One of the most classless Kyrie stories I’ve heard...

[footey]

I get the feeling Kyrie feels very lost in the world. He doesn't know how he's supposed to be, doesn't know what or who to trust, and celebrity has just made him more isolated, generally, so he doesn't know how to reach out and doesn't know how to have the kind of interactions Gorman is talking about.

I don't meant that as an excuse but that is how I feel about him.

Excellent point. There are people who simply don’t experience the world the same way most of us do and they often find social interactions difficult. He isn’t a good leader, but I would cut him some slack on the social interactions some people just struggle is social situations.

I see your points, but it’s just basic manners to say “hi” back to someone like Gorman.  You’d have to be a real jerk to respond the way Gorman describes.

But that’s my point. People like this aren’t jerks, they really don’t understand the social cues and rules that come naturally to the rest of us. Imagine moving to a foreign country like Japan and having no clue about what to do. You don’t know when to bow or how deeply. You don’t know that it’s very rude to walk and eat at the same time or to put someone’s business card in you wallet or pocket. And people won’t explain it to you they just dismiss you as a jerk or as odd. That’s the entire world for some people. Now I don’t know Kyrie, maybe he does know and is really a jerk. I just try to have lots of sympathy and understanding for those who struggle with social interactions.

So Kyrie is excused because he was born in Australia?

[Roy H.]

I get the feeling Kyrie feels very lost in the world. He doesn't know how he's supposed to be, doesn't know what or who to trust, and celebrity has just made him more isolated, generally, so he doesn't know how to reach out and doesn't know how to have the kind of interactions Gorman is talking about.

I don't meant that as an excuse but that is how I feel about him.

Excellent point. There are people who simply don’t experience the world the same way most of us do and they often find social interactions difficult. He isn’t a good leader, but I would cut him some slack on the social interactions some people just struggle is social situations.

I see your points, but it’s just basic manners to say “hi” back to someone like Gorman.  You’d have to be a real jerk to respond the way Gorman describes.

But that’s my point. People like this aren’t jerks, they really don’t understand the social cues and rules that come naturally to the rest of us. Imagine moving to a foreign country like Japan and having no clue about what to do. You don’t know when to bow or how deeply. You don’t know that it’s very rude to walk and eat at the same time or to put someone’s business card in you wallet or pocket. And people won’t explain it to you they just dismiss you as a jerk or as odd. That’s the entire world for some people. Now I don’t know Kyrie, maybe he does know and is really a jerk. I just try to have lots of sympathy and understanding for those who struggle with social interactions.

And yet, this is the guy always holding court with the out of town media, etc. He doesn’t strike me as being debilitated by social anxiety to the point of not being able to acknowledge Gorman.

[mef730]

From my understanding Mike spends a good amount of time around the players and is well liked by them. Maybe I'm drawing too much from his game time stories?

I'm drawing a blank is this the first time Mike has even come close to bringing a negative thing up about a player that wasn't in good fun?

How do you not acknowledge someone you work and travel with 100+ days a year?

Has anyone worked with someone for 2 years and they never acknowledged your greetings?

Why do I care to wrap my head around this? (Please don't answer this)

I met Mike Gorman a few years ago and had a few minutes to talk with him. I know that he has a reputation of being a really nice guy, highly accessible and incredibly friendly to everyone.

After meeting him, I'd say that, well, he's a really nice guy, highly accessible and incredibly friendly to everyone.

Kyrie is an a*s.

Mike

[dannyboy35]

From my understanding Mike spends a good amount of time around the players and is well liked by them. Maybe I'm drawing too much from his game time stories?

I'm drawing a blank is this the first time Mike has even come close to bringing a negative thing up about a player that wasn't in good fun?

How do you not acknowledge someone you work and travel with 100+ days a year?

Has anyone worked with someone for 2 years and they never acknowledged your greetings?

