more minutes on the floor with each other than with any of their other teammates.

[DefenseWinsChamps]

Brad Stevens went from being a genius and one of the best coaches in the NBA to being "clueless" in the space of 15 months.

JJ Reddick doesn't suddenly because a terrible shooter because he missed a few threes.

[KG Living Legend]

Brad Stevens went from being a genius and one of the best coaches in the NBA to being "clueless" in the space of 15 months.

JJ Reddick doesn't suddenly because a terrible shooter because he missed a few threes.

 I'm going with Kyrie is clueless.

[gouki88]

This team cannot afford his experimentation with lineups and his constant substitutions. Nobody can get into a rhythm. I'm very surprised the players pulled off what they did last night, but i don't credit Stevens for any of that. He pulls players in and out every 2 to 3 minutes, which is absolutely absurd. I've been watching this sport for a long time and i don't recall any other coach doing this. His offense is stale and predictable and his love of small ball will cost this team. There is no reason why he should be playing Grant Williams at center, even though Grant played admirably. I have zero confidence in Stevens at this point. I am trying very hard to figure out what he actually does well as a coach but i'm coming up empty. Would much rather have just about any other coach at this point and i'm not even kidding. He's been the same exact coach for the past however many years. No improvements. None.

I think he does a good job figuring out what guys do well offensively.  I'm with you 100% on his lineup management though.  His teams consistently play their best when a couple of guys are hurt and he's forced to just play the same players big minutes.  His baseline egalitarian "everyone plays 24 minutes" approach can be maddening when he's coolering my fantasy players on a nightly basis.   

I really hope that we see bigger minutes for Timelord, JB, Tatum, G. Williams, and Edwards this season and he doesn't try to force-feed minutes to our injury-prone/veteran roleplayers. 

I'm not a big fan of Stevens, but this is a rather bizarre reason to be upset with him.  Why should Stevens care about what is best for your fantasy team?  He's trying to do what he thinks is best for the team that matters, the Celtics.

Or are you telling us you're more concerned about your fantasy team than the Celtics?

Oh ffs the guy just spent an entire season force-feeding a hobbled Gordon Hayward minutes.  Is that what was "best for the team?"  You think burying Jaylen Brown in a contract year was what was "best for the team?"  I think those decisions destroyed team chemistry and ultimately defined the season.

While likeable - Hayward just isn't as good as Jaylen Brown.

If Stevens 'buried' Jaylen, he didn't do it in favor of Hayward, given that they ended up playing not only similar minutes, but mostly together.   Brown and Hayward played more minutes on the floor with each other than with any of their other teammates.

Good luck

[Ogaju]

For all the so called Celtics fans who don't like Stevens and want him fired, here is a reality check for you. He would get hired in about one second. Every major college that doesn't have a big time locked in coach would be all over him. Pretty much every team in the league would go for him outside of about 5. Everyone knows what a great coach he is.

The Celtics would hire some NBA retread. Then the same guys in this thread and the OP would start complaining about him and every little move he makes and then realize they were idiots and Stevens was one of the best coaches in the NBA.

I think some people last year were suggesting Stan Van Gundy, Tom Thibodeau or Tyronn Lue as coaches that would do a better job than Brad. Basically coaches that are more animated and engage in more sideline histrionics than Brad does. Basically yell at the players the way we yell at them from our couches when they **** up. It would make a more interesting viewing experience I suppose.

Last year I actually saw a real, live person suggest that we fire Stevens and hire Mark Jackson.

lol real live person?? As opposed to what, a poster on the internets?

[gpap]

Brad needs to change his philosophy of letting guys chuck threes and develop more of an interior game. Otherwise, pack your stuff and give us a coach who can lead the team in the right direction.

This isn’t Butler.

[Rondo9]

And we are back to extreme pessimism.

[Ogaju]

Brad needs to change his philosophy of letting guys chuck threes and develop more of an interior game. Otherwise, pack your stuff and give us a coach who can lead the team in the right direction.

This isn’t Butler.

I will not be surprised if he heads back to college.

[gpap]

And we are back to extreme pessimism.

You watch that half at all?

[trickybilly]

Man, TPs all round for some brutal old threads that have aged badly.