YABU being waived

[saltlover]

https://twitter.com/dangercart/status/1149343418931449856?s=09
Thread from dangercart. Suggests one of two things from the sequencing:

Because we waived Yab before signing Edwards, we won't have the cap space unless we stretch Yab. So either a trade is coming before we sign people or Yab will be stretched to make room for Edwards and maybe another signing.

Interesting

Rookies are cap exempt unless the team plans on going over rookie scale. All things indicated are Edwards wants to hit FA and isn't looking for more years so the C's will end up at the rookie scale only with him.

This is wrong on many levels.

1) 1st round draftees have a cap hold equal to 120% of their rookie scale amount until they sign, at which point their actual salary is in the cap (in practice virtually all 1st round picks sign for 120%.)

2) Edwards is a second round pick.  There is no rookie scale.  This means that in order to sign him, they must do one of the following: a) use cap space, b) use a mid-level exception of some sort, or c) use the minimum-exception.

Presumably the Celtics would prefer to use cap space, because then they can sign Edwards to a deal of up to 4 years, as they have done with many of their second rounders in the past few seasons (Demetrius Jackson, Abdel Nader, Jordan Mickey, and Semi Ojeleye were all signed to four year deals).  These deals were always more than the rookie minimum in year 1, and had varying amounts of guaranteed salary in year 2, which were at the second year minimum for all except Mickey, since the cap spike had far outpaced the minimum salaries by that point.

With all of these signings, the push and pull was between the amount of guaranteed money a player was willing to take in exchange for putting off free agency.  That is presumably at issue here as well.  I think the C’s will need to at least guarantee two full years to get Edwards to signing a deal of at least 3 years

That makes no sense. A rookie could in theory ask for 10 million or not sign if he is a 2nd round pick and doesn't want to play for a team. If the team doesn't sign him they would have to trade him or forfeit his rights if there was no scale.

A 2nd round pick could indeed do just that.  He would have to sit out of professional basketball completely and then re-enter the draft if he chose not to sign, assuming the team extended him any kind of offer.  Doesn’t ever happen, but yes, he could do that.  If he chooses to play in Europe while holding out, then his original team keeps his rights.

[nickagneta]

https://twitter.com/dangercart/status/1149343418931449856?s=09
Thread from dangercart. Suggests one of two things from the sequencing:

Because we waived Yab before signing Edwards, we won't have the cap space unless we stretch Yab. So either a trade is coming before we sign people or Yab will be stretched to make room for Edwards and maybe another signing.

Interesting

Rookies are cap exempt unless the team plans on going over rookie scale. All things indicated are Edwards wants to hit FA and isn't looking for more years so the C's will end up at the rookie scale only with him.

This is wrong on many levels.

1) 1st round draftees have a cap hold equal to 120% of their rookie scale amount until they sign, at which point their actual salary is in the cap (in practice virtually all 1st round picks sign for 120%.)

2) Edwards is a second round pick.  There is no rookie scale.  This means that in order to sign him, they must do one of the following: a) use cap space, b) use a mid-level exception of some sort, or c) use the minimum-exception.

Presumably the Celtics would prefer to use cap space, because then they can sign Edwards to a deal of up to 4 years, as they have done with many of their second rounders in the past few seasons (Demetrius Jackson, Abdel Nader, Jordan Mickey, and Semi Ojeleye were all signed to four year deals).  These deals were always more than the rookie minimum in year 1, and had varying amounts of guaranteed salary in year 2, which were at the second year minimum for all except Mickey, since the cap spike had far outpaced the minimum salaries by that point.

With all of these signings, the push and pull was between the amount of guaranteed money a player was willing to take in exchange for putting off free agency.  That is presumably at issue here as well.  I think the C’s will need to at least guarantee two full years to get Edwards to signing a deal of at least 3 years

That makes no sense. A rookie could in theory ask for 10 million or not sign if he is a 2nd round pick and doesn't want to play for a team. If the team doesn't sign him they would have to trade him or forfeit his rights if there was no scale.

