Could somebody please explain Rozier sign and trade

[rollie mass]

How did this benefit Celtics and how was Kemba involved in this?  This Hardwood Houdini article brought me into an area i'm not familiar with.

Also the article in Hardwood Houdini was about Hayward as odd man out,his contract  and there was a reference that Hayward was was slow footed was that post injury. I thought he was hampered and that part would come back .The writer was promoting Grant Williams over Hayward at forward.That seemed like a big reach without an big upswing in Grants 3 point game and some experience against NBA opponents.

[Tr1boy]

How did this benefit Celtics and how was Kemba involved in this?  A Mass Live article brought me into an area i'm not familiar with.

Also the article was about Hayward as odd man out,his contract  and there was a reference that Hayward was was slow footed was that post injury i thought he was hampered and that part would come back .The writer was promoting Grant Williams over Hayward at forward.That seemed like a big reach without an big upswing in Grants 3 point game and some experience against NBA opponents.

Hayward may never be the same

Grant Williams is like a 10 year vet in a 21-22 year body

But lets see how things turn out

Ideal: Hayward 90-95 percent back to normal

Cant be worse: Hayward turns into a darn good 6th man

[Silky]

We got a second and raised good will between the celtics, rozier, kemba and charlotte.

Charlotte would have been screwed and at the same time no way was rozier getting 18 mill om the open market. Charlotte had no capspace. So a sign amd trade was put into place.

Originally danny wanted a 3 team sign and trade with kyrie going to brooklyn, rozier going to charlotte and kemba coming here. That would have opened up more free agency options.



Hayward is the odd man out. Brown and tatum are the future and obviously danny values kemba. Hayward will be 6th man and when his value is at its highest I think he gets traded for front court stud.

[rollie mass]

Thanks and a TP to you both.

Was that their 2nd.

[Roy H.]

The oddest thing about this S&T is that we could end up giving the best pick in the deal, at least as reported. Very odd.

[jambr380]

The oddest thing about this S&T is that we could end up giving the best pick in the deal, at least as reported. Very odd.

The pick the Cs are receiving in the deal is whatever is worse between BKN/ORL (or NYK, kind of confusing reports) - so they will definitely be receiving a pick. The pick the Cs are sending out is protected 31-53.

I suppose it is possible the pick is worse; but if Boston finished with the 7th best record in the NBA (the 54th pick), BKN or ORL would need to finish better than that (pick 55-60) for this situation to occur. If the Cs do not finish in the top 7, they will keep their pick and receive the pick from CHA. Apparently Danny was willing to take this chance and didn't mind the tiny chance of losing a spot or two late in the 2nd round.

I suppose it is strange the pick wasn't protected the usual 55-60. It really does give CHA a chance at receiving a pick from us. It is entirely conceivable we could finish 3rd in the East and 7th overall.

[Vermont Green]

Originally danny wanted a 3 team sign and trade with kyrie going to brooklyn, rozier going to charlotte and kemba coming here. That would have opened up more free agency options.

I think what the 3-way would have allowed us to do was get Walker without renouncing Horford (basically bring Walker into Kyrie's salary slot).  Once Horford signaled that he would sign with Philly in any case, there was no need to do the three way S&T.  We would still have been over the cap with the 3-way deal so we would not have been able to sign any random FA but we could have used Bird rights or something to go over the cap to sign Horford.  That is how I understand it anyway based on what I heard Danny say on the radio.

[gpap]

Originally danny wanted a 3 team sign and trade with kyrie going to brooklyn, rozier going to charlotte and kemba coming here. That would have opened up more free agency options.

I think what the 3-way would have allowed us to do was get Walker without renouncing Horford (basically bring Walker into Kyrie's salary slot).  Once Horford signaled that he would sign with Philly in any case, there was no need to do the three way S&T.  We would still have been over the cap with the 3-way deal so we would not have been able to sign any random FA but we could have used Bird rights or something to go over the cap to sign Horford.  That is how I understand it anyway based on what I heard Danny say on the radio.

I think your right about this.

The whole point behind Danny trying to do all these sign and trades was to able to acquire Kemba and re-sign Horford.
However, that didn't pan out as Brooklyn wasn't willing to do so without a hefty price.

As for the sign and trade with Charlotte, I think the benefit is what we got a 2nd round pick out of it, right?

[gpap]

The oddest thing about this S&T is that we could end up giving the best pick in the deal, at least as reported. Very odd.

All I can think of is Danny already initiated this with Charlotte to at least help them get Rozier in a double sign/trade while trying to chase down Horford.

But even after the sign and trade didn't work with Brooklyn and Horford already chose Philly, Ainge didn't want to leave the Hornets hanging (which may have seemed like a callous thing to do) so he followed through with the move.

Like another poster mentioned, it sorta helps Ainge's reputation out in potential future dealings with other teams.

[Monkhouse]

Originally danny wanted a 3 team sign and trade with kyrie going to brooklyn, rozier going to charlotte and kemba coming here. That would have opened up more free agency options.

