Poll: Trade Hayward for Steven Adams

[nickagneta]

Anyone here ever consider that Indy has no interest in trading Sabonis or that Danny would probably have to include at least two first rounders in a Hayward trade?

[Bobshot]

Hayward is not going anywhere.

He's Brad's boy.

A solution to the big man problem is trade Jaylen for Sabonis.

Sabonis will automatically be better than all the bigs the Celts have right now.

I'm pulling for Hayward. The kid has had bad luck and is fighting to come back. He deserves a shot.

Before making any deal, they need to see what they have with those four big men they have brought in.

It's clear Stevens starting five is weak on defense, so he needs a tweak there.  Maybe Williams starting over Kanter. More likely Smart starting.

Small ball is ineffective against big lineups. The Lakers destroyed the Warriors  the other night starting LJ, AD and Howard. The Celtics need to get bigger to stay in the hunt. Especially on defense.

[Evantime34]

Anyone here ever consider that Indy has no interest in trading Sabonis or that Danny would probably have to include at least two first rounders in a Hayward trade?

I'm in favor of trading Hayward but only if he rebuilds his value in the first half of the season. If Hayward plays great I would consider dealing him rather than having to offer him a huge contract. If he plays that well I think they could get Sabonis or Turner being equal value for him.

Most people who suggest Hayward trades assume he will improve and be worth than what he was during the offseason.

Adams would be a good addition but I don't think he would be great value for Hayward.

[nickagneta]

Anyone here ever consider that Indy has no interest in trading Sabonis or that Danny would probably have to include at least two first rounders in a Hayward trade?

I'm in favor of trading Hayward but only if he rebuilds his value in the first half of the season. If Hayward plays great I would consider dealing him rather than having to offer him a huge contract. If he plays that well I think they could get Sabonis or Turner being equal value for him.

Most people who suggest Hayward trades assume he will improve and be worth than what he was during the offseason.

Adams would be a good addition but I don't think he would be great value for Hayward.

I was working under the assumption that people in this thread were talking about a trade right now.

My stance has always been I have no problem trading Hayward, just not when his value is at his lowest.

[Fierce1]

Anyone here ever consider that Indy has no interest in trading Sabonis or that Danny would probably have to include at least two first rounders in a Hayward trade?

I'm in favor of trading Hayward but only if he rebuilds his value in the first half of the season. If Hayward plays great I would consider dealing him rather than having to offer him a huge contract. If he plays that well I think they could get Sabonis or Turner being equal value for him.

Most people who suggest Hayward trades assume he will improve and be worth than what he was during the offseason.

Adams would be a good addition but I don't think he would be great value for Hayward.

I was working under the assumption that people in this thread were talking about a trade right now.

My stance has always been I have no problem trading Hayward, just not when his value is at his lowest.

There's no trading Hayward.
Hayward will finish his contract with the Celts.

Relationships matter.
As long as Brad is the coach, Ainge will not dare trade Hayward.

If there's a trade Ainge is going to make, it will be for Jaylen Brown.

[nickagneta]

Anyone here ever consider that Indy has no interest in trading Sabonis or that Danny would probably have to include at least two first rounders in a Hayward trade?

I'm in favor of trading Hayward but only if he rebuilds his value in the first half of the season. If Hayward plays great I would consider dealing him rather than having to offer him a huge contract. If he plays that well I think they could get Sabonis or Turner being equal value for him.

Most people who suggest Hayward trades assume he will improve and be worth than what he was during the offseason.

Adams would be a good addition but I don't think he would be great value for Hayward.

I was working under the assumption that people in this thread were talking about a trade right now.

My stance has always been I have no problem trading Hayward, just not when his value is at his lowest.

There's no trading Hayward.
Hayward will finish his contract with the Celts.

Relationships matter.
As long as Brad is the coach, Ainge will not dare trade Hayward.

If there's a trade Ainge is going to make, it will be for Jaylen Brown.