Why do I care to wrap my head around this? (Please don't answer this)

  I’ve worked with a few people like this through the years. They’re simply jerks. Not unlike Kyrie, other people would let them get away with utter disrespect to other people because they were very good at their job. But in each case, nearly everybody couldn’t stand their presence. A couple memories I had in two instances was the same situation. Everybody was hoping this person didn’t show up to the Christmas party. One didn’t and everyone was pumped when he decided to go somewhere else and the 2nd time the person confirmed to come and e ergo e took a deep breath and wondered what crazy stuff he’d say or person he’d passively put down. Some people are just jerks.

[kraidstar]

I get the feeling Kyrie feels very lost in the world. He doesn't know how he's supposed to be, doesn't know what or who to trust, and celebrity has just made him more isolated, generally, so he doesn't know how to reach out and doesn't know how to have the kind of interactions Gorman is talking about.

I don't meant that as an excuse but that is how I feel about him.

Excellent point. There are people who simply don’t experience the world the same way most of us do and they often find social interactions difficult. He isn’t a good leader, but I would cut him some slack on the social interactions some people just struggle is social situations.

I see your points, but it’s just basic manners to say “hi” back to someone like Gorman.  You’d have to be a real jerk to respond the way Gorman describes.

But that’s my point. People like this aren’t jerks, they really don’t understand the social cues and rules that come naturally to the rest of us. Imagine moving to a foreign country like Japan and having no clue about what to do. You don’t know when to bow or how deeply. You don’t know that it’s very rude to walk and eat at the same time or to put someone’s business card in you wallet or pocket. And people won’t explain it to you they just dismiss you as a jerk or as odd. That’s the entire world for some people. Now I don’t know Kyrie, maybe he does know and is really a jerk. I just try to have lots of sympathy and understanding for those who struggle with social interactions.

And yet, this is the guy always holding court with the out of town media, etc. He doesn’t strike me as being debilitated by social anxiety to the point of not being able to acknowledge Gorman.

This right here.

The guy clearly knows how to run his mouth when he wants to.

And I'm sorry, I get that everyone is not a social butterfly. I am pretty shy/withdrawn sometimes. But I also have empathy and understand how it makes people feel when you ignore them. So I try my best even when I don't really feel like talking. There is a difference between being quiet and aloof/arrogant. And this sounds a lot more like aloof/arrogant.

[shut_the_gate]

For all the stuff I’ve heard now it seems to me Kyrie might actually be mildly Autistic. The strange lack of social interaction
, his known love of always dribbling the ball his whole life (repetitive behaviour), him being very impulsive (I’m coming back), unaware of others emotions.

[bellerephon]

I get the feeling Kyrie feels very lost in the world. He doesn't know how he's supposed to be, doesn't know what or who to trust, and celebrity has just made him more isolated, generally, so he doesn't know how to reach out and doesn't know how to have the kind of interactions Gorman is talking about.

I don't meant that as an excuse but that is how I feel about him.

Excellent point. There are people who simply don’t experience the world the same way most of us do and they often find social interactions difficult. He isn’t a good leader, but I would cut him some slack on the social interactions some people just struggle is social situations.

I see your points, but it’s just basic manners to say “hi” back to someone like Gorman.  You’d have to be a real jerk to respond the way Gorman describes.

But that’s my point. People like this aren’t jerks, they really don’t understand the social cues and rules that come naturally to the rest of us. Imagine moving to a foreign country like Japan and having no clue about what to do. You don’t know when to bow or how deeply. You don’t know that it’s very rude to walk and eat at the same time or to put someone’s business card in you wallet or pocket. And people won’t explain it to you they just dismiss you as a jerk or as odd. That’s the entire world for some people. Now I don’t know Kyrie, maybe he does know and is really a jerk. I just try to have lots of sympathy and understanding for those who struggle with social interactions.

And yet, this is the guy always holding court with the out of town media, etc. He doesn’t strike me as being debilitated by social anxiety to the point of not being able to acknowledge Gorman.

This right here.

The guy clearly knows how to run his mouth when he wants to.

