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Re: Could Horford end up being the worst contract of offseason?
« Reply #510 on: March 05, 2020, 10:49:09 AM »

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If PHI is merciful they'll offload Al once their season comes to an end in late April and let him go to a better team

Which team would want his contract?

Teams that think they are a high-level role player (like Iggy for the Warriors) piece away from being legit contenders: Blazers, Sixers, Nets, Dallas, and Miami.

I'm not sure Horford makes sense for any of those teams. Although i could see Dallas making the most sense. Horford can spread the floor and play better defense than their centers.

Teams that are desperate: Kings, Knicks, Suns, Wolves, Hornets.

Of those teams, I think the Wolves make the most sense. James Johnson would have go back to the Sixers for salary purposes. Given how well Johnson has played the last two years, I'm not sure Horford is a significant upgrade.

Re: Could Horford end up being the worst contract of offseason?
« Reply #511 on: March 05, 2020, 10:49:51 AM »

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I still strongly believe that Al Horford still has a LOT to offer a club.

He is simply better than what PHI is portraying him to be.

PHI is doing a GREAT job in making him the Poster Boy for their ills - and they are MANY..

You have a GREAT center that can't stay on the court and wants to make funny gifs and joke about "Real Estate" all day. Don't believe he is serious about his gifts (or craft), yet.

Drops 40 and 20 on a team one day...then has abysmal and sub-par performances the next.

You have a Unicorn of a PG in Simmons that has his flaws as well.

Philadelphia's window - while at one time seemed open for a few years - is now closing, IMO. I think they've gotten worse.

If PHI is merciful they'll offload Al once their season comes to an end in late April and let him go to a better team.....BUT - they won't have a poster boy to frame anymore so I doubt that happens.

I believed the fit argument a lot more before Embid got hurt. With him and Simmons out Horford really had a chance to shine and show he still had something in the tank. So far he has looked even worse on defense than ever. He is getting roasted by all different kinds of players including Harrell and Davis on the most recent road trip.

Re: Could Horford end up being the worst contract of offseason?
« Reply #512 on: March 05, 2020, 11:06:15 AM »

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If PHI is merciful they'll offload Al once their season comes to an end in late April and let him go to a better team

Which team would want his contract?
No one.

This is likely his best year physically, and its not looking great. Plus the 76ers do not have great assets to sweeten the deal. Their future picks and young player pool has been mostly spent.

Re: Could Horford end up being the worst contract of offseason?
« Reply #513 on: March 05, 2020, 11:08:59 AM »

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I'm sure a better situation could make Al look better, but overall this decline is not out of line with the effects of aging on him or what we saw for the stretch last season when his knee wasn't right.

Maybe his achilles is still bothering him and next year he'll bounce back, but he'll also be a year older so what's the net result. 33 year old big men decline it shouldn't shock us.

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« Reply #514 on: March 05, 2020, 11:10:11 AM »

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If PHI is merciful they'll offload Al once their season comes to an end in late April and let him go to a better team

Which team would want his contract?
No one.

This is likely his best year physically, and its not looking great. Plus the 76ers do not have great assets to sweeten the deal. Their future picks and young player pool has been mostly spent.

I agree. I think its going to be real tough to move him given age, contract, & what it would take from an asset standpoint to attach to a deal that someone would actually take.

Not impossible but not easy.


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Re: Could Horford end up being the worst contract of offseason?
« Reply #515 on: March 05, 2020, 11:26:51 AM »

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What a pay day and not even having to play star level basketball.

How can he keep from laughing and act serious

Re: Could Horford end up being the worst contract of offseason?
« Reply #516 on: March 05, 2020, 11:48:57 AM »

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Maybe this was Horford's parting gift to the Cs. Maybe it wasn't a betrayal. Maybe he became a double agent for the Cs while getting a last big payday.

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« Reply #517 on: March 05, 2020, 12:03:15 PM »

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If PHI is merciful they'll offload Al once their season comes to an end in late April and let him go to a better team

Which team would want his contract?
No one.

This is likely his best year physically, and its not looking great. Plus the 76ers do not have great assets to sweeten the deal. Their future picks and young player pool has been mostly spent.

I agree. I think its going to be real tough to move him given age, contract, & what it would take from an asset standpoint to attach to a deal that someone would actually take.

Not impossible but not easy.

I honestly think he could be bought out/waived before the end of that deal. He also strikes me as someone with a decent amount of pride. Could very well retire before the end of that deal.

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« Reply #518 on: March 05, 2020, 12:25:16 PM »

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If PHI is merciful they'll offload Al once their season comes to an end in late April and let him go to a better team

Which team would want his contract?
No one.

This is likely his best year physically, and its not looking great. Plus the 76ers do not have great assets to sweeten the deal. Their future picks and young player pool has been mostly spent.

I agree. I think its going to be real tough to move him given age, contract, & what it would take from an asset standpoint to attach to a deal that someone would actually take.

Not impossible but not easy.

I honestly think he could be bought out/waived before the end of that deal. He also strikes me as someone with a decent amount of pride. Could very well retire before the end of that deal.
That doesn't square with him leaving Boston to chase the money.

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« Reply #519 on: March 05, 2020, 12:26:48 PM »

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If PHI is merciful they'll offload Al once their season comes to an end in late April and let him go to a better team

Which team would want his contract?
No one.

This is likely his best year physically, and its not looking great. Plus the 76ers do not have great assets to sweeten the deal. Their future picks and young player pool has been mostly spent.