Ainge has traded Al Jefferson, Perk, Pierce, KG, Rondo, Bradley, Isaiah and tried to trade Doc. All those people had deep relationships with not only the players in the locker room but with the coaching staff and Danny himself.

Ainge could care less what relationships Hayward has. He has proven this over and over again. If Ainge feels like a Hayward trade will help the club, Gordon is gone, regardless of how chummy Hayward is with Stevens.

As for your opinion on Jaylen being traded, yeah, I think the whole board already knows you see Brown being traded. I think you have made that abundantly clear this summer.

[dannyboy35]

Would OKC consider Adams to Celts for brown/ theis etc? I like Jaylen but I do t think Brad does and his value is gonna get worse under Brad imo.

[dannyboy35]

Anyone here ever consider that Indy has no interest in trading Sabonis or that Danny would probably have to include at least two first rounders in a Hayward trade?

   I could be wrong but that would shock me. But I think Hayward is our best all around player.

[dannyboy35]

I know the money is another issue.

[nickagneta]

Anyone here ever consider that Indy has no interest in trading Sabonis or that Danny would probably have to include at least two first rounders in a Hayward trade?

   I could be wrong but that would shock me. But I think Hayward is our best all around player.

Right now, Hayward's value is extremely low. He has not proven that he is anywhere close to being the Hayward of 2016-17. Until he does, you are paying someone to take on the possible $67 million still owed Hayward in the next two years if Hayward does not opt out.

[Fierce1]

Anyone here ever consider that Indy has no interest in trading Sabonis or that Danny would probably have to include at least two first rounders in a Hayward trade?

I'm in favor of trading Hayward but only if he rebuilds his value in the first half of the season. If Hayward plays great I would consider dealing him rather than having to offer him a huge contract. If he plays that well I think they could get Sabonis or Turner being equal value for him.

Most people who suggest Hayward trades assume he will improve and be worth than what he was during the offseason.

Adams would be a good addition but I don't think he would be great value for Hayward.

I was working under the assumption that people in this thread were talking about a trade right now.

My stance has always been I have no problem trading Hayward, just not when his value is at his lowest.

There's no trading Hayward.
Hayward will finish his contract with the Celts.

Relationships matter.
As long as Brad is the coach, Ainge will not dare trade Hayward.

If there's a trade Ainge is going to make, it will be for Jaylen Brown.

Ainge has traded Al Jefferson, Perk, Pierce, KG, Rondo, Bradley, Isaiah and tried to trade Doc. All those people had deep relationships with not only the players in the locker room but with the coaching staff and Danny himself.

Ainge could care less what relationships Hayward has. He has proven this over and over again. If Ainge feels like a Hayward trade will help the club, Gordon is gone, regardless of how chummy Hayward is with Stevens.

As for your opinion on Jaylen being traded, yeah, I think the whole board already knows you see Brown being traded. I think you have made that abundantly clear this summer.

All those players you mentioned Ainge traded ended up upgrading the Celts.
The only exception was the Perk trade.

Hayward is an All-Star player.
Trading an All-Star for another All-Star is like taking one step forward and one step backward.

The perfect example is the trade for Al Jefferson.
Al Jefferson was going to be a future All-Star when Ainge traded him for KG.
But KG was already an MVP type player.
That's why Ainge traded a future All-Star in Jefferson for an already established star player in KG.

There are very few players out there that are better than Hayward.
So it doesn't make sense to trade Hayward.

[Fierce1]

Anyone here ever consider that Indy has no interest in trading Sabonis or that Danny would probably have to include at least two first rounders in a Hayward trade?

   I could be wrong but that would shock me. But I think Hayward is our best all around player.

Right now, Hayward's value is extremely low. He has not proven that he is anywhere close to being the Hayward of 2016-17. Until he does, you are paying someone to take on the possible $67 million still owed Hayward in the next two years if Hayward does not opt out.