And I'm sorry, I get that everyone is not a social butterfly. I am pretty shy/withdrawn sometimes. But I also have empathy and understand how it makes people feel when you ignore them. So I try my best even when I don't really feel like talking. There is a difference between being quiet and aloof/arrogant. And this sounds a lot more like aloof/arrogant.

This sort of thing is actually quite common, it’s not shyness or aloofness, they simply don’t process social cues like most people. Often they don’t even understand that others don’t like how they are behaving. They can talk and interact in some settings but be totally inept in others. It’s hard for us too because we don’t understand them.

[kraidstar]

I get the feeling Kyrie feels very lost in the world. He doesn't know how he's supposed to be, doesn't know what or who to trust, and celebrity has just made him more isolated, generally, so he doesn't know how to reach out and doesn't know how to have the kind of interactions Gorman is talking about.

I don't meant that as an excuse but that is how I feel about him.

Excellent point. There are people who simply don’t experience the world the same way most of us do and they often find social interactions difficult. He isn’t a good leader, but I would cut him some slack on the social interactions some people just struggle is social situations.

I see your points, but it’s just basic manners to say “hi” back to someone like Gorman.  You’d have to be a real jerk to respond the way Gorman describes.

But that’s my point. People like this aren’t jerks, they really don’t understand the social cues and rules that come naturally to the rest of us. Imagine moving to a foreign country like Japan and having no clue about what to do. You don’t know when to bow or how deeply. You don’t know that it’s very rude to walk and eat at the same time or to put someone’s business card in you wallet or pocket. And people won’t explain it to you they just dismiss you as a jerk or as odd. That’s the entire world for some people. Now I don’t know Kyrie, maybe he does know and is really a jerk. I just try to have lots of sympathy and understanding for those who struggle with social interactions.

And yet, this is the guy always holding court with the out of town media, etc. He doesn’t strike me as being debilitated by social anxiety to the point of not being able to acknowledge Gorman.

This right here.

The guy clearly knows how to run his mouth when he wants to.

And I'm sorry, I get that everyone is not a social butterfly. I am pretty shy/withdrawn sometimes. But I also have empathy and understand how it makes people feel when you ignore them. So I try my best even when I don't really feel like talking. There is a difference between being quiet and aloof/arrogant. And this sounds a lot more like aloof/arrogant.

This sort of thing is actually quite common, it’s not shyness or aloofness, they simply don’t process social cues like most people. Often they don’t even understand that others don’t like how they are behaving. They can talk and interact in some settings but be totally inept in others. It’s hard for us too because we don’t understand them.

He's in the wrong business then. Basketball is a team sport and some level of social engagement with teammates/staff/media is required.

I wonder how he was on the set of "Uncle Drew?"

[Green-18]

I get the feeling Kyrie feels very lost in the world. He doesn't know how he's supposed to be, doesn't know what or who to trust, and celebrity has just made him more isolated, generally, so he doesn't know how to reach out and doesn't know how to have the kind of interactions Gorman is talking about.

I don't meant that as an excuse but that is how I feel about him.

Excellent point. There are people who simply don’t experience the world the same way most of us do and they often find social interactions difficult. He isn’t a good leader, but I would cut him some slack on the social interactions some people just struggle is social situations.

I see your points, but it’s just basic manners to say “hi” back to someone like Gorman.  You’d have to be a real jerk to respond the way Gorman describes.

But that’s my point. People like this aren’t jerks, they really don’t understand the social cues and rules that come naturally to the rest of us. Imagine moving to a foreign country like Japan and having no clue about what to do. You don’t know when to bow or how deeply. You don’t know that it’s very rude to walk and eat at the same time or to put someone’s business card in you wallet or pocket. And people won’t explain it to you they just dismiss you as a jerk or as odd. That’s the entire world for some people. Now I don’t know Kyrie, maybe he does know and is really a jerk. I just try to have lots of sympathy and understanding for those who struggle with social interactions.

And yet, this is the guy always holding court with the out of town media, etc. He doesn’t strike me as being debilitated by social anxiety to the point of not being able to acknowledge Gorman.