I think what the 3-way would have allowed us to do was get Walker without renouncing Horford (basically bring Walker into Kyrie's salary slot).  Once Horford signaled that he would sign with Philly in any case, there was no need to do the three way S&T.  We would still have been over the cap with the 3-way deal so we would not have been able to sign any random FA but we could have used Bird rights or something to go over the cap to sign Horford.  That is how I understand it anyway based on what I heard Danny say on the radio.

I think your right about this.

The whole point behind Danny trying to do all these sign and trades was to able to acquire Kemba and re-sign Horford.
However, that didn't pan out as Brooklyn wasn't willing to do so without a hefty price.

As for the sign and trade with Charlotte, I think the benefit is what we got a 2nd round pick out of it, right?

BKN was asking for a minimum 2 draft picks or the Grizzlies pick which Ainge wisely refused.

[gpap]

Originally danny wanted a 3 team sign and trade with kyrie going to brooklyn, rozier going to charlotte and kemba coming here. That would have opened up more free agency options.

I think what the 3-way would have allowed us to do was get Walker without renouncing Horford (basically bring Walker into Kyrie's salary slot).  Once Horford signaled that he would sign with Philly in any case, there was no need to do the three way S&T.  We would still have been over the cap with the 3-way deal so we would not have been able to sign any random FA but we could have used Bird rights or something to go over the cap to sign Horford.  That is how I understand it anyway based on what I heard Danny say on the radio.

I think your right about this.

The whole point behind Danny trying to do all these sign and trades was to able to acquire Kemba and re-sign Horford.
However, that didn't pan out as Brooklyn wasn't willing to do so without a hefty price.

As for the sign and trade with Charlotte, I think the benefit is what we got a 2nd round pick out of it, right?

BKN was asking for a minimum 2 draft picks or the Grizzlies pick which Ainge wisely refused.

Especially if Ainge agreed, and still ended up losing Horford.

[Roy H.]

Originally danny wanted a 3 team sign and trade with kyrie going to brooklyn, rozier going to charlotte and kemba coming here. That would have opened up more free agency options.

I think what the 3-way would have allowed us to do was get Walker without renouncing Horford (basically bring Walker into Kyrie's salary slot).  Once Horford signaled that he would sign with Philly in any case, there was no need to do the three way S&T.  We would still have been over the cap with the 3-way deal so we would not have been able to sign any random FA but we could have used Bird rights or something to go over the cap to sign Horford.  That is how I understand it anyway based on what I heard Danny say on the radio.

I think your right about this.

The whole point behind Danny trying to do all these sign and trades was to able to acquire Kemba and re-sign Horford.
However, that didn't pan out as Brooklyn wasn't willing to do so without a hefty price.

As for the sign and trade with Charlotte, I think the benefit is what we got a 2nd round pick out of it, right?

BKN was asking for a minimum 2 draft picks or the Grizzlies pick which Ainge wisely refused.

If “2 draft picks” was two seconds I would have done it.

[footey]

How did this benefit Celtics and how was Kemba involved in this?  This Hardwood Houdini article brought me into an area i'm not familiar with.

Also the article in Hardwood Houdini was about Hayward as odd man out,his contract  and there was a reference that Hayward was was slow footed was that post injury. I thought he was hampered and that part would come back .The writer was promoting Grant Williams over Hayward at forward.That seemed like a big reach without an big upswing in Grants 3 point game and some experience against NBA opponents.

That article was garbage. Guy who wrote it is not a serious journalist.

[Silky]

Originally danny wanted a 3 team sign and trade with kyrie going to brooklyn, rozier going to charlotte and kemba coming here. That would have opened up more free agency options.

I think what the 3-way would have allowed us to do was get Walker without renouncing Horford (basically bring Walker into Kyrie's salary slot).  Once Horford signaled that he would sign with Philly in any case, there was no need to do the three way S&T.  We would still have been over the cap with the 3-way deal so we would not have been able to sign any random FA but we could have used Bird rights or something to go over the cap to sign Horford.  That is how I understand it anyway based on what I heard Danny say on the radio.

I think your right about this.

The whole point behind Danny trying to do all these sign and trades was to able to acquire Kemba and re-sign Horford.
However, that didn't pan out as Brooklyn wasn't willing to do so without a hefty price.

As for the sign and trade with Charlotte, I think the benefit is what we got a 2nd round pick out of it, right?

BKN was asking for a minimum 2 draft picks or the Grizzlies pick which Ainge wisely refused.

If “2 draft picks” was two seconds I would have done it.

I would have traded romeo and williams for the ability to retain Horford. Easily.

[footey]

Hayward is the odd man out. Brown and tatum are the future and obviously danny values kemba. Hayward will be 6th man and when his value is at its highest I think he gets traded for front court stud.

Actually, I expect that, at worst, Hayward will have the 3rd most minutes on the team (after Walker and Tatum), due to his versatility as a ball handler and facilitator.  In fact, I would not be surprised if he is 2nd on the team in scoring average, as I feel this board  overrates Jayson Tatum's offensive talents. 

I'd like nothing more than to be proven wrong about Tatum, but just feel he is too indecisive to become a 20 plus PPG scorer.  If he fixes that, cool.