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Re: Jaylen Brown was offered 4 years $80M
« Reply #150 on: October 18, 2019, 11:30:40 AM »

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It seems odd to me that the comments have Jaylen rigidly defined within a range based on the last two years. He's still 22 for a few more days, and one of the most athletic guys we've ever had.

This could go a lot of different ways, but it looks to me like the game is starting to slow down for him. Based on the FIBA games and the preseason, it looks like he is improving faster than Tatum is. That may change during the season, but I doubt it.

I think the chances are pretty good that he's a lot closer to a co-#2 option with Tatum this year. I would guess that Ainge considers Tatum and Brown more important than Hayward or Walker or anyone else, and will act accordingly to keep him.

I think we save money by signing him now. We might need to pay the max to keep him if we wait and he goes out and has an impressive season.

Re: Jaylen Brown was offered 4 years $80M
« Reply #151 on: October 18, 2019, 12:14:57 PM »

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I just think a lot of people here are reading too much into certain things. Like if he doesn't sign that means he's  getting traded "for sure." Or the Celtics "can't" afford another big contract, ect. Either Jaylen will or wont sign the extension, but it wont be because the Celtics can't afford him. And either way doesn't determine whether he'll be on the team a year from now. He could sign today and be traded next offseason. He could hold out till next offseason and spend the rest  of his career with Boston. I know this isnt really a good "take," but we'll just have to wait and see.

Re: Jaylen Brown was offered 4 years $80M
« Reply #152 on: October 18, 2019, 05:50:44 PM »

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when people take into account PPG, how often do they account for all the talent on the team, guys who deserve shots and average a lot? For instance, Heild, how many AS players did he have to take a backseat to? Kyrie avg around 25pts, Tatum 16pts, Al around 15pts, Hayward another 14, Smart about 10, and Morris about 15 (numbers probably off but not by much). How did Heild's teammate's shots and points measure up to Brown's teammates? I highly doubt his team had as many mouths to feed. Could JB score 20pts on a less talented team? We don't know atm but I don't doubt it.

I think Brown's offensive game is very similar to that of a young Andre Iguodala - strong, athletic, good size, strong finisher, capable but not standout shooter and not really a natural scorer.

if you look at Iggy's career he had long stretches of time where he was forced to be the #1 guy on some not-overly-strong Philly teams, and yet he only averaged 19 PPG once, and only averaged > 18 PPG 3 times.  Most of his career his ability was more like that of a 14 - 15 PPG guy, and i think you could say more or less the same for Jaylen Brown.

I think on a lottery team or highly defensive oriented team with very few scorers, Brown could peak at around the 19 PPG - 20 PPG mark with forced high usage.

If you are talking about a competitive playoff team with decent scoring depth, then I think he's more like a 16.5 PPG - 17.5 PPG guy.  At least with his current play style anyway - of course players can change, and he could be a dramatically different player 2 or 3 years from now, though I don't expect that to be the case.

It really doesn't matter what we think, we just won't know until he has that chance.

I'll say this though, you're talking about Iggy scoring 19pts but forgetting it was before the offensive explosion era. What was 17-19 then is likely more now. Besides that, you can compare any player to someone else but it never means they are that player, JB may never be a 20pt per game player but your comparison doesn't make it so.
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Re: Jaylen Brown was offered 4 years $80M
« Reply #153 on: October 18, 2019, 07:03:23 PM »

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Wyc will never agree to any deal with Jaylen that takes him into luxury tax unless he is confident that the team as constructed is championship caliber.

Thatís fine and dandy, but the Celtics can give Jaylen the max and still avoid luxury tax next year, so itís pretty moot.

Yes, assume Hayward renews, and Jayson gets max, the year after will be luxury tax, no?

Re: Jaylen Brown was offered 4 years $80M
« Reply #154 on: October 18, 2019, 07:29:19 PM »

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Wyc will never agree to any deal with Jaylen that takes him into luxury tax unless he is confident that the team as constructed is championship caliber.

Thatís fine and dandy, but the Celtics can give Jaylen the max and still avoid luxury tax next year, so itís pretty moot.

Yes, assume Hayward renews, and Jayson gets max, the year after will be luxury tax, no?
So three years from now, you might have a luxury tax problem if Brown and Tatum sign max deals and Hayward gets renewed at big bucks.

But if you don't want luxury tax problems in three years the answer is not passing on a 22 year old with star potential now, it to re-evaluate Hayward after two more years here and either paying him significantly less for his 32-35 years old years or let him go. Luxury tax problem solved.

Re: Jaylen Brown was offered 4 years $80M
« Reply #155 on: October 18, 2019, 08:09:47 PM »

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Wyc will never agree to any deal with Jaylen that takes him into luxury tax unless he is confident that the team as constructed is championship caliber.