This right here.

The guy clearly knows how to run his mouth when he wants to.

And I'm sorry, I get that everyone is not a social butterfly. I am pretty shy/withdrawn sometimes. But I also have empathy and understand how it makes people feel when you ignore them. So I try my best even when I don't really feel like talking. There is a difference between being quiet and aloof/arrogant. And this sounds a lot more like aloof/arrogant.

This sort of thing is actually quite common, it’s not shyness or aloofness, they simply don’t process social cues like most people. Often they don’t even understand that others don’t like how they are behaving. They can talk and interact in some settings but be totally inept in others. It’s hard for us too because we don’t understand them.

He's in the wrong business then. Basketball is a team sport and some level of social engagement with teammates/staff/media is required.

I wonder how he was on the set of "Uncle Drew?"

I wouldn't be surprised if he was much more comfortable during the filming of Uncle Drew, as it was likely a more controlled and predictable environment.  Same schedule, routine, people etc.  There's also no pressure to perform for the front office, his teammates, media and fan base. 

To your point, I wouldn't be surprised if Kyrie flames out of the league by his early-mid 30's.  He's made a lot of money and accomplished quite a bit, but I'm not sure he can handle much more if things don't go well in Brooklyn.  He's already on record stating that he has no plans to play deep into his 30's   

[Phantom255x]

I'm glad he's gone.

The one thing that made me begin to question Kyrie's commitment to the C's was when he apparently decided to have some surgery (which I believe wasn't even for an injury) around the same time the C's were playing the Cavs in the ECF (which went to Game 7 where Hayward was there, but Kyrie wasn't). Like really? Of all the times, you choose that time...

Then of course, everything that's happened since.

Whatever. On to 2019-2020. Maybe our expectations aren't as high as last season, but I can't wait to watch the team win a lot of games and have fun in doing so. Being a likable team.

[moiso]

I get the feeling Kyrie feels very lost in the world. He doesn't know how he's supposed to be, doesn't know what or who to trust, and celebrity has just made him more isolated, generally, so he doesn't know how to reach out and doesn't know how to have the kind of interactions Gorman is talking about.

I don't meant that as an excuse but that is how I feel about him.

Excellent point. There are people who simply don’t experience the world the same way most of us do and they often find social interactions difficult. He isn’t a good leader, but I would cut him some slack on the social interactions some people just struggle is social situations.

I see your points, but it’s just basic manners to say “hi” back to someone like Gorman.  You’d have to be a real jerk to respond the way Gorman describes.

But that’s my point. People like this aren’t jerks, they really don’t understand the social cues and rules that come naturally to the rest of us. Imagine moving to a foreign country like Japan and having no clue about what to do. You don’t know when to bow or how deeply. You don’t know that it’s very rude to walk and eat at the same time or to put someone’s business card in you wallet or pocket. And people won’t explain it to you they just dismiss you as a jerk or as odd. That’s the entire world for some people. Now I don’t know Kyrie, maybe he does know and is really a jerk. I just try to have lots of sympathy and understanding for those who struggle with social interactions.

And yet, this is the guy always holding court with the out of town media, etc. He doesn’t strike me as being debilitated by social anxiety to the point of not being able to acknowledge Gorman.

This right here.

The guy clearly knows how to run his mouth when he wants to.

And I'm sorry, I get that everyone is not a social butterfly. I am pretty shy/withdrawn sometimes. But I also have empathy and understand how it makes people feel when you ignore them. So I try my best even when I don't really feel like talking. There is a difference between being quiet and aloof/arrogant. And this sounds a lot more like aloof/arrogant.

This sort of thing is actually quite common, it’s not shyness or aloofness, they simply don’t process social cues like most people. Often they don’t even understand that others don’t like how they are behaving. They can talk and interact in some settings but be totally inept in others. It’s hard for us too because we don’t understand them.

He's in the wrong business then. Basketball is a team sport and some level of social engagement with teammates/staff/media is required.