No...if a 2nd rounder wants huge money to sign and the team says no, the team still owns his rights, meaning the player's option is to go play in some other league around the world. If he wants to play NBA ball, he needs to sign with the team that drafted him under a contract that team feels is commensurate with their ability. 

2nd rounders are not on a rookie scale.

[Walker Wiggle]

I agree that this move was curious, even though Yabusele had shown so little. Why not hold onto that $3.1m in salary as a potential expiring deal to use in a trade? It makes me suspect they are working on something. I can't imagine Ainge was just so fed up that he lost his discipline and gave up on a potential useful contract that easily.

[KG Living Legend]

 I love the guy.

 Probably the worst NBA player I've ever seen in my life however.

 The first time I saw him run I ran for the hills. That huge butt and tiny gait. Just awful. On top of that he's about 6'6" shoes off.

[Boris Badenov]

Worth pointing out that the influx of Euros is part and parcel with the lack of a 2nd round scale, as it allows a team to buy out players’ contracts.

There have been numerous instances where a Euro player wasn’t drafted in the first round because the scale wouldn’t pay his buyout, and then went at the top of the second round.

So, there is an economic logic to it. It’s not the best system one could design, but it has a purpose.

[Walker Wiggle]

For those complaining on Ainge's mixed draft record... It is way too easy to complain if you're looking at one team in a vacuum, without the context of what other teams' records are.

To take an example, the Sixers have on their recent draft record:

- Fultz at #1 in 2017 (over Tatum, plus the SAC pick)
- Okafor at #3 in 2015
- Nerlens Noel at #6 in 2013 (gave up Jrue Holiday to get the pick)
- Michael Carter-Williams at #11 in in 2013

How does that look in comparison? The point isn't that the Sixers are dummies. It's that you can do this exercise, or at least some version of it, with every team.

[gpap]

If I wasn't so lazy I'd dig up some of the old Yabu the French Draymond posts.

If I remember correctly CB forum was heavily drinking the Yabu Kool aid and I was flamed for saying I saw nothing but an overweight below the rim undersized big that had no clear NBA skill set.

Beyond that how do you show up to summer league out of shape when your season just ended? You don't care enough when something like that happens.

Lol....Merci Beaucoup

[nickagneta]

For those complaining on Ainge's mixed draft record... It is way too easy to complain if you're looking at one team in a vacuum, without the context of what other teams' records are.

To take an example, the Sixers have on their recent draft record:

- Fultz at #1 in 2017 (over Tatum, plus the SAC pick)
- Okafor at #3 in 2015
- Nerlens Noel at #6 in 2013 (gave up Jrue Holiday to get the pick)
- Michael Carter-Williams at #11 in in 2013

How does that look in comparison? The point isn't that the Sixers are dummies. It's that you can do this exercise, or at least some version of it, with every team.

Also, I would say that someone that was awful at drafting doesn't usually last 15 years with the same team. We can be critical of Ainge but how many GMs that were bad drafters and GMs in general were fired after 5 years or so? If you are a bad drafter, you usually don't get to be a GM for a decade or more in the same city

[TheSundanceKid]

For those complaining on Ainge's mixed draft record... It is way too easy to complain if you're looking at one team in a vacuum, without the context of what other teams' records are.

To take an example, the Sixers have on their recent draft record:

- Fultz at #1 in 2017 (over Tatum, plus the SAC pick)
- Okafor at #3 in 2015
- Nerlens Noel at #6 in 2013 (gave up Jrue Holiday to get the pick)
- Michael Carter-Williams at #11 in in 2013

How does that look in comparison? The point isn't that the Sixers are dummies. It's that you can do this exercise, or at least some version of it, with every team.

Also, I would say that someone that was awful at drafting doesn't usually last 15 years with the same team. We can be critical of Ainge but how many GMs that were bad drafters and GMs in general were fired after 5 years or so? If you are a bad drafter, you usually don't get to be a GM for a decade or more in the same city

Amen. Every GM makes some bad choices and every hidden gem is passed on by multiple well run teams.

