Poll: Trade Hayward for Steven Adams

[Fierce1]

Anyone here ever consider that Indy has no interest in trading Sabonis or that Danny would probably have to include at least two first rounders in a Hayward trade?

I'm in favor of trading Hayward but only if he rebuilds his value in the first half of the season. If Hayward plays great I would consider dealing him rather than having to offer him a huge contract. If he plays that well I think they could get Sabonis or Turner being equal value for him.

Most people who suggest Hayward trades assume he will improve and be worth than what he was during the offseason.

Adams would be a good addition but I don't think he would be great value for Hayward.

I was working under the assumption that people in this thread were talking about a trade right now.

My stance has always been I have no problem trading Hayward, just not when his value is at his lowest.

There's no trading Hayward.
Hayward will finish his contract with the Celts.

Relationships matter.
As long as Brad is the coach, Ainge will not dare trade Hayward.

If there's a trade Ainge is going to make, it will be for Jaylen Brown.

Ainge has traded Al Jefferson, Perk, Pierce, KG, Rondo, Bradley, Isaiah and tried to trade Doc. All those people had deep relationships with not only the players in the locker room but with the coaching staff and Danny himself.

Ainge could care less what relationships Hayward has. He has proven this over and over again. If Ainge feels like a Hayward trade will help the club, Gordon is gone, regardless of how chummy Hayward is with Stevens.

As for your opinion on Jaylen being traded, yeah, I think the whole board already knows you see Brown being traded. I think you have made that abundantly clear this summer.

All those players you mentioned Ainge traded ended up upgrading the Celts.
The only exception was the Perk trade.

Hayward is an All-Star player.
Trading an All-Star for another All-Star is like taking one step forward and one step backward.

The perfect example is the trade for Al Jefferson.
Al Jefferson was going to be a future All-Star when Ainge traded him for KG.
But KG is already an MVP type player.
That's why Ainge traded a future All-Star in Jefferson for an already established star player in KG.

There are very few players out there that are better than Hayward.
So it doesn't make sense to trade Hayward.

First you say Ainge won't trade Hayward because he has a relationship with Stevens. When shown relationships or sentimentality of any kind mean exactly squat to Ainge when it comes to deals, suddenly Hayward isn't being traded because he is too good and there are few players as good as Hayward.

The Hayward from last year, which is all any GM can value Hayward as since he hasn't proven he is back to being his old self yet, wasn't even a top 100 player in the NBA. There are loads of players who are as good or better than Hayward. And even if Hayward returns to form, he is still probably not a top 20 player in the league. So, sorry, there are lots of players out there better than Gordon.

Personally, I don't see Ainge making a trade until at least mid January or the deadline as he will want to see how all the youth(the Jay's included) develop and see where the greatest weaknesses are. And, if he makes a trade, I think nearly everyone is on the block except Kemba. Yes, that includes Hayward, Brown, Tatum, Kanter and Smart. Anyone could be gone.

What I'm trying to point out is Ainge traded to upgrade.

There are very few players out there AVAILABLE that will be better than Hayward.

Of course if it's Kawhi or Anthony Davis then you trade Hayward.
But if it's a guy like Kevin Love, that's not upgrading because you're losing one All-Star to add another All-Star.

Another example of Ainge trading to upgrade is trading Isaiah for Kyrie.
That was an upgrade because IT was damaged goods.

Ainge also traded Pierce and KG when they were old.

So it's possible that in the future Ainge might trade Hayward.
But right now when Hayward is still in his prime, there's just no way.

I also don't think Tatum will ever be included in a trade.
Not now and not in the near future.
Jayson Tatum is already showing signs of becoming a star player.
So why trade him?

Maybe Ainge won't make a trade now, but one thing's for sure, he will make a trade to improve the team.
Kanter and the rest of the current Celtic bigs are just not good enough.

[IDreamCeltics]

Anyone here ever consider that Indy has no interest in trading Sabonis or that Danny would probably have to include at least two first rounders in a Hayward trade?