Thatís fine and dandy, but the Celtics can give Jaylen the max and still avoid luxury tax next year, so itís pretty moot.

Yes, assume Hayward renews, and Jayson gets max, the year after will be luxury tax, no?
So three years from now, you might have a luxury tax problem if Brown and Tatum sign max deals and Hayward gets renewed at big bucks.

But if you don't want luxury tax problems in three years the answer is not passing on a 22 year old with star potential now, it to re-evaluate Hayward after two more years here and either paying him significantly less for his 32-35 years old years or let him go. Luxury tax problem solved.

Correct.  Or, if Hayward has returned to a level of play that deserves a max or near max contract in his 30s, pay the tax for the title contender you almost assuredly have.

Re: Jaylen Brown was offered 4 years $80M
« Reply #156 on: October 18, 2019, 08:52:26 PM »

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Wyc will never agree to any deal with Jaylen that takes him into luxury tax unless he is confident that the team as constructed is championship caliber.

Thatís fine and dandy, but the Celtics can give Jaylen the max and still avoid luxury tax next year, so itís pretty moot.

Yes, assume Hayward renews, and Jayson gets max, the year after will be luxury tax, no?
So three years from now, you might have a luxury tax problem if Brown and Tatum sign max deals and Hayward gets renewed at big bucks.

But if you don't want luxury tax problems in three years the answer is not passing on a 22 year old with star potential now, it to re-evaluate Hayward after two more years here and either paying him significantly less for his 32-35 years old years or let him go. Luxury tax problem solved.

Good point.

Re: Jaylen Brown was offered 4 years $80M
« Reply #157 on: October 18, 2019, 09:27:51 PM »

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Re: Jaylen Brown was offered 4 years $80M
« Reply #158 on: October 18, 2019, 09:48:01 PM »

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Wyc will never agree to any deal with Jaylen that takes him into luxury tax unless he is confident that the team as constructed is championship caliber.

Thatís fine and dandy, but the Celtics can give Jaylen the max and still avoid luxury tax next year, so itís pretty moot.

Yes, assume Hayward renews, and Jayson gets max, the year after will be luxury tax, no?
So three years from now, you might have a luxury tax problem if Brown and Tatum sign max deals and Hayward gets renewed at big bucks.

But if you don't want luxury tax problems in three years the answer is not passing on a 22 year old with star potential now, it to re-evaluate Hayward after two more years here and either paying him significantly less for his 32-35 years old years or let him go. Luxury tax problem solved.

Correct.  Or, if Hayward has returned to a level of play that deserves a max or near max contract in his 30s, pay the tax for the title contender you almost assuredly have.

The luxury tax is not the problem.

Right now the Celts don't have a quality big man.

Celts will never get past the Bucks or Sixers if the Celts don't have a big man to use against the likes of Embiid and Giannis.

Spending lots of money on wing players is just not practical.
That's the main reason why I'm against keeping all 3, Tatum, Hayward, and Brown.

A compromise would be for Brown to agree to a 4-year 100m deal.
Brown is not a max player.
He can be an All-Star, but I just don't see Brown as a player like Kawhi or Jimmy Butler.

If Brown and the Celts can agree to a contract extension, Langford will never get playing time.
So if the Celts and Brown agree to an extension, Langford needs to go.
That will solve the problem of having too many players that play the same position.

Re: Jaylen Brown was offered 4 years $80M
« Reply #159 on: October 19, 2019, 08:28:40 AM »

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Re: Jaylen Brown was offered 4 years $80M
« Reply #160 on: October 19, 2019, 02:17:12 PM »

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Toronto Raptors forward Pascal Siakam has agreed to a four-year, max contract extension, agents @TRamasar and @choufani_lsme tells Zach Lowe and me.

Re: Jaylen Brown was offered 4 years $80M
« Reply #161 on: October 19, 2019, 02:19:52 PM »

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Siakam gets the max.

Another potential free-agent in the summer of 2020 now off the board.

This means the talent level of the 2020 free-agent class just got weaker.

So if Jaylen and the Celts can't agree to an extension now, Jaylen will most probably get a max offer in the summer of 2020.

Re: Jaylen Brown was offered 4 years $80M
« Reply #162 on: October 19, 2019, 02:29:47 PM »

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I cant believe the NBA honestly .... Siakam is NOT a max player. He is good maybe even an Allstar but he is not a max player.

Re: Jaylen Brown was offered 4 years $80M
« Reply #163 on: October 19, 2019, 02:32:33 PM »

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Jaylen's going to get paid. If Siakam got a max deal, and even Rozier got paid after the awful season he had last year, Jaylen's goin to get max or near max $$$

Re: Jaylen Brown was offered 4 years $80M
« Reply #164 on: October 19, 2019, 02:37:44 PM »

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Siakam has a better season than Jaylen last year. This is no surprise.