On the whole he's done a great job, there are few currently in the game that surpass him.

[vjcsmoke]

I want them to give Tacko Fall a chance.  You just cannot teach his size and surprising athleticism for a big.

[Csfan1984]

https://twitter.com/dangercart/status/1149343418931449856?s=09
Thread from dangercart. Suggests one of two things from the sequencing:

Because we waived Yab before signing Edwards, we won't have the cap space unless we stretch Yab. So either a trade is coming before we sign people or Yab will be stretched to make room for Edwards and maybe another signing.

Interesting

Rookies are cap exempt unless the team plans on going over rookie scale. All things indicated are Edwards wants to hit FA and isn't looking for more years so the C's will end up at the rookie scale only with him.

This is wrong on many levels.

1) 1st round draftees have a cap hold equal to 120% of their rookie scale amount until they sign, at which point their actual salary is in the cap (in practice virtually all 1st round picks sign for 120%.)

2) Edwards is a second round pick.  There is no rookie scale.  This means that in order to sign him, they must do one of the following: a) use cap space, b) use a mid-level exception of some sort, or c) use the minimum-exception.

Presumably the Celtics would prefer to use cap space, because then they can sign Edwards to a deal of up to 4 years, as they have done with many of their second rounders in the past few seasons (Demetrius Jackson, Abdel Nader, Jordan Mickey, and Semi Ojeleye were all signed to four year deals).  These deals were always more than the rookie minimum in year 1, and had varying amounts of guaranteed salary in year 2, which were at the second year minimum for all except Mickey, since the cap spike had far outpaced the minimum salaries by that point.

With all of these signings, the push and pull was between the amount of guaranteed money a player was willing to take in exchange for putting off free agency.  That is presumably at issue here as well.  I think the C’s will need to at least guarantee two full years to get Edwards to signing a deal of at least 3 years

That makes no sense. A rookie could in theory ask for 10 million or not sign if he is a 2nd round pick and doesn't want to play for a team. If the team doesn't sign him they would have to trade him or forfeit his rights if there was no scale.

No...if a 2nd rounder wants huge money to sign and the team says no, the team still owns his rights, meaning the player's option is to go play in some other league around the world. If he wants to play NBA ball, he needs to sign with the team that drafted him under a contract that team feels is commensurate with their ability. 

2nd rounders are not on a rookie scale.

The other posters did confirm my theory if he holds out based on rules he can re-enter draft. But it's only if he doesn't play pro ball that year.


Man the NBA has some strange rules that can really be twisted around.

[action781]

Good riddance. His lack of improvement over the last 3 years has been majorly disappointing.

Yabu is wasting his talent.

Did he ever really have that much talent?  I think everyone was just obsessed with him because they saw a lot of similarities to Draymond who was the NBA's flavor of the month.

I got a feeling Dwight Howard is coming

Before coming across this post, my first thought was "oooooh, room for Tacko!" followed shortly after by "Hmm... would I rather have Tacko or Dwight?"  I am not sure.  I'm higher on Dwight than most and there are some favorable reports coming out about him losing 25 pounds and becoming serious about being a good teammate.  Take that for what its worth though.  I could probably go either way.

[Celtics4ever]

Did he ever really have that much talent?  I think everyone was just obsessed with him because they saw a lot of similarities to Draymond who was the NBA's flavor of the month.

Your aboEdited.  Profanity and masked profanity are against forum rules and may result in discipline.ely right.

[nickagneta]

Did he ever really have that much talent?  I think everyone was just obsessed with him because they saw a lot of similarities to Draymond who was the NBA's flavor of the month.

Your abo****ely right.

This is what happens when you put your "O" in front of your "S" in that word. Lol.

[SparzWizard]

Yabusele is perhaps the worst pick since James Young.