Not only does Indy have no interest in trading contract year Sabonis, but Danny has already passed on the opportunity to trade for Sabonis twice in his three year NBA career, not to mention passing on him in a draft where the Celtics had 3 first round picks and had 3 more second round picks... If the Celtics wanted Sabonis they'd have him by now.   

As for Hayward... I agree he'll be prohibitively expensive to move.  The Celtics are going to be hampered by that contract for another two years.  The window to trade him was last offseason when a team could have talked themselves into him returning to Utah Jazz form coming off his season out of the NBA. 

[Celtics4ever]

    Anyone here ever consider that Indy has no interest in trading Sabonis or that Danny would probably have to include at least two first rounders in a Hayward trade?

Trades don't have to be realistic to the generation that grew up with NBA2K or the like....

[RPGenerate]

Anyone here ever consider that Indy has no interest in trading Sabonis or that Danny would probably have to include at least two first rounders in a Hayward trade?

Not only does Indy have no interest in trading contract year Sabonis, but Danny has already passed on the opportunity to trade for Sabonis twice in his three year NBA career, not to mention passing on him in a draft where the Celtics had 3 first round picks and had 3 more second round picks... If the Celtics wanted Sabonis they'd have him by now.   

As for Hayward... I agree he'll be prohibitively expensive to move.  The Celtics are going to be hampered by that contract for another two years.  The window to trade him was last offseason when a team could have talked themselves into him returning to Utah Jazz form coming off his season out of the NBA.

That makes no sense. He's an expiring deal next year, so just on that alone he's gonna be valuable.

[Herrington]

    Anyone here ever consider that Indy has no interest in trading Sabonis or that Danny would probably have to include at least two first rounders in a Hayward trade?

Trades don't have to be realistic to the generation that grew up with NBA2K or the like....

Let the man dream. haha

[slamtheking]

    Anyone here ever consider that Indy has no interest in trading Sabonis or that Danny would probably have to include at least two first rounders in a Hayward trade?

Trades don't have to be realistic to the generation that grew up with NBA2K or the like....

Let the man dream. haha

TP for your first post -- welcome to the blog

[MichiganAdam]

Just don't see the huge talent difference between JB and sabonis.  In similar minutes, and shot attempts, they scored similar points with Sabonis grabbing 4-5 more rebounds and 1-2 more assists.  JB is known as an excellent 1 v 1 defender.  Sabonis is 4-5 inches taller, and JB is the more athletic by far.  You can't teach height, so all things being equal, sabonis is worth more, but not 2 first more.  I do a trade based on position need for an extra first(C's ist), but not 2 for sure.

[nickagneta]

Just don't see the huge talent difference between JB and sabonis.  In similar minutes, and shot attempts, they scored similar points with Sabonis grabbing 4-5 more rebounds and 1-2 more assists.  JB is known as an excellent 1 v 1 defender.  Sabonis is 4-5 inches taller, and JB is the more athletic by far.  You can't teach height, so all things being equal, sabonis is worth more, but not 2 first more.  I do a trade based on position need for an extra first(C's ist), but not 2 for sure.

Where are you getting that 2 1st rounders would need to be included in a Brown-Sabonis trade. I am the only person that mentioned including 2 1st rounders in a trade and that was specifically for a Hayward trade, not a Brown trade.

Anyone here ever consider that Indy has no interest in trading Sabonis or that Danny would probably have to include at least two first rounders in a Hayward trade?

[gouki88]

Anyone here ever consider that Indy has no interest in trading Sabonis or that Danny would probably have to include at least two first rounders in a Hayward trade?

Not only does Indy have no interest in trading contract year Sabonis, but Danny has already passed on the opportunity to trade for Sabonis twice in his three year NBA career, not to mention passing on him in a draft where the Celtics had 3 first round picks and had 3 more second round picks... If the Celtics wanted Sabonis they'd have him by now.   

As for Hayward... I agree he'll be prohibitively expensive to move.  The Celtics are going to be hampered by that contract for another two years.  The window to trade him was last offseason when a team could have talked themselves into him returning to Utah Jazz form coming off his season out of the NBA.