I saw the game live on TV.

Hayward was explosive against the Hornets.

Even Tommy kept saying Hayward couldn't make those moves last season.

Celts' best all around player, that's Gordon Hayward.

[nickagneta]

Anyone here ever consider that Indy has no interest in trading Sabonis or that Danny would probably have to include at least two first rounders in a Hayward trade?

I'm in favor of trading Hayward but only if he rebuilds his value in the first half of the season. If Hayward plays great I would consider dealing him rather than having to offer him a huge contract. If he plays that well I think they could get Sabonis or Turner being equal value for him.

Most people who suggest Hayward trades assume he will improve and be worth than what he was during the offseason.

Adams would be a good addition but I don't think he would be great value for Hayward.

I was working under the assumption that people in this thread were talking about a trade right now.

My stance has always been I have no problem trading Hayward, just not when his value is at his lowest.

There's no trading Hayward.
Hayward will finish his contract with the Celts.

Relationships matter.
As long as Brad is the coach, Ainge will not dare trade Hayward.

If there's a trade Ainge is going to make, it will be for Jaylen Brown.

Ainge has traded Al Jefferson, Perk, Pierce, KG, Rondo, Bradley, Isaiah and tried to trade Doc. All those people had deep relationships with not only the players in the locker room but with the coaching staff and Danny himself.

Ainge could care less what relationships Hayward has. He has proven this over and over again. If Ainge feels like a Hayward trade will help the club, Gordon is gone, regardless of how chummy Hayward is with Stevens.

As for your opinion on Jaylen being traded, yeah, I think the whole board already knows you see Brown being traded. I think you have made that abundantly clear this summer.

All those players you mentioned Ainge traded ended up upgrading the Celts.
The only exception was the Perk trade.

Hayward is an All-Star player.
Trading an All-Star for another All-Star is like taking one step forward and one step backward.

The perfect example is the trade for Al Jefferson.
Al Jefferson was going to be a future All-Star when Ainge traded him for KG.
But KG is already an MVP type player.
That's why Ainge traded a future All-Star in Jefferson for an already established star player in KG.

There are very few players out there that are better than Hayward.
So it doesn't make sense to trade Hayward.

First you say Ainge won't trade Hayward because he has a relationship with Stevens. When shown relationships or sentimentality of any kind mean exactly squat to Ainge when it comes to deals, suddenly Hayward isn't being traded because he is too good and there are few players as good as Hayward.

The Hayward from last year, which is all any GM can value Hayward as since he hasn't proven he is back to being his old self yet, wasn't even a top 100 player in the NBA. There are loads of players who are as good or better than Hayward. And even if Hayward returns to form, he is still probably not a top 20 player in the league. So, sorry, there are lots of players out there better than Gordon.

Personally, I don't see Ainge making a trade until at least mid January or the deadline as he will want to see how all the youth(the Jay's included) develop and see where the greatest weaknesses are. And, if he makes a trade, I think nearly everyone is on the block except Kemba. Yes, that includes Hayward, Brown, Tatum, Kanter and Smart. Anyone could be gone.

[Kuberski33]

Celts' best all around player, that's Gordon Hayward.

He's not right now, but in peak form he is and just the potential of it means you don't deal him.  You also don't panic.  A deal for Adams will still be there in January because his contract is ridiculous.  They also need to see what they have in terms of the rest of the roster. 

They never were going to solve the big problem by October.  They'll either do it in January (a short term fix if they think they can contend this season) or next summer.  Or possibly if Danny were to make a blockbuster trade but there's no shot of that happening either until they know what they have (or don't have) with the current roster.

[MichiganAdam]

Anyone here ever consider that Indy has no interest in trading Sabonis or that Danny would probably have to include at least two first rounders in a Hayward trade?

It would cost a pick in addition to Brown, but certainly not 2 first rounders, unless they were protected to both be non-lottery picks only.