Forward Thinking Importance of Hayward

[NKY fan]

I’m afraid Gordon is the best shooter on our team currently so he should be shooting more. Maybe double his 3pt attempts from last year.

[hwangjini_1]

Also. Among guards and forwards averaging at least 25 mpg hayward was 24th in the leafue with his defensive rating.

Not world beater at all.

i just did some very quick research and found 180 nba players who last year averaged over 25 minutes a game.

if hayward is 24th out of 180 of those players in defense, then i would be very happy.

[W8ting2McHale]

Also. Among guards and forwards averaging at least 25 mpg hayward was 24th in the leafue with his defensive rating.

Not world beater at all.

He was legitimately horrible the first two months or so.

Wonder what that rating looked like the last few months

You don’t even have to worry about that. There were 117 guards and forwards that played 25 minutes or more per game. If Hayward was 24th out of 117, even after starting the year at Way less than 100%, then his defense is not a problem.

* note as above there was closer to 180 that played guard or forward. I only counted those that played SG or SF most of the time and the PFs that also played SF, but not Center, so my number is lower.

[gouki88]

Also. Among guards and forwards averaging at least 25 mpg hayward was 24th in the leafue with his defensive rating.

Not world beater at all.

Lol, dude, are you seriously using DRTG? Joe Ingles has a higher DRTG than Giannis and PG. Kyle Anderson has a higher DRTG than Draymond.

Would you argue that the stats reflect their defensive abilities?

[nickagneta]

Also. Among guards and forwards averaging at least 25 mpg hayward was 24th in the leafue with his defensive rating.

Not world beater at all.

Lol, dude, are you seriously using DRTG? Joe Ingles has a higher DRTG than Giannis and PG. Kyle Anderson has a higher DRTG than Draymond.

Would you argue that the stats reflect their defensive abilities?

Nothing wrong with Defensive Rating as a stat. I don't use the Basketball-Reference Defensive Rating, it is pretty bad. But the Defensive Rating stat at NBA.com is actually very good. And Hayward's number shows he was not a terrible defender last year, as Silky continuously suggests.

[gouki88]

Also. Among guards and forwards averaging at least 25 mpg hayward was 24th in the leafue with his defensive rating.

Not world beater at all.

Lol, dude, are you seriously using DRTG? Joe Ingles has a higher DRTG than Giannis and PG. Kyle Anderson has a higher DRTG than Draymond.

Would you argue that the stats reflect their defensive abilities?

Nothing wrong with Defensive Rating as a stat. I don't use the Basketball-Reference Defensive Rating, it is pretty bad. But the Defensive Rating stat at NBA.com is actually very good. And Hayward's number shows he was not a terrible defender last year, as Silky continuously suggests.

There's nothing wrong with it, but it's certainly not the be all and end all.

I don't think Silky will be quite too pleased that the numbers don't suggest what he implied they do.

[bellerephon]

The big question is which version of Gordon the Celtics will see. If he's at or close to his career best, then he is the second best player on the team and needs to both start and end games. It makes no sense to bring your second best player off the bench. If the second unit needs scoring Brad can arrange the rotations to make sure that one of the starters is always on the floor, it can even be Gordon if that's the best way to do it.

If, however, he does not come back at or near his best, then bringing off the bench would make a lot of sense. In that situation Tatum is likely the second best on the team and putting more size in the starting lineup makes sense.

[Silky]

Also. Among guards and forwards averaging at least 25 mpg hayward was 24th in the leafue with his defensive rating.

Not world beater at all.

Lol, dude, are you seriously using DRTG? Joe Ingles has a higher DRTG than Giannis and PG. Kyle Anderson has a higher DRTG than Draymond.

Would you argue that the stats reflect their defensive abilities?

Nothing wrong with Defensive Rating as a stat. I don't use the Basketball-Reference Defensive Rating, it is pretty bad. But the Defensive Rating stat at NBA.com is actually very good. And Hayward's number shows he was not a terrible defender last year, as Silky continuously suggests.

I dont believe I stated he was a terrible defender, I said he was not a good defender.

There is a difference.

And he ranked as a good defender while defender the lesser of offensive threats on a game in game out basis.