That makes no sense. He's an expiring deal next year, so just on that alone he's gonna be valuable.

Bit of a theme with his Hayward takes

[Rosco917]

Trading Hayward lowers the BB IQ on this team. The loss of Al Horford lowered it enough.

Brown while fancying himself an intellect, makes more mistakes than anyone on the Celtics team. Last year he was routinely called out by teammates and coaches for exactly the same, and I'm sure that was just the tip of the iceberg. It's very possible to be athletic and not be a natural BB player at the same time.

Both he, and Tatum, have tunnel vision on the offensive end. They both feel the way to help the team is them scoring the ball. A good team can only afford to have so many of those.

[MichiganAdam]

Just don't see the huge talent difference between JB and sabonis.  In similar minutes, and shot attempts, they scored similar points with Sabonis grabbing 4-5 more rebounds and 1-2 more assists.  JB is known as an excellent 1 v 1 defender.  Sabonis is 4-5 inches taller, and JB is the more athletic by far.  You can't teach height, so all things being equal, sabonis is worth more, but not 2 first more.  I do a trade based on position need for an extra first(C's ist), but not 2 for sure.

Where are you getting that 2 1st rounders would need to be included in a Brown-Sabonis trade. I am the only person that mentioned including 2 1st rounders in a trade and that was specifically for a Hayward trade, not a Brown trade.

Anyone here ever consider that Indy has no interest in trading Sabonis or that Danny would probably have to include at least two first rounders in a Hayward trade?

Apparently I misread your post.  It has been a pretty common trade Idea of JB for Sabonis as their contracts line up.  If you meant Gordon for Sabonis that is different.  If we were intent on trading Gordon to Indy I think it would be for Turner and then more salary would still be needed from Indy.  Maybe something like gordon and RW3 plus 2 first for TJ warren and Miles Turner.  That would be probably not enough for indy either.

[IDreamCeltics]

I thought we were done with trade ideas centered around Hayward while his value is at its lowest...

Hayward looked really solid in the first half before knocking his arm. If he's returned to his old self, which I believe he will, he's much more valuable than Steven Adams.

Plus, I would want to see how Adams goes without Westbrook next to him. Maybe he gets better, maybe he gets worse. I personally think he'll get better, but who knows

Is this guy made of freaking glass?  You're going to get bumped during a basketball game. 

Hayward is who he is.  We had a whole season to watch him last year.  There were so many points where he was "Back" I lost track.  Anyone waiting for him to average more than the 11-5-5 he put up last year is going to be really disappointed.

Lol. It was a preseason game and he played most of his minutes in the first half, before he got knocked. It's almost as if they're somewhat precautionary in the preseason

I do love your boring and just provably wrong assessments of Hayward. Missed them over the off-season. You can literally just look at his monthly stats and see continued improvement, but you choose not to. TS% in the 60s from Feb through until the Playoffs started, and even in the Playoffs he shot better than our three top guys (Kyrie, Horford and JT). Continually posted a positive Net Rating during this period too, and a strongly positive +/-.
Even despite Brad's poor coaching, where he seemed to bungle the offence entirely, Hayward was still a reliably positive influence on both ends of the floor, and continued to improve throughout.

I wonder when Hayward does average more than 11-5-5 you'll go back to the routine quiet we had from you when his form was good

So his shooting percentages and +/- went up over the season, but he was ultimately just hampered by bad coaching? 

Seems like a contradiction and a reach to me...

The much simpler explanation is that he doesn't have the first step to get past the Brook Lopez's of the NBA world anymore. 

[Celtics4ever]

How many teams have Steven Adams piloted deep in the playoffs?   I realize the same is true of Hayward.   I think a fully recovered Hayward  is worth more to the team than Adams.

[SHAQATTACK]

how about Steven King ?

[SHAQATTACK]

    Anyone here ever consider that Indy has no interest in trading Sabonis or that Danny would probably have to include at least two first rounders in a Hayward trade?

Trades don't have to be realistic to the generation that grew up with NBA2K or the like....

TP ... just too funny