I wonder how he was on the set of "Uncle Drew?"

I wouldn't be surprised if he was much more comfortable during the filming of Uncle Drew, as it was likely a more controlled and predictable environment.  Same schedule, routine, people etc.  There's also no pressure to perform for the front office, his teammates, media and fan base. 

To your point, I wouldn't be surprised if Kyrie flames out of the league by his early-mid 30's.  He's made a lot of money and accomplished quite a bit, but I'm not sure he can handle much more if things don't go well in Brooklyn.  He's already on record stating that he has no plans to play deep into his 30's   

It’s pretty meaningless when Irving goes on the record stating anything.  What he doesn’t say (as in to Mike Gorman for example) is much more meaningful, since Irving is always full of crap and contradicting himself whenever he opens his mouth.

[bellerephon]

I get the feeling Kyrie feels very lost in the world. He doesn't know how he's supposed to be, doesn't know what or who to trust, and celebrity has just made him more isolated, generally, so he doesn't know how to reach out and doesn't know how to have the kind of interactions Gorman is talking about.

I don't meant that as an excuse but that is how I feel about him.

Excellent point. There are people who simply don’t experience the world the same way most of us do and they often find social interactions difficult. He isn’t a good leader, but I would cut him some slack on the social interactions some people just struggle is social situations.

I see your points, but it’s just basic manners to say “hi” back to someone like Gorman.  You’d have to be a real jerk to respond the way Gorman describes.

But that’s my point. People like this aren’t jerks, they really don’t understand the social cues and rules that come naturally to the rest of us. Imagine moving to a foreign country like Japan and having no clue about what to do. You don’t know when to bow or how deeply. You don’t know that it’s very rude to walk and eat at the same time or to put someone’s business card in you wallet or pocket. And people won’t explain it to you they just dismiss you as a jerk or as odd. That’s the entire world for some people. Now I don’t know Kyrie, maybe he does know and is really a jerk. I just try to have lots of sympathy and understanding for those who struggle with social interactions.

And yet, this is the guy always holding court with the out of town media, etc. He doesn’t strike me as being debilitated by social anxiety to the point of not being able to acknowledge Gorman.

This right here.

The guy clearly knows how to run his mouth when he wants to.

And I'm sorry, I get that everyone is not a social butterfly. I am pretty shy/withdrawn sometimes. But I also have empathy and understand how it makes people feel when you ignore them. So I try my best even when I don't really feel like talking. There is a difference between being quiet and aloof/arrogant. And this sounds a lot more like aloof/arrogant.

This sort of thing is actually quite common, it’s not shyness or aloofness, they simply don’t process social cues like most people. Often they don’t even understand that others don’t like how they are behaving. They can talk and interact in some settings but be totally inept in others. It’s hard for us too because we don’t understand them.

He's in the wrong business then. Basketball is a team sport and some level of social engagement with teammates/staff/media is required.

I wonder how he was on the set of "Uncle Drew?"

I wouldn't agree with that at all. He can clearly play basketball at a high level, contributed to a championship and made lots of money. He's done more already than most NBA players ever will. I too am glad he's gone, he was a bad fit here and not a good leader. I would say he needs to be on a team that has a strong leader and he can be the second guy. But to say he is in the wrong business is not something I would agree with.

[gouki88]

Jeesh. Defended him a lot, but good riddance at this stage. All our guys look to be having more fun already

[Moranis]

This seems overblown.  I mean what if 100 times he was acknowledged but twice he wasn't?   What if Kyrie had headphones on and didn't hear him?  What if Kyrie just wasn't in the mood for small talk?  So many things that could make this not be a big deal at all. 

[moiso]

This seems overblown.  I mean what if 100 times he was acknowledged but twice he wasn't?   What if Kyrie had headphones on and didn't hear him?  What if Kyrie just wasn't in the mood for small talk?  So many things that could make this not be a big deal at all.

Mike wouldn’t mention anything if Irving had headphones on or acknowledged him 98% of the time.  Isn’t that obvious?