I agree. I think its going to be real tough to move him given age, contract, & what it would take from an asset standpoint to attach to a deal that someone would actually take.

Not impossible but not easy.

I honestly think he could be bought out/waived before the end of that deal. He also strikes me as someone with a decent amount of pride. Could very well retire before the end of that deal.
That doesn't square with him leaving Boston to chase the money.

Yeah I don't see him giving up that much money.
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Re: Could Horford end up being the worst contract of offseason?
« Reply #520 on: March 05, 2020, 12:43:06 PM »

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If PHI is merciful they'll offload Al once their season comes to an end in late April and let him go to a better team

Which team would want his contract?
No one.

This is likely his best year physically, and its not looking great. Plus the 76ers do not have great assets to sweeten the deal. Their future picks and young player pool has been mostly spent.

I agree. I think its going to be real tough to move him given age, contract, & what it would take from an asset standpoint to attach to a deal that someone would actually take.

Not impossible but not easy.

I honestly think he could be bought out/waived before the end of that deal. He also strikes me as someone with a decent amount of pride. Could very well retire before the end of that deal.
That doesn't square with him leaving Boston to chase the money.

Yeah I don't see him giving up that much money.

I don't think he thought it would go down hill this quickly for himself. He does not look like he is having fun out there. I also don't think it is just an Embid/Simmons think cause he looks really miserable and listless even when those two are both out. Maybe he didn't realize how bad a coach Brett Brown was? People's thinking and motivations change over time and we can all agree that the situation there has not worked out even close to how he would have hoped. At least half the reason he went there (the other half being money) is I think he wanted to play power forward full time and didn't think that would happen in Boston ever with Baynes going out the door. He now realizes he can't really play Power Forward.

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« Reply #521 on: March 05, 2020, 12:59:17 PM »

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If PHI is merciful they'll offload Al once their season comes to an end in late April and let him go to a better team

Which team would want his contract?
No one.

This is likely his best year physically, and its not looking great. Plus the 76ers do not have great assets to sweeten the deal. Their future picks and young player pool has been mostly spent.

I agree. I think its going to be real tough to move him given age, contract, & what it would take from an asset standpoint to attach to a deal that someone would actually take.

Not impossible but not easy.

I honestly think he could be bought out/waived before the end of that deal. He also strikes me as someone with a decent amount of pride. Could very well retire before the end of that deal.
That doesn't square with him leaving Boston to chase the money.

Yeah I don't see him giving up that much money.

I don't think he thought it would go down hill this quickly for himself. He does not look like he is having fun out there. I also don't think it is just an Embid/Simmons think cause he looks really miserable and listless even when those two are both out. Maybe he didn't realize how bad a coach Brett Brown was? People's thinking and motivations change over time and we can all agree that the situation there has not worked out even close to how he would have hoped. At least half the reason he went there (the other half being money) is I think he wanted to play power forward full time and didn't think that would happen in Boston ever with Baynes going out the door. He now realizes he can't really play Power Forward.
Perhaps. 

Look, I like my job in general, but there are many days that I'm not having fun, downright miserable, and I think to myself: What do I need this for?  The answer comes back: It's the money, stupid.  Hang in there and your stock options may actually be worth something.  Leave and you have to start over again on the options vesting.

Re: Could Horford end up being the worst contract of offseason?
« Reply #522 on: March 05, 2020, 01:14:48 PM »

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If PHI is merciful they'll offload Al once their season comes to an end in late April and let him go to a better team

Which team would want his contract?
No one.

This is likely his best year physically, and its not looking great. Plus the 76ers do not have great assets to sweeten the deal. Their future picks and young player pool has been mostly spent.

I agree. I think its going to be real tough to move him given age, contract, & what it would take from an asset standpoint to attach to a deal that someone would actually take.

Not impossible but not easy.

I honestly think he could be bought out/waived before the end of that deal. He also strikes me as someone with a decent amount of pride. Could very well retire before the end of that deal.
That doesn't square with him leaving Boston to chase the money.

Yeah I don't see him giving up that much money.

I don't think he thought it would go down hill this quickly for himself. He does not look like he is having fun out there. I also don't think it is just an Embid/Simmons think cause he looks really miserable and listless even when those two are both out. Maybe he didn't realize how bad a coach Brett Brown was? People's thinking and motivations change over time and we can all agree that the situation there has not worked out even close to how he would have hoped. At least half the reason he went there (the other half being money) is I think he wanted to play power forward full time and didn't think that would happen in Boston ever with Baynes going out the door. He now realizes he can't really play Power Forward.
Perhaps. 

Look, I like my job in general, but there are many days that I'm not having fun, downright miserable, and I think to myself: What do I need this for?  The answer comes back: It's the money, stupid.  Hang in there and your stock options may actually be worth something.  Leave and you have to start over again on the options vesting.

The difference is though, Horford has made a few hundred million dollars and could live very comfortably without another day of work. I am assuming you don't have hundreds of millions in the bank and that has an impact on whether you would quit on a really bad day/stretch right?

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« Reply #523 on: March 05, 2020, 01:20:07 PM »

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Why would Horford get bought out before the last year of his deal. This isn't a toxic player like Waiters, no one wants dead money like that on their cap even if he's out of the rotation.

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« Reply #524 on: March 05, 2020, 01:31:28 PM »

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Maybe its me ...but his love for Phily has always looked  down right fake as can be .....he lov n the brinks pay day tho