Rozier S&T complete: C's Receive 2nd round pick

[Fafnir]

I guess the point of the S&T was to hope for a triple S&T with Charlotte AND Brooklyn, but once the latter’s asking price was too high, they were out. Boston simply didn’t want to renege (maybe it helped Charlotte?), hence why they are swapping second-rounders.

Charlotte did not have the cap space to sign Rozier. If we don't do a sign and trade they could not have paid him.

[gpap]

I guess the point of the S&T was to hope for a triple S&T with Charlotte AND Brooklyn, but once the latter’s asking price was too high, they were out. Boston simply didn’t want to renege (maybe it helped Charlotte?), hence why they are swapping second-rounders.

Charlotte did not have the cap space to sign Rozier. If we don't do a sign and trade they could not have paid him.

So basically, the sign and trade didn't benefit us in anyway, only Charlotte?

[saltlover]

I guess the point of the S&T was to hope for a triple S&T with Charlotte AND Brooklyn, but once the latter’s asking price was too high, they were out. Boston simply didn’t want to renege (maybe it helped Charlotte?), hence why they are swapping second-rounders.

Charlotte did not have the cap space to sign Rozier. If we don't do a sign and trade they could not have paid him.

So basically, the sign and trade didn't benefit us in anyway, only Charlotte?

No, we will most likely get a pick out of it or improve our draft position.  Which is standard practice — we got a protected pick that never conveyed when we sent Humphries to Washington a few summers ago.

The odds that we finish with the 7th best record, or better, in the NBA AND that Brooklyn finishes ahead of us (so they’re at least the 6th bets team) are quite low.  Brooklyn will be without KD for the year.  It’s really hard to see them finishing with a top-6 record, and it’s even harder to see that occurring in the same world in which we finish with a top-7 record.

We almost certainly got something.  There’s a corner case in which we don’t.

[footey]

Could be the next Carson Edwards with that pick.  Or Draymond Green. 

[nickagneta]

Could be the next Carson Edwards with that pick.  Or Draymond Green.

Or, more likely a ..
Ben Bentil
Kadeem Allen
Demetrius Jackson
Kris Joseph
Marcus Thornton
Luke Harangody
Orien Greene
Justin Reed
Darius Songalia

Or
Kris Klack.

[smokeablount]

I guess the point of the S&T was to hope for a triple S&T with Charlotte AND Brooklyn, but once the latter’s asking price was too high, they were out. Boston simply didn’t want to renege (maybe it helped Charlotte?), hence why they are swapping second-rounders.

Charlotte did not have the cap space to sign Rozier. If we don't do a sign and trade they could not have paid him.

So basically, the sign and trade didn't benefit us in anyway, only Charlotte?

No, we will most likely get a pick out of it or improve our draft position.  Which is standard practice — we got a protected pick that never conveyed when we sent Humphries to Washington a few summers ago.

The odds that we finish with the 7th best record, or better, in the NBA AND that Brooklyn finishes ahead of us (so they’re at least the 6th bets team) are quite low.  Brooklyn will be without KD for the year.  It’s really hard to see them finishing with a top-6 record, and it’s even harder to see that occurring in the same world in which we finish with a top-7 record.

We almost certainly got something.  There’s a corner case in which we don’t.

Agreed. I think the top 8 teams look something like:

LAC
Bucks
Philly
Utah
LAL
Nuggets
Warriors
Houston

With Boston having a chance to sneak in. I don’t see the Celts as likely to finish top 7 and Brooklyn would be lucky to finish top 10.

[smokeablount]

Could be the next Carson Edwards with that pick.  Or Draymond Green.

Or, more likely a ..
Ben Bentil
Kadeem Allen
Demetrius Jackson
Kris Joseph
Marcus Thornton
Luke Harangody
Orien Greene
Justin Reed
Darius Songalia

Or
Kris Klack.

Can we meet in the middle with an Etwaun Moore type?

[nickagneta]

Could be the next Carson Edwards with that pick.  Or Draymond Green.

Or, more likely a ..
Ben Bentil
Kadeem Allen
Demetrius Jackson
Kris Joseph
Marcus Thornton
Luke Harangody
Orien Greene
Justin Reed
Darius Songalia

Or
Kris Klack.

Can we meet in the middle with an Etwaun Moore type?

I am just trying to communicate that these picks really are rather worthless. The most likely scenario with 2nd round picks are they become nothing. You usually have to be extremely lucky or picking in the top 5 of the 2nd round just to find a real NBA player in the 2nd round. Maybe you do that once every 10 years or so.

[wdleehi]

First question, did Boston get a TE?   (somehow I doubt it)


It seems that the team also did a solid for a player they like in helping Rozier get to the team/contract he wanted.  It didn't cost them anything so why not help a player you can't resign at that point anyways?

[Diggles]

This is also a favor for Micheal Jordan/Terry.   It might be a back scratch that we can cash in down the road.   Like keep the pick and take YABU.  LOL   

[saltlover]

First question, did Boston get a TE?   (somehow I doubt it)


It seems that the team also did a solid for a player they like in helping Rozier get to the team/contract he wanted.  It didn't cost them anything so why not help a player you can't resign at that point anyways?

No, they did not get a trade exception because that would have taken up the cap space they needed to use to absorb Walker in the other half of the S&T.

[rondofan1255]

Top 7 record likely would require 48-50 wins, seems unlikely to me

[libermaniac]

Disappointed to find out it is 53 and not 55 protected. I think it is possible we finish in the top 7 in the league with the West teams beating each other up. I guess a pick that late doesn't hold much value regardless, but surprised a deal was made where it is conceivably possible we actually get a worse 2nd round pick than CHA.

I do get the good will part of the deal, though, and would like to see more teams continue to do S&Ts moving forward (and they absolutely have this off-season!). Teams losing All-Star FAs for absolutely nothing is just not a fair practice in the NBA. It's too bad about being hard-capped, but this isn't necessarily common anyway.

Also, just to echo SL - there was no benefit whatsoever to us doing this deal financially. We had enough money for Kemba and Theis. This was 1st done for the possibility of keeping Horford and when that didn't pan out, there was no reason not to let CHA have Rozier.

At that point in the draft, you are more often than not talking about a talent like Tremont Waters.  Won't move the needle either way.

[saltlover]

Disappointed to find out it is 53 and not 55 protected. I think it is possible we finish in the top 7 in the league with the West teams beating each other up. I guess a pick that late doesn't hold much value regardless, but surprised a deal was made where it is conceivably possible we actually get a worse 2nd round pick than CHA.

I do get the good will part of the deal, though, and would like to see more teams continue to do S&Ts moving forward (and they absolutely have this off-season!). Teams losing All-Star FAs for absolutely nothing is just not a fair practice in the NBA. It's too bad about being hard-capped, but this isn't necessarily common anyway.

Also, just to echo SL - there was no benefit whatsoever to us doing this deal financially. We had enough money for Kemba and Theis. This was 1st done for the possibility of keeping Horford and when that didn't pan out, there was no reason not to let CHA have Rozier.

At that point in the draft, you are more often than not talking about a talent like Tremont Waters.  Won't move the needle either way.

I hope I can find this quote when Waters becomes the next Avery Bradley.

[Jamilmac99]

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